Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Create an article as a newbie challenge now paused

2009-11-17 Thread stevertigo
Ryan Delaney ryan.dela...@gmail.com wrote: I think that's a noble goal, and the idea behind this project seems like a good one. Incidentally, I'm probably in the running for most rabid inclusionist here. Correcting systematic wrongs is, I agree, good. I think we all ought to be able to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Featured churn

2009-11-17 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:59 AM, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/07/2009, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Ian Woollardian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: It's looking to me like 3.5 million is about the plateau, since the curve is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Downtime this morning

2009-11-17 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: stevertigo wrote: Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: nagios? ganglia? 4-CPU apache? scap? swap? memcached node? eyes glazing over Is it fixed now? Oh, good. :-) Off the top of my head... Nagios is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Featured churn

2009-11-17 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:59 AM, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/07/2009, Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Ian Woollardian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Featured churn

2009-11-17 Thread Bod Notbod
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: As long as history doesn't come to an end, and new people keep getting born and (annoyingly) becoming notable enough for a Wikipedia article, there will always be a need for new articles. Not to mention people's

Re: [WikiEN-l] Featured churn

2009-11-17 Thread Charles Matthews
Bod Notbod wrote: On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: As long as history doesn't come to an end, and new people keep getting born and (annoyingly) becoming notable enough for a Wikipedia article, there will always be a need for new articles.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Featured churn

2009-11-17 Thread geni
2009/11/17 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com: Bod Notbod wrote: On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: As long as history doesn't come to an end, and new people keep getting born and (annoyingly) becoming notable enough for a Wikipedia

Re: [WikiEN-l] Featured churn

2009-11-17 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:08 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: snip http://www.floatingsheep.org/2009/11/mapping-wikipedia.html That is fascinating. Thanks for posting that link. Gives us some idea where the gaps are but not to the extent you might think (there are simply fewer citable

Re: [WikiEN-l] Featured churn

2009-11-17 Thread Ian Woollard
On 17/11/2009, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: As long as history doesn't come to an end, and new people keep getting born and (annoyingly) becoming notable enough for a Wikipedia article, there will always be a need for new articles. Maybe, but I don't know how many. That level

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Downtime this morning

2009-11-17 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: And to be honest, if I had Googled myself some understanding of this, I may have ended up even more confused about it. If I had asked questions like this on the wikitech-l mailing list, would I have been told to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Downtime this morning

2009-11-17 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: snip As you can see, this doesn't really contain any info useful to anyone but server admins.  Which is why it was originally posted to wikitech-l, not wikien-l. True, but thanks for explaining anyway. Much

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Downtime this morning

2009-11-17 Thread Charles Matthews
Carcharoth wrote: On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: snip As you can see, this doesn't really contain any info useful to anyone but server admins. Which is why it was originally posted to wikitech-l, not wikien-l. True, but

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Downtime this morning

2009-11-17 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: snip The most important thing is to decide what we are going to cross-post to wikitech-l to induce equal bafflement. Something involving 57 different flavours of idiosyncratic interpretation of IAR, and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Downtime this morning

2009-11-17 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: The most important thing is to decide what we are going to cross-post to wikitech-l to induce equal bafflement. Something involving 57 different flavours of idiosyncratic interpretation of IAR, and who

[WikiEN-l] The Internet? Bah!

2009-11-17 Thread stevertigo
http://www.newsweek.com/id/106554 Linked and digged from a current article. Quite chuckleworthy. -S ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Internet? Bah!

2009-11-17 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:07 PM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.newsweek.com/id/106554 Linked and digged from a current article. Quite chuckleworthy. -S ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Downtime this morning

2009-11-17 Thread geni
2009/11/17 Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com: As you can see, this doesn't really contain any info useful to anyone but server admins. Which is why it was originally posted to wikitech-l, not wikien-l. If of some interest though. http://ganglia.wikimedia.org/ is also of general

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Downtime this morning

2009-11-17 Thread stevertigo
Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: Actually neither of them are caching managers or have any direct role in caching. OK. Various monitoring tools is sort of sufficient. Stevertigo wrote: Caching basically just means keeping wiki pages in RAM so that things get fetched quickly -

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Downtime this morning

2009-11-17 Thread stevertigo
Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: The original message was not cross-posted.  Andrew posted it on wikitech-l only. Well if a 17 minute site crash is no big deal as Tim said.. Then a little casual informative crossposting ain't worth frettin over, eh? -Stevertigo You're

[WikiEN-l] NASA scientist tells conspiracy theorists to go to Wikipedia

2009-11-17 Thread David Gerard
http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/intro/nibiru-and-doomsday-2012-questions-and-answers I was struck by the repeated suggestions to look this stuff up on Wikipedia. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To

[WikiEN-l] Ad-free forever?

