Re: [Wikidata-l] Announce: WikiProject Structured Data for Commons

2014-08-20 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 19.08.2014 16:13, Lydia Pintscher wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:19 AM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the stats, Gerard. Two thoughts: - With so many items without description I wonder why we don't have the automatic descriptions gadget enabled by default. I am a bit

Re: [Wikidata-l] Announce: WikiProject Structured Data for Commons

2014-08-19 Thread Luca Martinelli
Ok, I got the point. What you probably need to consider is that focusing on one goal does not mean at all that we have to dismiss all the others. At least, *I* do not think so. You want to focus on research? Fine, do it. I'd like to focus on templates. That's fine too, I guess. We're both

Re: [Wikidata-l] Announce: WikiProject Structured Data for Commons

2014-08-19 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I am not in research. I am into making Wikidata into a reasonable resource. To achieve this I add gazillions of statements and I am happy when people focus on templates. However without the data, templates that make use of Wikidata are niche applications. Without some mature understanding of

Re: [Wikidata-l] Announce: WikiProject Structured Data for Commons

2014-08-19 Thread David Cuenca
Thanks for the stats, Gerard. Two thoughts: - With so many items without description I wonder why we don't have the automatic descriptions gadget enabled by default. - There are many items without statements, but not that many articles without a category -- would it be possible to have a game that

Re: [Wikidata-l] Announce: WikiProject Structured Data for Commons

2014-08-19 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:19 AM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the stats, Gerard. Two thoughts: - With so many items without description I wonder why we don't have the automatic descriptions gadget enabled by default. I am a bit worried about enabling this by default for

Re: [Wikidata-l] Announce: WikiProject Structured Data for Commons

2014-08-19 Thread David Cuenca
It is possible to represent linguistic patterns as items but it needs some work to conceptualize a structure that can be used in several languages. Then you could implement a complex query that selects the one that displays the most information. The biggest hurdle I see is that we are not storing

Re: [Wikidata-l] Announce: WikiProject Structured Data for Commons

2014-08-18 Thread Luca Martinelli
2014-08-17 17:00 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, Importing data from Wikidata (where do you want it??) is just one application. There are so many potential applications for structured data and Wikidata implicitly covers the sum of all knowledge as we know it (in the

Re: [Wikidata-l] Announce: WikiProject Structured Data for Commons

2014-08-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, What is the point of Wiktionary, WIkipedia, Wikispecies et al as a WMF project? Like Wikidata they all help us share in the sum of all knowledge. Wikidata already provides an application in being the vehicle for interlanguage links. The low hanging fruit of Wikidata is not sharing info in

Re: [Wikidata-l] Announce: WikiProject Structured Data for Commons

2014-08-17 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I may be stupid, but for me there is no reason in there that will help us in what we do. For me reasons to wikidatify multi media files are: - bring labels to Commons that are inherently multi lingual - this will enable search in multiple languages - it will make it easy to

Re: [Wikidata-l] Announce: WikiProject Structured Data for Commons

2014-08-17 Thread Luca Martinelli
Actually, this is important - it is just that may be extended also to all projects and not just limited to Commons. One of the main limitations, sometimes, is that people do not know how to actually import data from Wikidata into their templates. A bit of help or, G*d forgive me, some

Re: [Wikidata-l] Announce: WikiProject Structured Data for Commons

2014-08-17 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Importing data from Wikidata (where do you want it??) is just one application. There are so many potential applications for structured data and Wikidata implicitly covers the sum of all knowledge as we know it (in the Wikimedia projects) so there are opportunities galore. For people not to

Re: [Wikidata-l] Announce: WikiProject Structured Data for Commons

2014-08-17 Thread James Heald
Gerard -- It's not just about getting data out of Wikidata, it's also about getting data into Wikidata. Being able to round-trip what you've got already is a minimum requirement for the data model being flexible enough. Once we can do that, we can also think how to make *better* templates,