Re: [whatwg] [HTML5] Accessibility question

2008-04-01 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Henri Sivonen wrote: I understand your point about superfluity being defined by the presentation (one could argue the same about relevance...). Aural CSS seemed, at one point, like it would make sense for handling such issues. However, since screen readers read the screen media styles, it

Re: [whatwg] [HTML5] Accessibility question

2008-04-01 Thread Nicholas Shanks
On 1 Apr 2008, at 9:00 am, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: Hmm … http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/#hidden seems to be specified as equivalent to visibility: hidden, a property that theoretically shouldn't affect speech rendering but does (accidentally) hide content from screen readers. It doesn't

Re: [whatwg] [HTML5] Accessibility question

2008-04-01 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Nicholas Shanks wrote: On 1 Apr 2008, at 9:00 am, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: Hmm … http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/#hidden seems to be specified as equivalent to visibility: hidden, a property that theoretically shouldn't affect speech rendering but does (accidentally) hide content from

Re: [whatwg] [HTML5] Accessibility question

2008-04-01 Thread Nicholas Shanks
On 1 Apr 2008, at 10:14 am, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: Nicholas Shanks wrote: I know that everyone already knows this, but I think a reminder might be timely: Be careful not to confuse screen readers, who's job it is to read what is displayed on the screen, That's something of a

[whatwg] Semantic markup for buzzwords

2008-04-01 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
This is a proposal for semantic markup in HTML5. Problem statement: Modern web pages, especially those written for marketing purposes, often include so-called buzzwords, or trend-leveraging verbal tokens. Markup for them is needed both to achieve distinct visual rendering and to emphasize

Re: [whatwg] [HTML5] Accessibility question

2008-04-01 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Nicholas Shanks wrote: Then I would call such software a screen reader + braille renderer + hacks around in your OS program doing nasty things program. I don't think a pure screen reader should know anything about CSS or DOM or an application's internals. Well, you could do that, but then

Re: [whatwg] Video

2008-04-01 Thread Elliotte Harold
Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: The current standard for publishing media on the Web, in particular consumer media, is Adobe Flash. This is the case not because of the codecs inside Adobe Flash but because sites such as YouTube enable consumers to publish media without having to worry about license fees

Re: [whatwg] Semantic markup for buzzwords

2008-04-01 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:08:20 +0200, Maciej Stachowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe the current definition of the B element allows for such use: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-b The b element represents a span of text to be stylistically offset from the normal

Re: [whatwg] Semantic markup for buzzwords

2008-04-01 Thread David Gerard
On 01/04/2008, Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:08:20 +0200, Maciej Stachowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just my 2 cents for what they are worth. Also - it is very possible that I don't understand, if so could you expand? Taking into account the very

Re: [whatwg] Video

2008-04-01 Thread Gervase Markham
Robert J Crisler wrote: From my perspective, and for what it's worth, I doubt that the ideals of the W3C as expressed in 3.12.7.1 http://3.12.7.1 would result in a situation that would be superior to simply letting the international standards body for audio and video codecs deal with these

Re: [whatwg] Video

2008-04-01 Thread David Gerard
On 01/04/2008, Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert J Crisler wrote: From my perspective, and for what it's worth, I doubt that the ideals of the W3C as expressed in 3.12.7.1 http://3.12.7.1 would result in a situation that would be superior to simply letting the

Re: [whatwg] Semantic markup for buzzwords

2008-04-01 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Apr 1, 2008, at 2:48 AM, Alexey Feldgendler wrote: This is a proposal for semantic markup in HTML5. Problem statement: Modern web pages, especially those written for marketing purposes, often include so-called buzzwords, or trend-leveraging verbal tokens. Markup for them is needed