Re: [WikiEN-l] A war on external links? Was: Inside Higher Ed: Does Wikipedia Suck?

2010-04-02 Thread Carcharoth
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Samuel Klein wrote: A feature to improve the curating and presentation of these links might be handy.  We have a few places were having a  set of links as a first class member of the wikiverse would be

Re: [WikiEN-l] A war on external links? Was: Inside Higher Ed: Does Wikipedia Suck?

2010-04-02 Thread Charles Matthews
Carcharoth wrote: On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Samuel Klein wrote: A feature to improve the curating and presentation of these links might be handy. We have a few places were having a set of links as a first class member

Re: [WikiEN-l] A war on external links? Was: Inside Higher Ed: Does Wikipedia Suck?

2010-04-02 Thread Michael Peel
On 2 Apr 2010, at 11:21, Charles Matthews wrote: Carcharoth wrote: On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Samuel Klein wrote: * interlanguage and interproject links to a set of articles about the same topic On the final point, the

Re: [WikiEN-l] A war on external links? Was: Inside Higher Ed: Does Wikipedia Suck?

2010-04-02 Thread Charles Matthews
Michael Peel wrote: There does seem to be a possibility for a bit of lateral thinking here. If, say, the current external links and interwiki sections were done by transclusion from something separately maintained (a set of pages organised by both language and topic?), how could that be

Re: [WikiEN-l] PR consultants: perhaps Wikipedia is not the ideal promotional medium

2010-04-02 Thread David Goodman
A PR agent should be able to learn how to write a neutral article, if they see one aspect of their role as to provide information about their client, not necessarily to directly promote them. In the fields I work in, I have frequently worked with PR staff, and about half of them have proved open

Re: [WikiEN-l] PR consultants: perhaps Wikipedia is not the ideal promotional medium

2010-04-02 Thread Fred Bauder
That's right. It isn't that we don't want an article and a skilled PR editor ought to be able to write an article the average editor could not tell was written by a PR person. The clue to bad work is lifting stuff from the company's website. And, of course, the complete absence of any negative

Re: [WikiEN-l] PR consultants: perhaps Wikipedia is not the ideal promotional medium

2010-04-02 Thread Carcharoth
They may presume that the presence of stuff that hasn't yet been de-pufferied (I made that word up) means that what they write will stay. But the key point is lack of control. If you put something on Wikipedia, you cannot control the content and that is what a lot of people fail to understand. It

Re: [WikiEN-l] PR consultants: perhaps Wikipedia is not the ideal promotional medium

2010-04-02 Thread Fred Bauder
I think continued monitoring of an article by a skilled PR operative would result in an informative, well-referenced article, which notes, but does not dwell on negative aspects. As noted, such an effort would have to integrated with our usual editing patterns. Here's the question: If you can't

Re: [WikiEN-l] PR consultants: perhaps Wikipedia is not the ideal promotional medium

2010-04-02 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:40 PM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: A PR agent should be able to learn how to write a neutral article, if they see one aspect of their role as to provide information about their client, not necessarily to directly promote them. Yes. Treated properly,

Re: [WikiEN-l] PR consultants: perhaps Wikipedia is not the ideal promotional medium

2010-04-02 Thread Carcharoth
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:58 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: snip I'm not sure about bot-seeded and maintained topics. You need to have the human editors to go with that. Having bots doing stuff *without* humans working with them and complementing them, tends to be a recipe for