Re: [whatwg] Drag and drop - keyboard support

2009-07-16 Thread Aron Spohr
Hi Ian, --- Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote on Thu, 16.7.2009: The drag-and-drop model described in the HTML5 spec is input-device- agnostic. If implementations don't support keyboard drag-and-drop (e.g. copy-and-paste) then you should bring this up with the relevant vendors. I don't think

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on video accessibility

2009-07-16 Thread Philip Jägenstedt
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:58:30 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ian, Great to see the new efforts to move the subtitle/caption/karaoke issues forward! I actually have a contract with Mozilla starting this month to help solve this, so I am more than grateful that you

Re: [whatwg] Make Vorbis a baseline codec for audio

2009-07-16 Thread Arve Bersvendsen
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:23:40 +0200, Nils Dagsson Moskopp nils-dagsson-mosk...@dieweltistgarnichtso.net wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 15.07.2009, 19:16 -0500 schrieb Adam Shannon: It has been tried but Apple will not implement it due to hardware limitations. As if. I somehow recall that a few

Re: [whatwg] Make Vorbis a baseline codec for audio

2009-07-16 Thread Maik Merten
Arve Bersvendsen wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:23:40 +0200, Nils Dagsson Moskopp nils-dagsson-mosk...@dieweltistgarnichtso.net wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 15.07.2009, 19:16 -0500 schrieb Adam Shannon: It has been tried but Apple will not implement it due to hardware limitations. As if. I

Re: [whatwg] Make Vorbis a baseline codec for audio

2009-07-16 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Maik Mertenmaikmer...@googlemail.com wrote: An nice thing is that Rockbox provides CPU-consumption numbers for an interesting set of codecs on various hardware platforms: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CodecPerformanceComparison Apparently Vorbis

Re: [whatwg] Make Vorbis a baseline codec for audio

2009-07-16 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: Note that hardware limitations isn't as simple as can play. For example a portable player device uses 90% CPU to play things certainly work, but possibly for an unacceptable short time before battery runs out. We're

Re: [whatwg] Make Vorbis a baseline codec for audio

2009-07-16 Thread Maik Merten
Jonas Sicking wrote: Note that hardware limitations isn't as simple as can play. For example a portable player device uses 90% CPU to play things certainly work, but possibly for an unacceptable short time before battery runs out. That's correct. Thankfully all mentioned codecs are well

Re: [whatwg] Clickjacking and CSRF

2009-07-16 Thread Charles McCathieNevile
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:48:41 +0200, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Jonas Sickingjo...@sicking.cc wrote: Note that Content Security Policies[1] can be used to deal with clickjacking. So far we've gotten a lot of positive feedback to CSP and are

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on video accessibility

2009-07-16 Thread David Singer
Thanks for the analysis, but two pieces of feedback: 1) Though sub-titles and captions are the most common accessibility issue for audio/video content, they are not the only one. There are people: -- who cannot see, and need audio description of video -- who cannot hear, and prefer sign

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on video accessibility

2009-07-16 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:31 PM, David Singersin...@apple.com wrote: Thanks for the analysis, but two pieces of feedback: 1) Though sub-titles and captions are the most common accessibility issue for audio/video content, they are not the only one.  There are people:  -- who cannot see, and

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on video accessibility

2009-07-16 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Philip Jägenstedtphil...@opera.com wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:58:30 +0200, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: 3. Timed text stored in a separate file, which is then parsed by the user agent and rendered as part of the video automatically by

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on video accessibility

2009-07-16 Thread David Singer
At 23:28 +1000 16/07/09, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: 2) I think the environment can and should help select and configure type-1 resources, where it can. It shouldn't need to be always a manual step by the user interacting with the media player. That is, I don't see why we cannot have the

[whatwg] canvas paths without a current point.

2009-07-16 Thread Dean McNamee
Currently the spec says that if you call lineTo(), quadraticCurveTo(), bezierCurveTo(), etc without a current point (having called moveTo() first), they should do nothing. The compatibility problem we've run into is that since Firefox just calls directly into Cairo, they don't follow this

Re: [whatwg] Nested list

2009-07-16 Thread Keryx Web
On 2009-07-16 09:59, Ryosuke Niwa wrote: I personally like the idea of getting rid of span, div, and all other semantically useless elements but I don't think that's the goal of HTML5. FWIW, div's do have semantic meaning. And what if you really want to style something, but not attach

