[whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome Was: Re: MPEG-1 subset proposal for HTML5 video codec

2009-06-01 Thread Chris DiBona
with these licenses Chris DiBona On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:21 AM, jjcogliati-wha...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you for a very informative reply.  Inline comments follow. --- On Sun, 5/31/09, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: From: Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [whatwg] MPEG-1 subset

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome

2009-06-02 Thread Chris DiBona
Looping in Dannyb (who may not be on the list, so if necessary, I'll forward) as I'm in the midst of a conference and can't give this the attention it deserves. Chris On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Håkon Wium Lie howc...@opera.com wrote: Also sprach Chris DiBona:   To be clear, there are two

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome Was: Re: MPEG-1 subset proposal for HTML5 video codec

2009-06-02 Thread Chris DiBona
Looping in Danny (in transit) On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Geoffrey Sneddon foolist...@googlemail.com wrote: On 2 Jun 2009, at 02:58, Chris DiBona wrote: One participant quoted one of the examples from the LGPL 2.1, which says For example, if a patent license would not permit royalty-free

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome Was: Re: MPEG-1 subset proposal for HTML5 video codec

2009-06-03 Thread Chris DiBona
Yeah, this is really pretty difficult stuff. The lgpl is probably the least understood and most complicated free software licenses. Chris On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer silviapfeiff...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Daniel Berlin dan...@google.com wrote: On

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome Was: Re: MPEG-1 subset proposal for HTML5 video codec

2009-06-03 Thread Chris DiBona
I mostly wanted to explain our position on the use of the library and the LGPLs. Danny keeps it all straight for us. Happy hacking, everyone! Chris On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Anne van Kesteren ann...@opera.com wrote: On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:34:08 +0200, Chris DiBona cdib...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome

2009-06-06 Thread Chris DiBona
At this point I feel like we're giving open source advice to teams outside of Google, which is beyond our mission. We're comfortable with our compliance mission and feel it is accurate and correct. Other companies and people need to make their own decisions about compliance. Chris On Sun, Jun 7,

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome

2009-06-06 Thread Chris DiBona
To me, it seems more like Google doesn't really want to take a position in the matter regarding codecs and is taking the weird way out by using ffmpeg. Given Google's dominance in search, which tends to bring people to at least look at Google's products, anything Google does is examined with a

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome

2009-06-07 Thread Chris DiBona
The incredibly sucky outcome is that Chrome ships patent-encumbered open web features, just like Apple. That is reprehensible. Reprehensible? Mozilla (and all the rest) supports those same open web features through its plugin architecture. Why don't you make a stand and shut down compatibility

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome

2009-06-07 Thread Chris DiBona
, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Nils Dagsson Moskoppnils-dagsson-mosk...@dieweltistgarnichtso.net wrote: Am Montag, den 08.06.2009, 09:24 +0900 schrieb Chris DiBona: The incredibly sucky outcome is that Chrome ships patent-encumbered open web features, just like Apple. That is reprehensible. Reprehensible

Re: [whatwg] Google's use of FFmpeg in Chromium and Chrome

2009-06-07 Thread Chris DiBona
, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Robert O'Callahanrob...@ocallahan.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Chris DiBona cdib...@gmail.com wrote: I'm perfectly calm, what people need to realize is that this issue is actually not about submarined patents (more like aircraft carrier patents) or tricky corner

Re: [whatwg] H.264-in-video vs plugin APIs

2009-06-13 Thread Chris DiBona
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Mike Shavermike.sha...@gmail.com wrote: Apologies for the poor threading, I wasn't subscribed when the message here was sent. In http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-June/020237.html Chris DiBona wrote: The incredibly sucky outcome

Re: [whatwg] H.264-in-video vs plugin APIs

2009-06-13 Thread Chris DiBona
We certainly believe so, but I'm certainly not qualified to evaluate the different techniques. Would Theora inherently be any less able to than any other codec system, though?  I hope you're not saying that it has to be H.264 forever, given the spectre of the streaming license changes at the

Re: [whatwg] H.264-in-video vs plugin APIs

2009-06-13 Thread Chris DiBona
Let me ask David Sparks and see where it went, I remember we had it in the inital drops, or thought we did. On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Mike Shavermike.sha...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Chris DiBonacdib...@gmail.com wrote: actually shipping with Theora (also on

Re: [whatwg] H.264-in-video vs plugin APIs

2009-06-13 Thread Chris DiBona
It'll take a little while, I'm travelling a bit this month (brazil , new york, etc..) Chris On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Håkon Wium Liehowc...@opera.com wrote: Also sprach Chris DiBona:   I don't think the bandwidth delta is very much with recent (and   format-compatible) improvements

Re: [whatwg] H.264-in-video vs plugin APIs

2009-06-14 Thread Chris DiBona
Hi greg; I'll pass this on, it's a good post. Have you considered other kinds of video tests as well? (something cell shaded, more movement/action, etc...) as it stands, it's useful, with more examples, it might be more convincing as an argument for Theora. Chris On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 1:15