Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

2008-06-13 Thread Borek Bernard
:) Regards, Borek - Original Message From: João Eiras [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Borek Bernard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Sent: Thursday, 12 June, 2008 7:17:19 PM Subject: Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab Hi ! I didn't saw that reply. I'm not sure why you keep insisting

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

2008-06-13 Thread João Eiras
PROTECTED] To: Borek Bernard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Sent: Thursday, 12 June, 2008 7:17:19 PM Subject: Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab Hi ! I didn't saw that reply. I'm not sure why you keep insisting that it's up to the browser -- IMO, it's up to the USER. You're

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

2008-06-13 Thread Jorgen Horstink
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Borek Bernard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Sent: Thursday, 12 June, 2008 7:17:19 PM Subject: Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab Hi ! I didn't saw that reply. I'm not sure why you keep insisting that it's up to the browser -- IMO, it's up to the USER. You're

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

2008-06-12 Thread Borek Bernard
: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab As mentioned multiple times, that up to the user agent, or browser if you prefer, to control. Users with browsers with tabbed interface want tabs and that it. Leaving such usability in control of a webpage is bad. All browser that support tabs allow the user to choose

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

2008-06-12 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
.: If you want your answer to go to João only, just send it exclusively to him. -Original Message- From: Borek Bernard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:25 AM To: Joao Eiras; Kristof Zelechovski; Ian Hickson; whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Subject: Re: [whatwg] Proposal

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

2008-06-12 Thread João Eiras
to him. -Original Message- From: Borek Bernard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:25 AM To: Joao Eiras; Kristof Zelechovski; Ian Hickson; whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Subject: Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab Hi João, I'm not sure why you keep insisting that it's

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

2008-06-11 Thread Borek Bernard
, 10 June, 2008 10:29:54 PM Subject: Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab From my brief testing, _tab opens a new window so it should be backwards compatible. It's deceptively close but not quite backwards compatible. _tab will cause the link to open in the frame called _tab and if it doesn't exist

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

2008-06-11 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
Subject: Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab Hi Ian, What do you think about the GReader use case? In my eyes, it makes the _tab scenario quite valid. But, as mentioned by Adrian Sutton, there would be technical problems with older browsers so this proposal has to be scrapped. On the HTML/CSS level

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

2008-06-11 Thread Jens Meiert
In http://forums.whatwg.org/viewtopic.php?t=185 it is proposed that authors should have the ability to suggest that links open in new windows and new tabs. The suggested solution is to introduce a new browsing context keyword _tab. In general, it's best to let users decide where the link

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

2008-06-11 Thread Borek Bernard
:42:41 AM Subject: Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab Once you have support in CSS, you can use DOM+CSS from JS. No particular support within JS is required. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Borek Bernard Sent: Wednesday, June 11

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

2008-06-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008, Jens Meiert wrote: In http://forums.whatwg.org/viewtopic.php?t=185 it is proposed that authors should have the ability to suggest that links open in new windows and new tabs. The suggested solution is to introduce a new browsing context keyword _tab. In

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

2008-06-11 Thread Jens Meiert
What is interesting though is that authors can let open new windows/tabs by HTML, CSS, /and/ scripting. I am not sure if this functionality, that may ultimately impede user experience, can really be considered structural, presentational, /and/ behavioral. I have no idea what you mean or

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

2008-06-11 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008, Jens Meiert wrote: What is interesting though is that authors can let open new windows/tabs by HTML, CSS, /and/ scripting. I am not sure if this functionality, that may ultimately impede user experience, can really be considered structural, presentational,

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

2008-06-11 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
Hickson; whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Subject: Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab Hi Kristof, my knowledge of JS is limited but how would you handle this situation: in your web app, you want to provide a keyboard shortcut for opening current item into a new tab. You need to invoke this action from

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

2008-06-11 Thread João Eiras
Bernard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:27 AM To: Kristof Zelechovski; Ian Hickson; whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Subject: Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab Hi Kristof, my knowledge of JS is limited but how would you handle this situation: in your web app, you want to provide

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

2008-06-11 Thread Kristof Zelechovski
11, 2008 9:16 PM To: Kristof Zelechovski; 'Borek Bernard'; 'Ian Hickson'; whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Subject: Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab As mentioned multiple times, that up to the user agent, or browser if you prefer, to control. Users with browsers with tabbed interface want tabs

[whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

2008-06-10 Thread Simon Pieters
In http://forums.whatwg.org/viewtopic.php?t=185 it is proposed that authors should have the ability to suggest that links open in new windows and new tabs. The suggested solution is to introduce a new browsing context keyword _tab. Use case for opening a new window with specified size:

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

2008-06-10 Thread Jens Meiert
In http://forums.whatwg.org/viewtopic.php?t=185 it is proposed that authors should have the ability to suggest that links open in new windows and new tabs. The suggested solution is to introduce a new browsing context keyword _tab. Wondering: How is CSS 3's Hyperlink Presentation Module [1]

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

2008-06-10 Thread João Eiras
IMO, both _blank and _tab should always open in the same window, under a new tab. Else that would be bad usability. Browsers currently already support this. So, I think it's therefore redundant. Na , Simon Pieters [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: In http://forums.whatwg.org/viewtopic.php?t=185 it

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

2008-06-10 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Simon Pieters wrote: In http://forums.whatwg.org/viewtopic.php?t=185 it is proposed that authors should have the ability to suggest that links open in new windows and new tabs. The suggested solution is to introduce a new browsing context keyword _tab. I don't believe it should be up to the

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

2008-06-10 Thread Borek Bernard
Wondering: How is CSS 3's Hyperlink Presentation Module [1] (and its target-new property) supposed to fit in, /theoretically/ allowing us to drop @target altogether? That looks great (didn't know of that!), that would sort out the HTML/CSS part of game (although implementing target=_tab

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

2008-06-10 Thread Borek Bernard
From my brief testing, _tab opens a new window so it should be backwards compatible. - Original Message From: João Eiras [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Borek Bernard [EMAIL PROTECTED]; whatwg@lists.whatwg.org Sent: Tuesday, 10 June, 2008 6:03:51 PM Subject: Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

2008-06-10 Thread Adrian Sutton
From my brief testing, _tab opens a new window so it should be backwards compatible. It's deceptively close but not quite backwards compatible. _tab will cause the link to open in the frame called _tab and if it doesn't exist it creates it, as a new window. So the first link works perfectly and

Re: [whatwg] Proposal: target=_tab

2008-06-10 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008, Simon Pieters wrote: In http://forums.whatwg.org/viewtopic.php?t=185 it is proposed that authors should have the ability to suggest that links open in new windows and new tabs. The suggested solution is to introduce a new browsing context keyword _tab. Use case for