Re: [WikiEN-l] A modest proposal - a recap of resolution-l

2009-07-29 Thread Charles Matthews
stevertigo wrote: And I am not really forcing the issue - just getting the road cleared is all. Oh, have it your own way, then. It just looked, superficially, as if you were dead set on alienating large numbers of people, spamming lists, creating personal frictions and all that. The thing

Re: [WikiEN-l] A modest proposal - a recap of resolution-l - Enough already

2009-07-29 Thread Risker
Not to engage anyone further in this topic, I would appreciate it if the moderators consider whether this has gone on quite long enough, and some moderation is needed here. I know several people have already switched to nomail for this list. Risker ___

Re: [WikiEN-l] A modest proposal - a recap of resolution-l

2009-07-29 Thread stevertigo
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Charles Matthewscharles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Oh, have it your own way, then. It just looked, superficially, as if you were dead set on alienating large numbers of people, spamming lists, creating personal frictions and all that. I understand that I

Re: [WikiEN-l] A modest proposal - a recap of resolution-l - Enough already

2009-07-29 Thread stevertigo
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Riskerrisker...@gmail.com wrote: Not to engage anyone further in this topic, I would appreciate it if the moderators consider this has gone on quite long enough, and some moderation is needed here. People are commenting, and I am responding. What is your

Re: [WikiEN-l] A modest proposal - a recap of resolution-l

2009-07-29 Thread Charles Matthews
stevertigo wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Charles Matthewscharles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Oh, have it your own way, then. It just looked, superficially, as if you were dead set on alienating large numbers of people, spamming lists, creating personal frictions and all

Re: [WikiEN-l] A modest proposal - a recap of resolution-l

2009-07-29 Thread Samuel Klein
Well, there is something in the original proposal that makes sense to me -- devoting specific attention to long-term facilitation of discussion and resolution of difficult issues. There is something about wiki-time (to borrow a term) that discourages measured discussion over time - if you miss

Re: [WikiEN-l] A modest proposal - a recap of resolution-l

2009-07-29 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Samuel Kleinmeta...@gmail.com wrote: Well, there is something in the original proposal that makes sense to me -- devoting specific attention to long-term facilitation of discussion and resolution of difficult issues.  There is something about wiki-time (to

Re: [WikiEN-l] A modest proposal - a recap of resolution-l

2009-07-29 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Gwern Branwengwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Samuel Kleinmeta...@gmail.com wrote: Well, there is something in the original proposal that makes sense to me -- devoting specific attention to long-term facilitation of discussion and

Re: [WikiEN-l] A modest proposal - a recap of resolution-l

2009-07-29 Thread stevertigo
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Gwern Branwengwe...@gmail.com wrote: Email lists have the attention span of ferrets on crack; if we're looking for long-term discussions, MLs are the worst model we could pick, which is another strike against this proposal. And yet you write to one or more

Re: [WikiEN-l] A modest proposal - a recap of resolution-l

2009-07-29 Thread stevertigo
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Samuel Kleinmeta...@gmail.com wrote: Well, there is something in the original proposal that makes sense to me -- devoting specific attention to long-term facilitation of discussion and resolution of difficult issues.  There is something about wiki-time (to

Re: [WikiEN-l] A modest proposal - a recap of resolution-l

2009-07-29 Thread stevertigo
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:03 AM, stevertigostv...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, its not ideal to separate discussions or to move on-wiki matters to the mailing list... but what is ideal, and what works for wikien-l and others could at least work for us. I should repeat though that the resolution-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] A modest proposal - a recap of resolution-l - Enough already

2009-07-29 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 7/29/2009 7:01:13 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, risker...@gmail.com writes: Not to engage anyone further in this topic, I would appreciate it if the moderators consider whether this has gone on quite long enough, and some moderation is needed here. On the contrary, the guy

Re: [WikiEN-l] A modest proposal - a recap of resolution-l

2009-07-29 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 7/29/2009 7:29:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, stv...@gmail.com writes: But note that none of this spamming would have been necessary back in Jimbo's day - when anything came up he did his best to give straight and insightful answers to almost anyone. What a comic! I

[WikiEN-l] Where does en:wp need most help?

2009-07-29 Thread Bod Notbod
Hi, As I mentioned in passing previously, I'm intending to spend a lot more time working on Wikipedia. I can find lots of ways to spend that time at the community portal. But I have so far been spending most of it patrolling Recent Changes using Huggle. But I'm interested to know if the good

[WikiEN-l] Request for help: Strategic Planning

2009-07-29 Thread Philippe Beaudette
The Wikimedia Foundation has begun a year long phase of strategic planning. During this time of planning, members of the community have the opportunity to propose ideas, ask questions, and help to chart the future of the Foundation. In order to create as centralized an area as possible

Re: [WikiEN-l] A modest proposal - a recap of resolution-l

2009-07-29 Thread Luna
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 6:53 AM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Lunalunasan...@gmail.com wrote: It's almost as if the vast bulk of discussion takes place on the wiki, or something. So, anyway, no. High level dispute resolution deliberations don't seem

Re: [WikiEN-l] Request for help: Strategic Planning

2009-07-29 Thread wjhonson
This main page of strategy.wikimedia.org is merely a icon-listing of all the projects. There is no obvious link to drill down into the strategy wiki itself. No links except to other projects. And the main page can't be edited. -Original Message- From: Philippe Beaudette

