I agree.
While redirects may be useful in the context of normal wiki pages and help
pages, they are counterproductive otherwise and must not be used. Can we not
permit / disallow redirects per-namespace via Wiki configuration?
Purodha
Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com writes:
Hoi,
I
I am sorry, Gerard, you seem to have fundamentally misunderstood what I
am saying.
To be clearer:
* Noting that a link goes to a redirect is a feature of the *sitelink*
not the item.
* It is no more Wikipedia centric than noting that a link goes to a
featured article in some language, or any
On 15 October 2014 13:22, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
Wikidata is NOT Wikipedia driven so the notion of redirects
Perhaps not, but I have just created Q18289539, about thw BBC's new
'Genome' online database:
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/
I have also created:
James,
I totally agree with Gerard and I totally disagree with you. The fact that
the English Wikipedia does not have an article on hatmaker is not
something that Wikidata should support, and the energy you are wasting with
your talk about redirects could better be spent on making a stub for
We have the relevant information on :en in hatmaking.
Why create a stub? Why require the duplication?
Surely it is for client wikis to decide how they want to treat topics,
either in a big omnibus article, or in a lot of little articles -- that
is a decision for them.
But we should be
There is one big field, where redirects make sense: lists (of
characters) or members of bands
*Rob Bourdon (Q19205) have article in 38 languages. There is also part
of article de:Linkin_Park, which is about him and [[de:Rob Bourdon]]
is redirect.
*Character X from tv series Y is not notable
I don't understand why you can't make an item for each character or each
person in a band. As long as you have a valid reference (IMDb? Book? out of
my league here) you can make an item for anything
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Jan Dudík jan.du...@gmail.com wrote:
There is one big field,
You can make an *item* on Wikidata, no problem.
But if you try to make a corresponding *article* on en-wiki, people will
fold it into a list.
So it would be good for the *item* on Wikidata to point to the
*redirect* that is permitted on en-wiki.
-- James.
On 16/10/2014 12:54, Jane
Yes, biographies are a major example of where this is useful. There
are many cases where, for example,
* Wikipedia has an article covering both a company and the founder(s)
of that company
* A Wikipedia article deals with a parent + child, or siblings, who
worked in the same field
* A Wikipedia
I'll agree that in general though it's good policy to allow linking on
wikidata to redirect links. That way, if in the future someone thinks
hatmaker merits a separate article from hatmaking (although I doubt
it), the link to the wikidata item is already there. Without this
functionality we risk
While I agree with the idea of linking between languages
including links to related topics, I am a bit hesitant to use
Wikidata for it now and in the suggested fashion. Rather let us
try to find a more generalized approach which not only serves
Wikipedias but all parties interested in finding
Redirects are cheap.
On en-wiki the creation of new redirects is positively encouraged.
There is also a category on en-wiki, Redirects with possibilities for
redirects that have the potential to be built into stand-alone articles.
I would have thought the (possibly automated) creation of
Hey :)
Our experience with the team of HPI students working on the entity
suggester was very good so we decided to take on another team of 6
students from there. I'm very happy about that. They'll be working
with us for 6 months. The overall topic they will be working on is
data quality and
Jane
I disagree.
Sitelinks to wikipedia redirects are useful because they help one wikipedia
get useful links to other wikipedias even where the structure of the
wikipedias is different, without having to force the various wikipedias to
follow the same structure.
Your comment that wikipedias
Joe,
That's actually not what I said. What I said was that we should explode all
bundled concepts on Wikipedia into items on Wikidata. I did not say that we
should do anything at all on Wikipedia. I am perfectly capable of keeping
to the point on a Wikidata mailing list, and I believe that the
I do not mind having huge numbers of redirects at all, but you must be aware
that there are wikipedias the powers of which will stubbornly and customarily
delete such redirects when you create them. So that cannot be a solutiion for
all.
Purodha
James Heald j.he...@ucl.ac.uk writes:
You
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Fabrice Florin fflo...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
We also invite you to join tomorrow's live IRC chat about Structured Data:
this Thursday, October 16 at 18:00 (UTC), on #wikimedia-office (3). The
development teams would love to discuss this project with you.
Just
Purodha,
Redirects are cheap - so cheap in fact, that they take up more space when
you delete them, so even if they are misspelled or whatever, they are
mostly left to rot unless they break something (for example when someone
wants to use a redlink like [[redlink]] and someone else makes a
One more reminder: this is in 30 minutes from now.
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Fabrice Florin fflo...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
We also invite you to join tomorrow's live IRC chat about Structured
Data:
On 13/10/2014 13:03, Daniel Kinzler wrote:
Am 13.10.2014 00:17, schrieb Jane Darnell:
I think the place for all data about an image should be Wikidata.
Do you really mean *any* image?
E.g., if we have a scan of an old book with 50 engravings, do you want to make a
wikidata item for each
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
One more reminder: this is in 30 minutes from now.
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Keegan Peterzell
kpeterz...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Fabrice Florin fflo...@wikimedia.org
On 16/10/2014 20:38, Keegan Peterzell wrote:
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Thanks to all who participated, here are the logs:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2014-10-16
There also seems to be a nice
Hi Jane,
I don't think there is any Wikimedia project that actively deletes redirects.
You don't have to believe me. Just check the delete logs. There are tens of
thousands of deleted redirects. Because they were cluttering Allpages lists.
Because they were common spelling mistakes and we do
Hoi,
If there is something like a hatmaker, it can have an item even when there
is no article in the English Wikipedia about it.
When Mr Daniel Havell has no article, it still can have an item. It is up
to any Wikipedia to have an article about him or not.
It does not mean that redirects are a
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