for now.
I'm willing to reconsider if another browser (that has high market
share in China) successfully starts using the gb18030 encoder for form
submissions for sites that declare gbk (or gb2312) or don't declare an
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the wrong fallback. (These wrong fallbacks are fixed in
Firefox 28. In Firefox 28, no locale falls back to UTF-8.)
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?
It hasn't been an obvious and immediate disaster.
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are hosted under a foreign TLD, because the TLD looks cool (e.g.
.io). However, this is a relatively new phenomenon, so one might hope
that there's less content authored according to legacy practices
involved.
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even after zooming or invoking a print
function
* makes the sheet load with low priority and not defer the load event
if its media query does not match at the time the link element is
inserted into the document but might match later (e.g. if it's a print
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suggestion.
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identifier in the future
if a non-void element with a command-like name is needed in the
future?
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On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013, Henri Sivonen wrote:
I understand that supporting XML alongside HTML is mainly a burden for
browser vendors and I understand that XML currently doesn't get much
love from browser vendors.
Not just browser
that it
would no longer fit into the XML data model *as implemented* and
thereby limit the range of existing software that could be used
outside browsers for working with HTML just because XML in browsers is
no longer in vogue. Please, let's not make that mistake.
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of
command from parsing or serialization.
Could you, please, revert the serializing algorithm to treat command
as void and menuitem as non-void?
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On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
the order between abc and
xyz is reversed in the tree.
Does anyone have any preference for how this is fixed?
Does it need to be fixed? That is, is it breaking real sites?
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is inadequate, because you really don’t want to offer to
unzip EPUB, ODF, OOXML, XPS, InDesign, etc. files.
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some sort of identifier for which the author can tell which chunk
executed.
If the script author needs to manually designate the chunk boundaries,
can’t the script authors insert a call to a function before each
boundary? That is, why is it necessary for the UA to generate events?
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for handling it as part of sniffing layer?
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not a fan of the consequences of the
“feature” of making /p optional. Too bad that feature is ancient and
it’s too late on undo it.)
I guess I’ll focus on objecting to new void elements and especially to
new children of head.
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, it won't have a p element
preceding it anyway.
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tests if the byte string is a valid UTF-8 string. If it is, the
byte string is interpreted as UTF-8 when converting to UTF-16. If the
filename is not a valid UTF-8 string, it is decoded into UTF-16 using
the fallback encoding.
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On Aug 14, 2012 10:54 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Ryosuke Niwa rn...@webkit.org wrote:
Yeah, and that's not compatible with how drag and drop are implemented
on
the Web.
I know. You'll notice that I didn't suggest we somehow change to
there. It means that JSON-LD requires more
consumer complexity than application/microdata+json.
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for the
non-art-directed case.
Ian Hickson wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012, Henri Sivonen wrote:
It seems to me that Media Queries are appropriate for the art-direction
case and factors of the pixel dimensions of the image referred to by
src= are appropriate for the pixel density case.
I'm
algorithm.
Let's not break what we've achieved to cater to aesthetics.
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=, so it's easy to shy away
from using it on imagined efficiency grounds.
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interpret the measurements?
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for photos etc -
maybe even non-existent - and when hand-authoring describing a control
is even easier than coming up with a text equivalent for a graphic.
Yeah. In this case, the problem isn't non-interactive generators but
interactive editors.
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that fires DOMContentLoaded.
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) Rename intent to link
2) Rename intent to meta
3) Make intent have an end tag and make it placed in body rather than head
I prefer solution #1.
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attribute to convey important
information.
Indeed. In addition to image considerations, I think
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#footnotes is bad
advice.
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with the default settings and, therefore, what you suggest
wouldn't fix the problem that the spec is trying to fix.
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be:
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14689
I don't think you need to spec infrastructure to define a high-level
expectation that loads with XSLT errors are supposed to finish as if
they were successful loads rather than aborted loads.
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of the
following code pattern causing doStuff to run once the document has
completely loaded:
if (document.readyState == complete) {
setTimeout(doStuff, 0);
} else {
document.addEventListener(load, doStuff);
}
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On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 2:47 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
On 1/27/12 1:30 AM, Ian Hickson wrote:
On Wed, 5 Oct 2011, Henri Sivonen wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Boris Zbarskybzbar...@mit.edu wrote:
What Firefox does do is block
defines
paragraph in a way that doesn't depend on p.)
Is there any known example of a piece of software that needs to care
about the concept of paragraph and uses the rules given in the spec
for determining what constituted paragraphs?
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compression.)
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as the everything except images have loaded
and the dimensions of all image boxes are known to the CSS formatter
(and PNG and JPEG progression is used 1990s style after the load even
has fired).
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educated people do dpi math right even when an inch is a real
inch an not an abstraction.)
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fonts were hidden from Web content and UTF-7 was made
mail-only.