2009-11-17 Thread Magnus Manske
I'm not here to discuss the wording of the fundraising slogans yet again, but this one screams legal trouble: Wikipedia. Ad-free forever. [Progress bar] [Donate now button] I'd interpret this as if we reach $7.5M, Wikipedia will be ad-free forever. I really wish that'd be the case, but if not,

[WikiEN-l] In the news: how Ratzinger got his Internet on

2009-11-17 Thread Gwern Branwen
http://www.examiner.com/x-9052-Orlando-Roman-Catholic-Examiner~y2009m11d13-The-Vatican-in-cyber-social-networking The Vatican's official Facebook application -Pope2You- which allows users to receive the latest messages and photos of Pope Benedict VXI, as well as to send virtual postcards to

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Internet? Bah!

2009-11-17 Thread David Gerard
2009/11/17 Nathan nawr...@gmail.com: On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:07 PM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.newsweek.com/id/106554 Linked and digged from a current article. Quite chuckleworthy. Now that it is what it is, any idiot can look back and say it was obvious what would

Re: [WikiEN-l] Featured churn

2009-11-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: The closest I've come to writing about things in other countries is here: Aww, I'm a *much* better person than you: New Zealand: Broken River, New Zealand, Craigieburn Valley, Fox Peak, Invincible Snowfields, Mount

[WikiEN-l] Featured churn

2009-11-17 Thread Apoc 2400
Indeed. Looking at this: http://www.floatingsheep.org/2009/11/mapping-wikipedia.html This is a similar mapping: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Imageworld-artphp3.png I think there is a huge number of notable topics that we have not yet covered. Sure, there may be fewer sources about

Re: [WikiEN-l] Featured churn

2009-11-17 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Apoc 2400 apoc2...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed. Looking at this: http://www.floatingsheep.org/2009/11/mapping-wikipedia.html This is a similar mapping: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Imageworld-artphp3.png I think there is a huge number of notable

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Internet? Bah!

2009-11-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 5:07 AM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.newsweek.com/id/106554 Linked and digged from a current article. Quite chuckleworthy. So cool! The truth in no online database will replace your daily newspaper, reddit.com pretty much did for me. no CD-ROM can

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Internet? Bah!

2009-11-17 Thread Ian Woollard
On 17/11/2009, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: And at least Clifford Stoll actually knew what the heck he was talking about, unlike most media pontificators at the time. I can't remember whether I read this when it came out- if I did, and I think I did, I quickly dismissed it; it was

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Internet? Bah!

2009-11-17 Thread stevertigo
Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Now that it is what it is, any idiot can look back and say it was obvious what would happen. Far more people got it wrong 15-20 years ago, and I guess its good for a chuckle (especially since this particular writer was so condescending) - but hindsight is as

[WikiEN-l] Office hours next Thursday, November 19

2009-11-17 Thread Cary Bass
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello all! Next Thursday's office hours will feature Véronique Kessler, the Foundation's Chief Financial Officer. If you don't know Naoko, you can get to know her at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/V%C3%A9ronique_Kessler. Office hours on

Re: [WikiEN-l] Office hours next Thursday, November 19

2009-11-17 Thread Cary Bass
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cary Bass wrote: Hello all! Next Thursday's office hours will feature Véronique Kessler, the Foundation's Chief Financial Officer. If you don't know Naoko, you can get to know her at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/V%C3%A9ronique_Kessler.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Featured churn

2009-11-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Apoc 2400 apoc2...@gmail.com wrote: I think there is a huge number of notable topics that we have not yet covered. Sure, there may be fewer sources about central Africa, but what about China and South America? The areas most Wikipedians care about are well

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ad-free forever?

2009-11-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm not here to discuss the wording of the fundraising slogans yet again, but this one screams legal trouble: Wikipedia. Ad-free forever. [Progress bar] [Donate now button] I'd interpret this as if we reach