Re: [whatwg] Note on 4.8.7 (video) and 4.8.8 (audio)
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, Michael(tm) Smith wrote: Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch, 2009-09-14 06:52 +: The whole point is that this is _not_ fallback content of that nature. That's what the note was saying. Linking to that section would be flat-out wrong. Is there some other way in which I can clarify that the contents of the element are not fallback content as defined by the spec? The note for the video element reads: In particular, this content is not intended to address accessibility concerns. To make video content accessible to the blind, deaf, and those with other physical or cognitive disabilities, authors are expected to provide alternative media streams and/or to embed accessibility aids (such as caption or subtitle tracks) into their media streams. What would then be the recommended way to provide fallback content for a video like the following? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Ara_chloroptera.ogg That's a 6-second video of a Red-and-green Macaw moving along a tree branch, with the only sounds being it making a brief vocalization, and some background sounds. It doesn't seem to lend itself either to fallback content provided by alternative media streams or by embedded captions or subtitles. On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, Jim Jewett wrote: That paragraph sounds like a reasonable alternative -- another argument for the text/html (or text/plain) source as a final alternative. On the other hand, I personally would prefer that sort of caption before deciding whether to watch in the first place, so maybe it could just be handled with an aria-describedby. Or even just having that paragraph before the video, yeah. I don't really see much that could be done to make that video enjoyable to someone who's both blind and deaf. It's similar to Rorschach inkblot tests or Pantone colour swatches -- there's not much point in trying to convey the information any other way, the information is specifically sense-oriented and isn't media-independent. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
Re: [whatwg] Note on 4.8.7 (video) and 4.8.8 (audio)
Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch, 2009-09-14 06:52 +: The whole point is that this is _not_ fallback content of that nature. That's what the note was saying. Linking to that section would be flat-out wrong. Is there some other way in which I can clarify that the contents of the element are not fallback content as defined by the spec? The note for the video element reads: In particular, this content is not intended to address accessibility concerns. To make video content accessible to the blind, deaf, and those with other physical or cognitive disabilities, authors are expected to provide alternative media streams and/or to embed accessibility aids (such as caption or subtitle tracks) into their media streams. What would then be the recommended way to provide fallback content for a video like the following? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Ara_chloroptera.ogg That's a 6-second video of a Red-and-green Macaw moving along a tree branch, with the only sounds being it making a brief vocalization, and some background sounds. It doesn't seem to lend itself either to fallback content provided by alternative media streams or by embedded captions or subtitles. --Mike -- Michael(tm) Smith http://people.w3.org/mike/
[whatwg] Note on 4.8.7 (video) and 4.8.8 (audio)
Michael(tm) Smith wrote: What would then be the recommended way to provide fallback content for a video like the following? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Ara_chloroptera.ogg That's a 6-second video of a Red-and-green Macaw moving along a tree branch, with the only sounds being it making a brief vocalization, and some background sounds. It doesn't seem to lend itself either to fallback content provided by alternative media streams or by embedded captions or subtitles. That paragraph sounds like a reasonable alternative -- another argument for the text/html (or text/plain) source as a final alternative. On the other hand, I personally would prefer that sort of caption before deciding whether to watch in the first place, so maybe it could just be handled with an aria-describedby. -jJ
Re: [whatwg] Note on 4.8.7 (video) and 4.8.8 (audio)
On Sun, 30 Aug 2009, Jeremy Keith wrote: I'm finding the wording of the note on the content between opening and closing audio and video tags to be a tad confusing. It reads: In particular, this content is not fallback content intended to address accessibility concerns. This could be interpreted in one of two ways: 1. This content is not fallback content at all. 2. This content is fallback content but it is not the specific kind of fallback content that is intended to address accessibility concerns. Fixed. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E)\._.,--,'``.fL http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A/, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
Re: [whatwg] Note on 4.8.7 (video) and 4.8.8 (audio)
Hixie wrote: Fixed. Thanks. Much appreciated. Don't forget to update the note for audio as well as video. Also, with the new wording of the note removing the link to the section on fallback content, it might be a good idea to update the opening of the preceding paragraph from: Content may be provided inside the video element. to: Fallback content may be provided inside the video element. ...with the words Fallback content linking to the relevant section: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#fallback-content or http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/embedded-content-0.html#fallback-content Just a thought. -- Jeremy Keith a d a c t i o http://adactio.com/
[whatwg] Note on 4.8.7 (video) and 4.8.8 (audio)
I'm finding the wording of the note on the content between opening and closing audio and video tags to be a tad confusing. It reads: In particular, this content is not fallback content intended to address accessibility concerns. This could be interpreted in one of two ways: 1. This content is not fallback content at all. 2. This content is fallback content but it is not the specific kind of fallback content that is intended to address accessibility concerns. I suspect that the second is the intended meaning. If so, then perhaps the note could be reworded to something along the lines of: This content is fallback content. It is not content intended to address accessibility concerns. -- Jeremy Keith a d a c t i o http://adactio.com/