Re: [WikiEN-l] Request for help: Strategic Planning

2009-07-29 Thread wjhonson
Yes http://strategy.wikimedia.org should point with an obvious link to http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Will -Original Message- From: Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:27 pm Subject: Re:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rorschach wars continue

2009-07-29 Thread Ken Arromdee
It's too bad that the people saying that publishing the inkblots is harmful are professionals instead of New York Times editors. If it was the New York Times, they would have been unceremoniously deleted without even a WP:OFFICE. ___ WikiEN-l mailing

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rorschach wars continue

2009-07-29 Thread geni
2009/7/29 Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net: It's too bad that the people saying that publishing the inkblots is harmful are professionals instead of New York Times editors. If it was the New York Times, they would have been unceremoniously deleted without even a WP:OFFICE. Not really. In this

Re: [WikiEN-l] Request for help: Strategic Planning

2009-07-29 Thread Casey Brown
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:25 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: This main page of strategy.wikimedia.org is merely a icon-listing of all the projects. There is no obvious link to drill down into the strategy wiki itself.  No links except to other projects. And the main page can't be edited. Sorry,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Request for help: Strategic Planning

2009-07-29 Thread Philippe Beaudette
I think the issue was server based. It's been hiccuping some today and forwarding us to the wikimediafoundation.org site... I bet he got caught in one of those. Philippe On Jul 29, 2009, at 5:08 PM, Casey Brown wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:25 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: This main page

Re: [WikiEN-l] Request for help: Strategic Planning

2009-07-29 Thread Brian
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:25 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: This main page of strategy.wikimedia.org is merely a icon-listing of all the projects. There is no obvious link to drill down into the strategy wiki itself.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Request for help: Strategic Planning

2009-07-29 Thread wjhonson
The top level page is a listing of all the other projects, Wikipedia, Wikisource, etc. Strategy not being one of those listed. Sorry, but what do you mean by drill down? To me, the Main Page seems to give a great deal of links (and explanations of what those pages are). Was there something

Re: [WikiEN-l] Request for help: Strategic Planning

2009-07-29 Thread wjhonson
Okay makes sense now. Now it redirects me, before it wasn't. -Original Message- From: Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:10 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Request for help: Strategic Planning On Wed, Jul 29,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rorschach wars continue

2009-07-29 Thread Ray Saintonge
Ken Arromdee wrote: It's too bad that the people saying that publishing the inkblots is harmful are professionals instead of New York Times editors. If it was the New York Times, they would have been unceremoniously deleted without even a WP:OFFICE. Does this dispute put us in league

Re: [WikiEN-l] Request for help: Strategic Planning

2009-07-29 Thread Philippe Beaudette
wjhonson, it's really not, despite the way it's acting for you. For whatever reason, a small number of people are being forwarded to the wrong site, and the servers are confused. I'm sorry you got caught in it. That link really leads to the main page. Philippe On Jul 29, 2009, at 5:14

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rorschach wars continue

2009-07-29 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, geni wrote: It's too bad that the people saying that publishing the inkblots is harmful are professionals instead of New York Times editors. If it was the New York Times, they would have been unceremoniously deleted without even a WP:OFFICE. Not really. In this case

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rorschach wars continue

2009-07-29 Thread wjhonson
Does this dispute put us in league with the Scientologists? Please report to Re-education Camp #41 -Original Message- From: Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:16 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Rorschach wars

Re: [WikiEN-l] Request for help: Strategic Planning

2009-07-29 Thread Casey Brown
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Brianbrian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: Apparantly there is still dome dns propagation occuring. What I see at strategy.wikimedia.org is not what I saw when I received the first e-mail. I saw what whjohnson saw - a portal. Now it resolves to the wiki. Ah okay.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rorschach wars continue

2009-07-29 Thread geni
2009/7/29 Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net: On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, geni wrote: It's too bad that the people saying that publishing the inkblots is harmful are professionals instead of New York Times editors. If it was the New York Times, they would have been unceremoniously deleted without

Re: [WikiEN-l] A modest proposal - a recap of resolution-l

2009-07-29 Thread Samuel Klein
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Ironically, wikis are so far the online medium which have done best at long-term conversations: I routinely see talk page conversations where the gaps between one message and another may be a year or three. This is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Request for help: Strategic Planning

2009-07-29 Thread Samuel Klein
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Philippe Beaudettepbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: Please, take the time to join in this exciting process.  The importance of your participation can not be overstated. This still makes it sound as though community participation is optional, and is input into

Re: [WikiEN-l] Request for help: Strategic Planning

2009-07-29 Thread Philippe Beaudette
What he said. :) I'm changing my invite message. Your way is better. Philippe On Jul 29, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Samuel Klein wrote: Planning for the future is determined by your input. Come discuss future directions for the Projects, how the Foundation can facilitate the work of the Projects,

Re: [WikiEN-l] A modest proposal - a recap of resolution-l

2009-07-29 Thread Carcharoth
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Samuel Kleinmeta...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Ironically, wikis are so far the online medium which have done best at long-term conversations: I routinely see talk page conversations where

[WikiEN-l] Where does en:wp need most help?

2009-07-29 Thread Bod Notbod
Hi again, But I'm  interested to know if the good people of this list are aware of specific  tasks/duties on en:wp that are woefully understaffed at the moment. Things  that really need doing. Y-E-S spells YES and you are now it. Articles with Unsourced Claims I did what I thought was the