Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

2010-01-27 Thread Charles Matthews
Sarah Ewart wrote: On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:46 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.comwrote: Where was Robert Corell's article previously? Perhaps my search was inadequate but I didn't find it looking quickly... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Corell As of 28

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

2010-01-27 Thread Sarah Ewart
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Sarah Ewart wrote: On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:46 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.comwrote: Where was Robert Corell's article previously? Perhaps my search was inadequate but I didn't

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

2010-01-27 Thread Charles Matthews
Gwern Branwen wrote: It is easier to attack than defend. If you want to justify high standards and removal, there are easy arguments: 'what if this could be another Seigenthaler?' 'what if this is fancruft Wikipedia will be criticized for including?' If you want to defend, you have... what?

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

2010-01-27 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Sarah Ewart sarahew...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:46 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.comwrote: Where was Robert Corell's article previously?  Perhaps my search was inadequate but I didn't find it looking quickly...

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

2010-01-27 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: And no-one has yet created a redirect? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Corell PS. I forgot. Bob Corell gets a lot of hits as well, and should be a redirect also. Carcharoth

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

2010-01-27 Thread Charles Matthews
Carcharoth wrote: But this feeds into my point about whether such articles should be brought to a minimum standard, instead of roughly referenced along with a lot of others ones being worked on at the same time, and then the people doing this rough-and-ready referencing moving on to other

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

2010-01-27 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Carcharoth wrote:  But this feeds into my point about whether such articles should be brought to a minimum standard, instead of roughly referenced along with a lot of others ones being worked on at the

[WikiEN-l] Range Contribs tool; anti-vandal software; anon IPs' User-Agents; the netblocks that vandalize the most; etc.

2010-01-27 Thread Unforgettableid
Hi all, I was curious about a vandalistic edit[1]: the logged-out vandal, who uses a US-based home broadband ISP[2][3], has made only one edit: the vandalistic edit I mentioned. The edit was made two days ago. I reverted it, then tried using Soxred93's useful Range Contributions tool[4] to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

2010-01-27 Thread Charles Matthews
Carcharoth wrote: The interesting thing is noting at what point someone reaches some critical mass of *real* notability (i.e. not Wikipedia's definition of it) and they start to gain widespread recognition from their peers, and then start receiving awards and whatnot, and also how competent

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

2010-01-27 Thread The Cunctator
JustFixIt. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:18 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.comwrote: On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: And no-one has yet created a redirect? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Corell PS. I forgot. Bob Corell gets a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

2010-01-27 Thread The Cunctator
Sometimes I don't understand people. Carcharoth goes to the trouble of finding his birth date, learning he received the Brazilian Order of Merit, and lists out some copy errors, but then doesn't fix the page? I mean, what's the point? On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Carcharoth

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

2010-01-27 Thread Carcharoth
Oh, I will, just not right now. Wrong computer. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:09 PM, The Cunctator cuncta...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes I don't understand people. Carcharoth goes to the trouble of finding his birth date, learning he received the Brazilian Order of Merit, and lists out some copy

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

2010-01-27 Thread Charles Matthews
The Cunctator wrote: Sometimes I don't understand people. Carcharoth goes to the trouble of finding his birth date, learning he received the Brazilian Order of Merit, and lists out some copy errors, but then doesn't fix the page? I mean, what's the point? Um, maybe email is OK in the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

2010-01-27 Thread David Goodman
I re-copy edited it. It was rescued in a rush, and improved in a rush. The next step is to collate with the original article., and then to look for good additional material. Some of the above discussions imply much too high a standard, both for what should be in Wikipedia and for what the quality

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

2010-01-27 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:59 PM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: I re-copy edited it. It was rescued in a rush, and improved in a rush. The next step is to collate with the original article., and then to look for good additional material. Thanks. Some of the above discussions imply

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

2010-01-27 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: snip I would say the MilHist B-class criteria would be a good minimum standard). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Assessment/B-Class * B1. It is suitably referenced, and all

Re: [WikiEN-l] Save a BLP

2010-01-27 Thread David Goodman
The first one I found was h Miranda July, which is not an unsourced BLP, and was not tagged as such. . Though tagged as needing additional references, it is rather well referenced as our articles go, and there is no question about notability. What it is, is a BLP that badly needs updating. The

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

2010-01-27 Thread Charles Matthews
Carcharoth wrote: On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: snip I would say the MilHist B-class criteria would be a good minimum standard). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Assessment/B-Class * B1. It is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

2010-01-27 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: snip Those B-class criteria would need modifying for BLPs. a case of a BDP Ah! Biography of a Dead Person? :-) but I actually created two articles about the same person once, who had been a professor

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

2010-01-27 Thread Charles Matthews
Carcharoth wrote: Fascinating. Didn't they have the same name and birth and death year? You aren't going to make us guess which person this was, are you? I'm guessing 16th century and Huguenot. Not far off. [[Ralph Baines]] and [[Rudolphus Baynus]]. Charles

Re: [WikiEN-l] Range Contribs tool; anti-vandal software ; anon IPs' User-Agents; the netblocks that vand alize the most; etc.

2010-01-27 Thread Unforgettableid
Unforgettableid unforgettableid at gmail.com writes: A) Did I go too far when I did all the research I described above? Do you yourself often use the Range Contributions tool[4] for looking at vandals' ISPs' contributions? C) Why did no anti-vandalism software automatically revert either

Re: [WikiEN-l] Removing unsourced information

2010-01-27 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Tue, 26 Jan 2010, William Pietri wrote: The problem is that even if you're only supposed to remove contentious unsourced material, there's absolutely nothing anyone can do to you if you remove noncontentious material. I think it's reasonable to ask the remover if they're actually

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

2010-01-27 Thread Andrew Gray
2010/1/27 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com: * B1. It is suitably referenced, and all major points have appropriate inline citations. * B2. It reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain obvious omissions or inaccuracies. * B3. It has a defined structure, including a lead section