Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay

2009-09-16 Thread John Vandenberg
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote: The vendor violates moral rights on all the items it offers for sale. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_rights_%28copyright_law%29 If you have not created a creative work, you are not the author and do not have

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newyorkbrad's speech at Wikiconference New York

2009-09-16 Thread Charles Matthews
stevertigo wrote: Saw it. Liked most of it. Diffuse, weaker on facts than theory? So Wikipedia Review gets credited with the idea of attack page, or something. Oddly, I think we knew all that anyway, or at least the rudiments of the debate, pre-BLP qua policy. But that could be one for

Re: [WikiEN-l] Well-known

2009-09-16 Thread Charles Matthews
Steve Bennett wrote: I don't think I'd write most known, but I wouldn't be rushing to correct it either. I guess I'd see it as an example of poor quality writing rather than an error as such. Time to bid this thread goodbye. But even best known is scarcely verifiable, so all this can be

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay

2009-09-16 Thread Durova
A strawman argument occurs when a response attempts to redefine a statement into something it isn't--something simpleminded and easier to rebut--and then pokes at the holes it created. Note the actual statement: The vendor violates moral rights on all the items it offers for sale. And the

[WikiEN-l] reCAPTCHA

2009-09-16 Thread Judson Dunn
Just FYI, I know people had talked about this before in the context of using reCAPTCHA on wikipedia. The consensus, if I remember correctly, was that while it was open source, they required you to use their servers which would be an unacceptable point of failure. Anyway, google acquired them

Re: [WikiEN-l] Botspam joe job

2009-09-16 Thread Risker
Hi Greg - You're barking up the wrong tree here: none of us as individuals are involved in moderating wiki-en-L. The moderators are found here: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l#Admins As a general suggestion, you may find you have more success in having your posts accepted

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newyorkbrad's speech at Wikiconference New York

2009-09-16 Thread stevertigo
Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Diffuse, weaker on facts than theory? Hm. People strong on facts, are typically weak on the theory, and vice versa (and so on). Also, let's not forget, the point of BLP was to give the OFFICE a reason to continue existing. (That, and of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay

2009-09-16 Thread John Vandenberg
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote: A strawman argument occurs when a response attempts to redefine a statement into something it isn't--something simpleminded and easier to rebut--and then pokes at the holes it created. Note the actual statement: The

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay

2009-09-16 Thread Durova
Have you identified any items for sale which are from Wikimedia projects and not clearly marked as being in the public domain? Part of the reason for notifying the list was to alert other Wikimedians to that possibility. Luckily the ebay items have sufficient metadata that we should be

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newyorkbrad's speech at Wikiconference New York

2009-09-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:51 AM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: Also, let's not forget, the point of BLP was to give the OFFICE a reason to continue existing. Wtf? This sounds like a bold, nasty claim, but perhaps I'm not understanding what you're implying. What are you trying to say,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay

2009-09-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote: and no share of authorship.  If *Time* were to plagiarize a text editor the matter certainly would be taken seriously. Do you think? Based on past experience, the reaction is usually to laugh at the offending party for a)

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay

2009-09-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote: Restored: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stroop_Report_-_Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising_06b.jpg Also, I'm confused. There is absolutely nothing at that page which would indicate to me that I wasn't entitled to do what that

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay

2009-09-16 Thread Rich Holton
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote: Several months ago I wrote to this list after discovering that my restoration of US Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis was being used uncredited by *Time* magazine. To date, no one has joined my letter writing

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay

2009-09-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Rich Holton richhol...@gmail.com wrote: I'd say that Time magazine and the eBay culprit(s) *should* have given Durova credit for the restoration. But the should I'm using has to do with common decency--something that is becoming rather uncommon. As that page

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay

2009-09-16 Thread Rich Holton
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Rich Holton richhol...@gmail.com wrote: I'd say that Time magazine and the eBay culprit(s) *should* have given Durova credit for the restoration. But the should I'm using has to do