Re: [whatwg] Make Vorbis a baseline codec for audio

2009-07-16 Thread Keryx Web
Yet another killer app that uses Vorbis: Spotify! 160kbps for the free service. 320 kbps for the premium one. Of course Apple and microsoft, both being hellbent upon using proprietary technologies and taking every single opportunity they have to leverage any monopoly they have attained[1] will

Re: [whatwg] Make Vorbis a baseline codec for audio

2009-07-16 Thread David Gerard
2009/7/16 Keryx Web webmas...@keryx.se: Of course Apple and microsoft, both being hellbent upon using proprietary technologies and taking every single opportunity they have to leverage any monopoly they have attained[1] will object to Vorbis. Now, now. Let's assume good faith. I will assume

Re: [whatwg] Clickjacking and CSRF

2009-07-16 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Aryeh Gregorsimetrical+...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Jonas Sickingjo...@sicking.cc wrote: Note that Content Security Policies[1] can be used to deal with clickjacking. So far we've gotten a lot of positive feedback to CSP and are in

Re: [whatwg] Clickjacking and CSRF

2009-07-16 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Jonas Sickingjo...@sicking.cc wrote: We've actually proposed it to the webapps list, but got little to no response. I'm not sure if we at this time have anyone that would have the resources to offer to be editor for a W3C CSP spec, if any of the WGs there are

Re: [whatwg] Clickjacking and CSRF

2009-07-16 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Aryeh Gregorsimetrical+...@gmail.com wrote: Is there support in the spec for pinging the report-uri on violations, but still allowing the violation to go through?  That could allow much easier deployment, so that you could verify that your policy wasn't

Re: [whatwg] Thoughts on video accessibility

2009-07-16 Thread Silvia Pfeiffer
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:56 PM, David Singersin...@apple.com wrote: At 23:28  +1000 16/07/09, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:   2) I think the environment can and should help select and configure type-1  resources, where it can.  It shouldn't need to be always a manual step by  the user

Re: [whatwg] Vorbis in audio

2009-07-16 Thread Robert O'Callahan
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:26 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: * who supports Vorbis as a baseline codec for audio? Mozilla does, obviously. Rob -- He was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his

Re: [whatwg] nested hashchange events

2009-07-16 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Olli Pettay wrote: Also, what is the reason for if the Document's current document readiness is the string 'complete' requirement? I often click fragment links

Re: [whatwg] [html5] r3316 - [e] (0) A quick introduction to HTML.

2009-07-16 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Smylers wrote: The new quick introduction includes: Attributes are placed inside the start tag, and consist of a name and a value, separated by an = character. The attribute value can be left unquoted if it is a keyword, but generally will be quoted. --

Re: [whatwg] Offline Conformance Checkers

2009-07-16 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Smylers wrote: Conformance checkers must use the information given on the WHATWG Wiki MetaExtensions page to establish if a value not explicitly defined in this specification is allowed or not. -- http://www.whatwg.org/html5#other-metadata-names I think

Re: [whatwg] nested hashchange events

2009-07-16 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Olli Pettay wrote: Also, what is the reason for if the Document's current document readiness is

Re: [whatwg] [html5] r3316 - [e] (0) A quick introduction to HTML.

2009-07-16 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: Done. And then I added some more text for good measure too. :-) The spec currently says The attribute value can be left unquoted if it is a keyword. Otherwise, it has to be quoted using either single or double quotes. But in

Re: [whatwg] Nested list

2009-07-16 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Keryx Webwebmas...@keryx.se wrote: FWIW, div's do have semantic meaning. And what if you really want to style something, but not attach semantic meaning? Or if you want to make your own additional semantics using classes? Keeping span is really a good idea!

Re: [whatwg] [html5] r3316 - [e] (0) A quick introduction to HTML.

2009-07-16 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Aryeh Gregor wrote: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: Done. And then I added some more text for good measure too. :-) The spec currently says The attribute value can be left unquoted if it is a keyword. Otherwise, it has to be quoted using

Re: [whatwg] Grammmar Nit in style Definition

2009-07-16 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009, Smylers wrote: There's a run-on sentence: The LinkStyle interface must also be implemented by this element, the styling processing model defines how. -- http://www.whatwg.org/html5#htmlstyleelement Fixed, thanks. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] Captions, Subtitles and the Video Element

2009-07-16 Thread Jeff Walden
On 15.7.09 17:56, Ian Hickson wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Ian Fette wrote: However, there's a lot of uses for subtitles / captions that cannot be met with subrip. No styling (beyond the bare basics), no karaoke commands, no alpha, no nice handling for collisions, margins, shadow colors,