Re: [whatwg] figureimg* caption

2009-12-02 Thread Hugh Guiney
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote: The @caption proposal isn't for an attribute on p only, but rather for an attribute on any element that is a child of a figure. (It's just that most of the time using a p is most appropriate.) Ah, OK. Well, given the

Re: [whatwg] figureimg* caption

2009-12-02 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Dec 2, 2009, at 12:58 AM, Hugh Guiney wrote: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: It's not just rendering issues - all current browsers produce a broken DOM when you include legend outside of fieldset, ranging from dropping the legend element

Re: [whatwg] figureimg* caption

2009-12-02 Thread Simon Pieters
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:58:32 +0100, Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com wrote: On Dec 1, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Hugh Guiney hugh.gui...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a reason we can't reuse legend (or label)? I don't think giving p an attribute

Re: [whatwg] localStorage feedback

2009-12-02 Thread Ian Hickson
Summary: I haven't removed the storage mutex, but I did adjust when it is released slightly to handle some cases that had been missed before. On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Darin Fisher wrote: On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: the problem here is that localStorage

[whatwg] two minor things in history traversal

2009-12-02 Thread Mike Wilson
6.11.9, step 3.1: To me, this text: If the browsing context is a top-level browsing context (and not an auxiliary browsing context) seems to imply that an auxiliary b-c is not a top-level b-c. This is subjective of course, but it might be a good thing to rephrase the sentence

Re: [whatwg] localStorage feedback

2009-12-02 Thread Jeremy Orlow
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:06 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009, Jeremy Orlow wrote: If we do this, we need to re-visit ways that scripts can tell whether the lock has been dropped. I can't remember which idea was most in favor last time we talked about it, but a

Re: [whatwg] localStorage feedback

2009-12-02 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Jeremy Orlow wrote: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:06 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Tue, 3 Nov 2009, Jeremy Orlow wrote: If we do this, we need to re-visit ways that scripts can tell whether the lock has been dropped. I can't remember which idea was most

[whatwg] Web API for speech recognition and synthesis

2009-12-02 Thread Bjorn Bringert
We've been watching our colleagues build native apps that use speech recognition and speech synthesis, and would like to have JavaScript APIs that let us do the same in web apps. We are thinking about creating a lightweight and implementation-independent API that lets web apps use speech services.

Re: [whatwg] Web API for speech recognition and synthesis

2009-12-02 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:32 AM, Bjorn Bringert bring...@google.com wrote: We've been watching our colleagues build native apps that use speech recognition and speech synthesis, and would like to have JavaScript APIs that let us do the same in web apps. We are thinking about creating a

Re: [whatwg] Web API for speech recognition and synthesis

2009-12-02 Thread Mike Hearn
Is speech support a feature of the web page, or the web browser? On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Bjorn Bringert bring...@google.com wrote: We've been watching our colleagues build native apps that use speech recognition and speech synthesis, and would like to have JavaScript APIs that let us

Re: [whatwg] Web API for speech recognition and synthesis

2009-12-02 Thread Bjorn Bringert
I think that it would be best to extend the browser with a JavaScript speech API intended for use by web apps. That is, only web apps that use the speech API would have speech support. But it should be possible to use such an API to write browser extensions (using Greasemonkey, Chrome extensions

[whatwg] Syntax of void element

2009-12-02 Thread ATSUSHI TAKAYAMA
Hi WHATWG members, This was posted by Akatsuki Kitamura on the W3C Japanese Interest Group Mailing List. The section 9.2.1 of HTML5 spec says; Start tags must have the following format: 1. The first character of a start tag must be a U+003C LESS-THAN SIGN character (). 2. The next few

Re: [whatwg] Web API for speech recognition and synthesis

2009-12-02 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Bjorn Bringert bring...@google.com wrote: I think that it would be best to extend the browser with a JavaScript speech API intended for use by web apps. That is, only web apps that use the speech API would have speech support. But it should be possible to use

Re: [whatwg] Web API for speech recognition and synthesis

2009-12-02 Thread Diogo Resende
I missunderstood too. It would be great to have the ability to access the microphone and record+upload or stream sound to the web server. -- D. On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 10:04 -0800, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Bjorn Bringert bring...@google.com wrote: I think that it

Re: [whatwg] Web API for speech recognition and synthesis

2009-12-02 Thread Bjorn Bringert
I agree that being able to capture and upload audio to a server would be useful for a lot of applications, and it could be used to do speech recognition. However, for a web app developer who just wants to develop an application that uses speech input and/or output, it doesn't seem very convenient,

Re: [whatwg] Web API for speech recognition and synthesis

2009-12-02 Thread João Eiras
On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:32:07 +0100, Bjorn Bringert bring...@google.com wrote: We've been watching our colleagues build native apps that use speech recognition and speech synthesis, and would like to have JavaScript APIs that let us do the same in web apps. We are thinking about creating a

Re: [whatwg] Web API for speech recognition and synthesis

2009-12-02 Thread Diogo Resende
If you're able to read from the mic, you don't need to upload. You could save it locally (for example for voice memos). The read+upload was just 2 steps I sugested instead of direct streaming. Speech recognition could be done separatly. One could use the mic to capture a voice note. Other could

[whatwg] Web Sockets URL

2009-12-02 Thread Alexey Proskuryakov
Currently, the Web Sockets API spec says that the WebSocket.URL attribute must just return a value that was passed to the WebSocket constructor. This doesn't match how many other url accessors work, and consequentially, it doesn't match what currently happens in WebKit. I think it makes

Re: [whatwg] Web API for speech recognition and synthesis

2009-12-02 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Bjorn Bringert bring...@google.com wrote: I agree that being able to capture and upload audio to a server would be useful for a lot of applications, and it could be used to do speech recognition. However, for a web app developer who just wants to develop an

Re: [whatwg] Web API for speech recognition and synthesis

2009-12-02 Thread Dave Burke
We're envisaging a simpler programmatic API that looks familiar to the modern Web developer but one which avoids the legacy of dialog system languages. Dave On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:25 PM, João Eiras jo...@opera.com wrote: On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:32:07 +0100, Bjorn Bringert bring...@google.com

Re: [whatwg] Web API for speech recognition and synthesis

2009-12-02 Thread João Eiras
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:50:20 +0100, Dave Burke davebu...@google.com wrote: We're envisaging a simpler programmatic API that looks familiar to the modern Web developer but one which avoids the legacy of dialog system languages. Ok. I referenced that XHTML+Voice because there is already a

Re: [whatwg] HTML5 video element - default to fallback in cases where UA can't play format

2009-12-02 Thread Kit Grose
On 28/10/2009, at 1:10 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Kit Grose k...@iqmultimedia.com.au wrote: Can I get some sort of an understanding on why this behaviour (non- descript error in supported UAs rather than using the fallback content that can provide alternate

[whatwg] value content attribute of input

2009-12-02 Thread Futomi Hatano
Hi all Could you please see the section in the spec? http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-input-element.html#the-input-element There is a table which includes summarizes which of content attributes, IDL attributes, methods, and events apply to each state. Is the value

Re: [whatwg] Thread to run Web Socket feedback from the protocol ?

2009-12-02 Thread 鵜飼文敏
I've question about thread to run Web Socket feedback from the protocol. If server sends back handshake response and a data frame, and close immediately, fast enough to run JavaScript on browser, how readyState should be? 1) When client recognizes handshake response header, it changes readyState