On Fri, 4 Jun 2010, Smylers wrote:
The HTML5 spec should define how to mark up the main content on a page
(even if the answer is by omission). This is something that many
authors ask about, the latest example being today's thread on the help
mailing list:
But wouldn't we create a situation where the main content tag is misused
and essentially then we'd recreate the situation with body?
IMHO you can't stop tags from being misused, and that goes for any tag.
What I am taking about is that it is upside down to expect honest people to
define
For the record, I don't disagree with any of what you said below.
On Jun 7, 2010, at 5:13 AM, Daniel Persson wrote:
But wouldn't we create a situation where the main content tag is misused and
essentially then we'd recreate the situation with body?
IMHO you can't stop tags from being misused,
The HTML5 spec should define how to mark up the main content on a page
(even if the answer is by omission). This is something that many
authors ask about, the latest example being today's thread on the help
mailing list:
http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/help-whatwg.org/2010-June/000561.html
I am the one posting the question on the help list. To me, the lack of html5
definition of main content, ie body copy in paper publishing, is a big
mistake. Imagine the amount of sites where everything else includes a lot
of unimportant extra, or peripheral, content. Content which is not
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 16:27 +0200, Daniel Persson wrote:
I am the one posting the question on the help list. To me, the lack of
html5 definition of main content, ie body copy in paper publishing, is
a big mistake. Imagine the amount of sites where everything else
includes a lot of unimportant
If i view the html-web as it is now, inside body there are so much
irrelevant content (where else to put it?). In order for body to be the
main content, there has to be tags for everything else. This will be very
hard for authors to implement (I am talking real world, amateur,
do-it-yourself,
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 17:05 +0200, Daniel Persson wrote:
If i view the html-web as it is now, inside body there are so much
irrelevant content (where else to put it?). In order for body to be
the main content, there has to be tags for everything else. This will
be very hard for authors to
Some websites are very crowded. I have no particular example. Blogs and
easily accessible CMS's, people trying to make a buck from excessive
advertising on their site, people cramming a lot of info/screen unit.
Companies too, old media: http://www.aftonbladet.se/ (major Swedish paper,
watch your
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 18:03 +0200, Daniel Persson wrote:
Some websites are very crowded. I have no particular example. Blogs
and easily accessible CMS's, people trying to make a buck from
excessive advertising on their site, people cramming a lot of
info/screen unit. Companies too, old media:
I am not advocating ad-tags. The idea of globally structuring content on the
web is very appealing, it would make it easier for a lot of things and a lot
of people. Let's do it!
...but I can't see it happening where body would be main content + ads +
anything there is not a sensible tag for +
The purpose of all the new tags, is so the machine can figure out what is NOT
main content, and assume everything else is. With proper use of sectioning and
aside as well as header and footers this can be mostly achieved today.
On 4/06/2010, at 5:39 PM, Daniel Persson wrote:
I am not
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Daniel Persson
danielperssondel...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not advocating ad-tags. The idea of globally structuring content on the
web is very appealing, it would make it easier for a lot of things and a lot
of people. Let's do it!
...but I can't see it
But wouldn't we create a situation where the main content tag is misused and
essentially then we'd recreate the situation with body?
Best,
Grant
On Jun 4, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Daniel Persson wrote:
I am not advocating ad-tags. The idea of globally structuring content on the
web is very
On 2010-06-04 18:39, Daniel Persson wrote:
I am not advocating ad-tags. The idea of globally structuring content
on the web is very appealing, it would make it easier for a lot of
things and a lot of people. Let's do it!
...but I can't see it happening where body would be main content +
ads +
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Roger Hågensen resca...@emsai.net wrote:
On 2010-06-04 18:39, Daniel Persson wrote:
I am not advocating ad-tags. The idea of globally structuring content on the
web is very appealing, it would make it easier for a lot of things and a lot
of people. Let's do
On 2010-06-04 22:03, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Roger Hågensenresca...@emsai.net wrote:
...
As you can see the aside is outside the body, all latest browsers seem to
handle this pretty fine.
http://validator.w3.org/ on the other hand gives the error Line 12, Column
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Roger Hågensen resca...@emsai.net wrote:
On 2010-06-04 22:03, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Roger Hågensenresca...@emsai.net
wrote:
...
As you can see the aside is outside the body, all latest browsers seem to
handle this pretty
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 13:28 -0700, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Roger Hågensen resca...@emsai.net wrote:
On 2010-06-04 22:03, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Roger Hågensenresca...@emsai.net
wrote:
...
As you can see the aside is
On 2010-06-04 resca...@emsai.net wrote:
On 2010-06-04 22:03, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
No browser depends on you using thebody element explicitly. It's
perfectly fine to write your document like this:
!doctype html
titleTest/title
style
aside {border:1px solid #bf;white-space:nowrap;}
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. jackalm...@gmail.com wrote:
No browser depends on you using the body element explicitly. It's
perfectly fine to write your document like this:
!doctype html
titleTest/title
style
aside {border:1px solid #bf;white-space:nowrap;}
/style
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 14:47 -0700, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Ashley Sheridan
a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote:
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 13:28 -0700, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
All browsers that you could possibly care about (any FF, Safari,
Chrome, Opera, or IE produced
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