If OS/2 doesn't need it for system APIs, can we just remove the IBM864
support altogether.
Is the AIX port still relevant? I thought 3.6 was the last version
ported to AIX.
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be bothered to use The Encoding deserve
REPLACEMENT CHARACTERs. Heuristic detection is for unlabeled legacy
content.
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On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote:
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 4:26 AM, Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi wrote:
http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/saved/1039
It says complete in Firefox, loading in Chrome and Opera and
uninitialized in IE
/window-stop.html
Documents aborted by window.location reach complete in Opera:
http://hsivonen.iki.fi/test/moz/readystate/window-location.html
Defer scripts are executed at the wrong time in Firefox:
http://hsivonen.iki.fi/test/moz/readystate/defer-script.html
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On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:10 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2011, Henri Sivonen wrote:
Recently, there was discussion about changing media element state in the
same task that fires the event about the state change so that scripts
that probe the state can make non-racy
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi wrote:
* Is there a way to abort a document load in IE without causing
immediate navigation away from the document? IE doesn't support
window.stop().
Yes. document.execCommand(Stop)
* Does Web compatibility ever require
window.stop() really not abort the parser like the spec
seems to suggest?
* Should reaching complete always involve firing load?
* Should reaching interactive always involve firing DOMContentLoaded?
* Does anyone have test cases for this stuff?
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in some cases.
On IRC (#whatwg) zcorpan pointed out this would break URLs where entities
are used to encode non-ASCII code points in the query component.
Good point. So it's not worthwhile to add magic here. It's better
that authors declare that they are using UTF-8.
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not
worthwhile to spend time trying to get the behavior to change from
what was initially introduced.
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that this thread hasn't
gained a message explaining what Chrome does exactly.
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On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote:
On Friday, March 30, 2012, Henri Sivonen wrote:
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
Jonas is correct. Since there was no interop here I figured we might as
well go with what made sense
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi wrote:
Gratuitously changing features introduced by IE does not help authors
one day have to
...when they have to...
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to the error console when submitting a form using an
encoding that cannot represent all Unicode. Hopefully, after Firefox
12 has been released, this will help Web authors to actually test
their sites with the error console open locate forms that can corrupt
user input.
On Wed, 7 Dec 2011, Henri Sivonen
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:43 AM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jan 2012, Henri Sivonen wrote:
Consider https://bug98654.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=77369
with the popup blocker disabled.
Chrome, Opera and IE open a new window/tab and load the Mozilla front
page
that much?
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be improved by Opera Mini, Safari, Amazon's
browsers and Google's browsers saying Tablet when on tablet. Symbian
is dead, so no hope for its stock browser starting to say Mobi.
The inferences you may want to make from the form factor data may well be wrong.
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good. When
trying to make it better, I discovered that doing what IE did would
have lead to simpler code.
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functions.
If we deem streaming conversion unnecessary, I'd put the methods on
DOMString and ArrayBufferView. It would be terribly sad to let the
schedules of various working groups affect the API design.
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* to tie other side
effects to this negotiation, but it doesn't mean it's sound design or
a good idea.
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faster if the battery is more full?
(For stuff like throttling down animation and XHR polling, the UA
should probably prevent background tabs from draining battery even
when the battery is near full regardless of whether the site/app is
benevolently cooperative.)
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of the image
changing after the page load still apply, though.
But still, engineering for sites varying the number of pixels they
send for photos seems a bit premature when sites haven't yet adopted
SVG for illustrations, diagrams, logos, icons, etc.
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elements that support particular
functionality when node is created instead of having elements that
change their nature substantially depending on attributes, network
fetches, presence of plug-ins, etc., etc.
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On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote:
On 1/17/12 7:49 AM, Henri Sivonen wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Boris Zbarskybzbar...@mit.edu wrote:
Preventing _all_ loads for a document based on
some declarative thing near the start of the document
than
existing browsers? Have designs that don't require changes to table
parsing been explored?
What would be the sane way to document such changes to the HTML parser
behavior?
A change to the HTML spec proper *if* we decide that changes are a good idea.
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as descendants of body is
useful for Microdata and RDFa Lite without having to mint new void
elements.
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the
majority of the web-facing use cases, we should consider adding that.
So what are the Web-facing use cases? As in: What are people trying to
accomplish with client-side transformations?
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that be an idea?
No. The current configuration works for Norwegian users already. For
users from different silos, the ad might break, but ad breakage is
less bad than spreading heuristic detection to more locales.
Here I must disagree: Less bad for whom?
For users performance-wise.
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On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi wrote:
A solution that would border on reasonable would be decoding as
US-ASCII up to the first non-ASCII byte and then deciding between
UTF-8 and the locale-specific legacy encoding by examining the first
non-ASCII byte and up
that Firefox could have gotten away with not
having this behavior.
