Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-10-13 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, L. David Baron wrote: So why not give 'media-loop-start-time' an initial value (traditionally called 'auto') that makes it use the value from 'media-start-time', rather than forcing the author to specify the same thing twice for the normal case? (And likewise for

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-10-12 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, Robert Brodrecht wrote (in response to Apple's proposal, quoted): If the presentation of timed media by the user agent has been disabled, if the resource has an unsupported type, or if the preparations for its presentation fail either because of a protocol failure or

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-10-12 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, Robert Sayre wrote: My two cents: we should put off events and other API pieces that address editing applications. It is possible to write web versions of things like iMovie and SoundEdit in Flash right now, but I don't think it is realistic to capture that stuff in a

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-10-12 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, Sander Tekelenburg wrote: http://webkit.org/specs/HTML_Timed_Media_Elements.html I'm worried about The controller attribute is a boolean attribute. If the attribute is present, the user agent must display a user interface which allows the user to control the media

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-10-12 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, Dave Raggett wrote: From an accessibility perspective the proposal lacks support for captioning. There should be a mechanism for enabling/disabling captions to avoid disadvantaging people who have difficulties with hearing the audio. It should further be possible to

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-10-12 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, Nicholas Shanks wrote: Volume has the range 0-100 in the DOM interface, but 0.0-1.0 in CSS. These should be consistent (I favour zero to one and allowing percentages). The spec now uses a float and 0.0 .. 1.0. I think that the ERROR state attribute should have a value

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-10-12 Thread Dave Singer
At 0:30 + 13/10/07, Ian Hickson wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, Dave Raggett wrote: From an accessibility perspective the proposal lacks support for captioning. There should be a mechanism for enabling/disabling captions to avoid disadvantaging people who have difficulties with hearing the

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-04-05 Thread ddailey
, David - Original Message - From: Maciej Stachowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vladimir Vukicevic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements On Apr 4, 2007, at 7:31 PM, Vladimir Vukicevic

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-04-05 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Apr 5, 2007, at 4:53 AM, ddailey wrote: I understand that some here have reasons not to be happy with SMIL, but its implementation within SVG really is quite nice and understandable. So far as I can see, the discontent with it stems primarily from the fact SMIL seems to have

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-04-05 Thread ddailey
Okay -- I guess that makes sense. thanks. David - Original Message - From: Maciej Stachowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ddailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Vladimir Vukicevic [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-04-05 Thread Vladimir Vukicevic
Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On Apr 4, 2007, at 7:31 PM, Vladimir Vukicevic wrote: 1. 'media-loop-count' is an awkward name, especially with The default value of 1 means the item will play through once but will not loop. We went through this with APNG, and ended up renaming that member. I

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-04-05 Thread Michael A. Puls II
On 4/5/07, Vladimir Vukicevic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On Apr 4, 2007, at 7:31 PM, Vladimir Vukicevic wrote: 1. 'media-loop-count' is an awkward name, especially with The default value of 1 means the item will play through once but will not loop. We went through

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-04-05 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements On 4/5/07, Vladimir Vukicevic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maciej Stachowiak wrote: On Apr 4, 2007, at 7:31 PM, Vladimir Vukicevic wrote: 1. 'media-loop-count' is an awkward name, especially with The default value

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-04-05 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
, April 05, 2007 8:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Subject: Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements That said, I wonder whether it would be cleaner to put all (or a bunch) of these in a single property with a complicated value syntax rather than splitting it across a whole bunch

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-04-04 Thread Vladimir Vukicevic
Maciej Stachowiak wrote: CSS Timed Media Module proposal - http://webkit.org/specs/ Timed_Media_CSS.html Some feedback on my initial reading.. the CSS properties specified seem like a good set that will cover most common functionality. Some comments about the spec, though: 1.

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-04-04 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Apr 4, 2007, at 7:31 PM, Vladimir Vukicevic wrote: Maciej Stachowiak wrote: CSS Timed Media Module proposal - http://webkit.org/specs/ Timed_Media_CSS.html Some feedback on my initial reading.. the CSS properties specified seem like a good set that will cover most common

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-03-24 Thread Kevin Marks
On 3/21/07, Chris Double [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looping is useful for more presentational uses of video. Start and end time are useful in case you want to package a bunch of small bits of video in one file and just play different segments, similar to the way content authors sometimes have

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-03-22 Thread Martin Atkins
Maciej Stachowiak wrote: I think audio can use almost the exact same APIs for most things as video. This has the nice side benefit that new Audio() can just make an audio element and provide all the relevant useful API. To me, the distinction between the audio element and the Audio object

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-03-22 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Mar 22, 2007, at 2:09 AM, Dave Raggett wrote: From an accessibility perspective the proposal lacks support for captioning. There should be a mechanism for enabling/disabling captions to avoid disadvantaging people who have difficulties with hearing the audio. It should further be

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-03-22 Thread Arve Bersvendsen
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 01:08:26 +0100, Maciej Stachowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - We have included a mechanism for static fallback based on container type and codec, so that it's possible to choose the best video format for a client even if user agent codec support varies. The covered

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-03-22 Thread Gervase Markham
Ian Hickson wrote: Biting off more than we can chew is a common mistake in Web specification development. lynx -dump -nolist http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/ | wc --words 143147 lynx -dump -nolist http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/ | wc --words 40523

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-03-22 Thread Gareth Hay
If 21.3 can be handled - get big_264.mp4 else if 20.9 can be handled - get medium.mp4 else get small.png additionally get small2.png or to put it another way What if I can't do 21.3, but can do 20.9, do I show the 21.3. fallback or not? You show

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-03-22 Thread Nicholas Shanks
On 22 Mar 2007, at 00:08, Maciej Stachowiak proposed: CSS Timed Media Module HTML Timed Media Elements • On volume: The volume property is currently inconsistent in the string names defined: http://webkit.org/specs/Timed_Media_CSS.html#propdef-volume Value: reads silent | soft | medium |

[whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-03-21 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
Hello WHAT Working Group, With the recent discussions about the video element, we've decided to post our own proposal in this area. This proposal is a joint effort from the Safari/WebKit team and some of Apple's top timed media experts, who have experience with QuickTime and other media

Re: [whatwg] Apple Proposal for Timed Media Elements

2007-03-21 Thread Eric Carlson
On Mar 21, 2007, at 7:20 PM, Robert Brodrecht wrote: On Mar 21, 2007, at 5:08 PM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: The DOM attribute currentRate is the rate at which a media element is currently playing. I'm guessing this would be in frames per second? Is it the frames per second it is