Re: [Wikidata-l] [OSM-talk] [OHM] Should we map former endonyms?

2014-03-20 Thread Andrew Gray
AIUI, currently, Wikidata can add: * language-specific labels (ie alternative names) * language-independent properties (strings or relationships) Properties can have modifiers such as date, labels can't. So there's a bit of a challenge here - we would be able to construct a field that says

Re: [Wikidata-l] [OSM-talk] [OHM] Should we map former endonyms?

2014-03-20 Thread Susanna Ånäs
Andrew: I think this is key to making Wikidata suitable for a historical gazetteer. Andy was referring to changes allowing names/labels with dates. Will there be such? Susanna 2014-03-20 15:24 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Am 20/mar/2014 um 13:51 schrieb Andrew Gray

Re: [Wikidata-l] [OSM-talk] [OHM] Should we map former endonyms?

2014-03-20 Thread Susanna Ånäs
I'm picking up points from this discussion and adding them to a Trello board in https://trello.com/b/uXP9JmSP/wikimaps-gazetteer at https://trello.com/wikimaps. Feel free to participate! Susanna 2014-03-20 15:30 GMT+02:00 Susanna Ånäs susanna.a...@gmail.com: Andrew: I think this is key to

Re: [Wikidata-l] [OSM-talk] [OHM] Should we map former endonyms?

2014-03-20 Thread Andrew Gray
I think the problem is that we sometimes need to reflect more than just the single official name - at the moment we include multilingual names, which is great, and it's a bit of a backwards step to lose that ability for the past. Imagine if you're looking at an English or German map of Russia -

Re: [Wikidata-l] [OSM-talk] [OHM] Should we map former endonyms?

2014-03-20 Thread David Cuenca
Well, that is one part of the problem, which could be addressed in Wikidata with a property official name with the datatype mono- or multi-lingual string (plannedhttps://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Development_plan#Multi-lingual_text_datatype_.28optional.29, but not available yet) plus the

Re: [Wikidata-l] [OSM-talk] [OHM] Should we map former endonyms?

2014-03-20 Thread Joe Filceolaire
Property 'Official name' with datatype 'monolingual text' has already been approved but is waiting for that datatype before it is created. It is designed for the use you described - listing the various official names with qualifiers for language, start date, end date etc. No matter what your

Re: [Wikidata-l] [OSM-talk] [OHM] Should we map former endonyms?

2014-03-20 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 20 March 2014 17:43, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: I think the problem is that we sometimes need to reflect more than just the single official name - at the moment we include multilingual names, which is great, and it's a bit of a backwards step to lose that ability for the

Re: [Wikidata-l] [OSM-talk] [OHM] Should we map former endonyms?

2014-03-20 Thread Andrew Gray
If we have multilingual string datatypes coming, I take it back. Hurrah! :-) (I hadn't realised that was on the roadmap). Andrew. On 20 March 2014 18:19, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: Well, that is one part of the problem, which could be addressed in Wikidata with a property official