Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Wired: Wikipedia to Color Code Untrustworthy Text

2009-08-31 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/8/31 Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org: On 8/31/09 7:35 AM, Michael Peel wrote: We've been planning to get a test setup together since conversations at the Berlin developer meetup in April, but actual implementation of it is pending coordination with Luca and his team. My understanding

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Wired: Wikipedia to Color Code Untrustworthy Text

2009-08-31 Thread FT2
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: - it allows us to create blamemaps for history pages, so that you can quickly see who added a specific piece of text. This is very interesting for anyone who's ever tried to navigate a long version history to find out who

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wired: Wikipedia to Color Code Untrustworthy Text

2009-08-31 Thread Emily Monroe
Or if everybody knows how to game then the gaming advantage vanishes. Perhaps. Emily On Aug 30, 2009, at 9:06 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Or if everybody knows how to game then the gaming advantage vanishes. Full disclosure can also level the field.

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Wired: Wikipedia to Color Code Untrustworthy Text

2009-08-31 Thread Jim Redmond
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 12:33, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: A simple version of that is already implemented. Go to http://wikitrust.soe.ucsc.edu/index.php/Main_Page and click the check text tab to see it, hover over a piece of text, and click it. The hover shows the username, and

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Wired: Wikipedia to Color Code Untrustworthy Text

2009-08-31 Thread FT2
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: 2009/8/31 FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com: Yes. Incredibly useful. What I'd like would be when colors are shown, if you hover over some text it pops up a hover of the user who wrote it and when it was written (the revision).

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Wired: Wikipedia to Color Code Untrustworthy Text

2009-08-31 Thread David Goodman
I am a little concerned that we are adopting a metric into our interface without adequate testing. Quality or trust in an article is not a simple numerical matter, much less a rough scale of a few categories. it will take a lot of experimentation with it until the rest of us can decide if its

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wired: Wikipedia to Color Code Untrustworthy Text

2009-08-31 Thread Emily Monroe
Is it not more likely that most long-term editors who have been active for years have had most of their text mercilessly edited into oblivion and have very low average trust levels? Sometimes. However, on new page patrol, I'll sometimes completely rewrite a page, both for practice and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wired: Wikipedia to Color Code Untrustworthy Text

2009-08-31 Thread Emily Monroe
Yes, competition is a good motivator, but that is only useful if it is motivating people to do something desirable. We don't actually want people to try and avoid being reverted - WP:BOLD is still widely accepted as a good guideline, isn't it? Well, that's what I'm worried about,

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Wired: Wikipedia to Color Code Untrustworthy Text

2009-08-31 Thread Emily Monroe
- it allows us to create blamemaps for history pages, so that you can quickly see who added a specific piece of text. This is very interesting for anyone who's ever tried to navigate a long version history to find out who added something. I have to admit, I'd find this incredibly useful

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Wired: Wikipedia to Color Code Untrustworthy Text

2009-08-31 Thread FT2
True. The moment you give people a tool, many people will simplistically assume what it does or rely unthinkingly on it. - WikiTrust might be described as a way to see how long an edit endured and how much trust it seems to have; in most users' hands it'll be its colored red/blue so its

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Wired: Wikipedia to Color Code Untrustworthy...

2009-08-31 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 8/31/2009 11:47:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ft2.w...@gmail.com writes: - WikiTrust might be described as a way to see how long an edit endured and how much trust it seems to have; in most users' hands it'll be its colored red/blue so its right/wrong. -

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Wired: Wikipedia to Color Code Untrustworthy Text

2009-08-31 Thread David Gerard
2009/8/31 David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com: I am a little concerned that we are adopting a metric into our interface without adequate testing. It appears we're not and Wired completely jumped the gun. There is no timeframe for release of this thing even as an optional extra. - d.

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Wired: Wikipedia to Color Code Untrustworthy Text

2009-08-31 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:46 PM, FT2ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: snip If it is introduced, then I would suggest introducing it as a gadget for admins and experienced users, a limited number at first. Communally, it shouldn't be available to all, but to those who request it and seem to

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Wired: Wikipedia to Color Code Untrustworthy Text

2009-08-31 Thread Amory Meltzer
Not saying I disagree with you, but with that in mind and looking at the test example, I'd say that the more useful concept isn't the ability to rate editors - which I could do without, it's a little too anti-AGF imho - but its usefulness as a metric of how many people have edited a particular

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Wired: Wikipedia to Color Code Untrustworthy Text

2009-08-31 Thread Ian Woollard
On 31/08/2009, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: The trust coloring is clearly the most controversial part of the technology. However, it's also integral to it, and we think it could be valuable. If we do integrate it, it would likely be initially as a user preference. (And of course no

Re: [WikiEN-l] British-American dictionary

2009-08-31 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:55 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Here's one http://www.travelfurther.net/dictionaries/ba-tz.htm It's so interesting, as an australian, seeing which of each of those pairs looks normal to me. Eg, Garden (not yard), Gas or Natural Gas both seem ok to me, Pickle (US) not