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. I'd expect Gecko
to have a bug that causes it to remove *two* BOMs but not more than
that.
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and end tag token or a start tag
token.
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into the tokenizer. By eager, I mean that the
operation described above doesn't buffer. I.e. the first case emits an
LF upon seeing a CR without waiting for an LF also to appear in the
input.
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(including fall back to the encoding of the parent frame).
Wouldn't that be an idea?
No. The current configuration works for Norwegian users already. For
users from different silos, the ad might break, but ad breakage is
less bad than spreading heuristic detection to more locales.
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dimensions? Shouldn't
those be changed to be aliases for width and height?
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, but not
flushing out the pending table character tokens list.
The reason why Gecko does what makes sense is that Gecko uses a text
accumulation buffer for non-table cases, too, and any tag token
flushes the buffer. (Not quite optimal for ignored tags, sure.)
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On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Leif Halvard Silli
xn--mlform-...@xn--mlform-iua.no wrote:
Henri Sivonen Tue Dec 6 23:45:11 PST 2011:
These localizations are nevertheless live tests. If we want to move
more firmly in the direction of UTF-8, one could ask users of those
'live tests' about
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Kornel Lesiński kor...@geekhood.net wrote:
On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 15:50:31 -, Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi wrote:
That compatibility mode already exists: It's the default mode--just
like the quirks mode is the default for pages that don't have a
doctype. You
to change
the defaults in ways that'd break locale-siloed Existing Content.
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On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote:
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi wrote:
Regarding your (and 16) remark, considering my personal happiness at
work, I'd prioritize the eradication of UTF-16 as an interchange
encoding much higher
-dependent defaults
(consider HTML in XHR). Both these efforts have faced criticism,
unfortunately.
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a
doctype. You opt out of the quirks mode by saying !DOCTYPE html. You
opt out of the encoding compatibility mode by saying meta
charset=utf-8.
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On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Erik Arvidsson a...@chromium.org wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 07:35, Henri Sivonen hsivo...@iki.fi wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Erik Arvidsson a...@chromium.org wrote:
If the context object is in a detached state, then relax the parsing
rules so
to use a style sheet with rules matching custom attributes to
indicate various situations (e.g., whether the document is a toplevel
browsing context) to set the viewport background.
Why can't non-prefixed attributes be minted for these use cases?
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byte-order) the UTF-16-encoded byte stream into a stream of UTF-16
code units is responsible for treating unpaired surrogates as
conversion errors.
Sorry about not mentioning earlier that the problematic tests are also
problematic in this sense.
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, what should the tokenizer do if the document.write emits half of
a UTF-16 surrogate pair as the last character?
The parser operates on UTF-16 code units, so a lone surrogate is emitted.
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, most of the Web is HTML, so enthusiasm for XHTML-only
features is likely very low these days.
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the user do that if a mouse lock API
is used also? Can a user without a pointing device do that?
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way that ownerDocument.createElement would do it.
I would prefer not to add a new magic mode to the parsing algorithm
that'd differ from what innerHTML requires.
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) is as mainstream as Web app usage gets
(banking).
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.
The current design solves the problem that the datalist feature needs
to Degrade Gracefully (and preferably without having to import a script
library). I think the solution is quite elegant and don't see a need to
drop it.
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features.
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On Tue, 2011-08-02 at 13:55 +, aykut.sen...@bild.de wrote:
I would like to know if these attributes will be part of HTML5 or is
there another valid method to integrate RDFa into HTML5?
Why do you need RDFa?
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what possessed the Google News team to use dc.date.issued
instead of dc.issued or dcterms.issued.
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:
http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/MetaExtensions
It simply hasn't been registered yet. Is there any evidence of consuming
software that does something useful with dc:created?
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. If such content abounds and non-RDF
consumers are forced to support loopiness but extending the JSON
conversion algorithm in ad hoc ways, part of the benefit of microdata
over RDFa (treeness) is destroyed and the benefit of being well-defined
would be destroyed, too, for non-RDF consumption cases.
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that it's quite possible that
Gecko followed the spec and the spec just made stuff up as opposed to
the spec following Gecko.)
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, I
imagine, isn't recommended reading in the sense of recommending that the
Polyglot guide be followed for Web authoring)?
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. The result would not degrade gracefully.
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registrations for HTML(5) purposes.
I believe changing the link to point to
http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values#HTML5_link_type_extensions
would improve the usability of the registration procedure.
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that the same task that fires DOMContentLoaded changes the readyState
to interactive and the same task that fires load changes readyState to
complete?
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? Has evangelism been attempted?
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was unable to find the
citation for this.)
Maybe you were thinking of this:
http://www.bunnyhero.org/2008/05/10/scaring-people-with-fullscreen/.
I'm not sure if that's the exact demo I have seen before, but it uses the same
idea as the demo I've seen before.
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