[WikiEN-l] Removing unsourced information

2010-01-24 Thread Apoc 2400
It is commonly said that anyone can remove unsourced information, and that the burden lies on the editor who wants to include information to provide a source. I have always taken this to mean that if I think something is wrong or otherwise does not belong in the article, then I can remove it at

[WikiEN-l] List of the deleted articles (was: Administrator coup / mass deletions)

2010-01-24 Thread Apoc 2400
2010/1/21 David Gerard dgerard at gmail.com: Does anyone have a summary of the articles deleted in the present blood-crazed axe frenzy? Is there a list up? And/or a description of the general type of BLP deleted? I understand many were hardly-viewed articles with no edits in the last

[WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

2010-01-20 Thread Apoc 2400
Apparently there is some kind of coup on English Wikipedia where a large group of administrators have decided that since the community disagrees with them, they will use their admin powers to override consensus and policy. At least that is what they seem to claim it is. The community is incapable

[WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

2010-01-20 Thread Apoc 2400
Thomas Dalton wrote: 2010/1/21 Apoc 2400 apoc2400 at gmail.com: Is there anyone here who can do something about this before it becomes an even bigger wheel-war? Try ArbCom. Keeping admins in check is their job. Unfortunately, at least one arbitrator is part of the group. Civil

[WikiEN-l] The story of an article

2010-01-02 Thread Apoc 2400
Fascinating! I note how the article Celilo Falls was created a brought up to four long paragraphs by User:67.168.209.23. Today IPs are not allowed to create articles and some want to limit it to accounts that are four days old and have made 10 edits. When introducing non-Wikipedians to the

[WikiEN-l] The story of an article

2010-01-02 Thread Apoc 2400
Yes, it's not that difficult to create an account and wait a few days is it? You are making the mistake of assuming newcomers think like addicted Wikipedians or persistent troublemakers. This user only ever made about 25 edits and stayed just over a month, unless he or she got an account or

[WikiEN-l] Featured churn

2009-11-17 Thread Apoc 2400
Indeed. Looking at this: http://www.floatingsheep.org/2009/11/mapping-wikipedia.html This is a similar mapping: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Imageworld-artphp3.png I think there is a huge number of notable topics that we have not yet covered. Sure, there may be fewer sources about

[WikiEN-l] New way to discourage newcomers invented

2009-10-16 Thread Apoc 2400
Checking the Village Pump today I discovered http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29#autoconfirmed_for_unassisted_article_creation This is an ingenious new way of getting rid of newcomers while officially welcoming them to contribute. A newcomer who wants to create a

[WikiEN-l] [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-18 Thread Apoc 2400
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Footnotes#cite.php_update {{Reflist}} has already been changed to allow: {{reflist| refs= ref name=refname1content1/ref ref name=refname2content2/ref ref name=refname3content3/ref }} A little ugly, but everyone copy-pastes anyway. Also take a look

[WikiEN-l] Newbie and not-so-newbie biting

2009-09-18 Thread Apoc 2400
This isn't a new issue by any means, but here's a nice post by someone who's been contributing occasionally since 2004, about how daunting wikibullying can be for newbies and other editors who aren't well-versed in the procedures and processes.

[WikiEN-l] Newbie and not-so-newbie biting

2009-09-18 Thread Apoc 2400
I think most of us on this list treat newbies fairly well. Now what about the people that showed up a few months ago, never contributed much, and spend their time biting newbies? Let's say I register a new account right now. I go to new page patrol and start indiscriminately deletion-tagging any

[WikiEN-l] Deletion of unreferenced living person biographies

2009-09-09 Thread Apoc 2400
a) PROD is not allowed for any article that has already been PRODed or AFDed, which means you have to go through the history first - making a 5 second job a 10 second job (an issue if you plan to do 50,000 articles by hand) and pushing you down a different route for There is no way you

[WikiEN-l] Google Books class action lawsuit

2009-09-05 Thread Apoc 2400
When I cite from Google Books I use something like this: ref name=Wilson{{cite book|last=Wilson|first=Carol|title=Freedom at risk: the kidnapping of free Blacks in America, 1780–1865|publisher=University Press of Kentucky|date=1994|pages=43–44|isbn=0813118581|url=

[WikiEN-l] So, what is the deal with flagged revisions?

2009-08-27 Thread Apoc 2400
So apparently all the press reporting is wrong. What's the real story? For some reason, I've never actually come across these flagged revisions, partly because they always seemed to be happening in the future some time. What's the policy going to be? You get different answers depending on

[WikiEN-l] The Nature of Facts

2009-07-25 Thread Apoc 2400
The other day I ran across what is perhaps for me, one of the most bizarre situations with references I've yet to encounter. Webster's has produced a book.? I found it in some random Google books searches I was doing on a subject.? It states certain facts and a few of them I knew to be

[WikiEN-l] MediaWiki is getting a new programming language

2009-07-03 Thread Apoc 2400
The current template code is ugly, but it does work. Few people can understand the source code of the more intricate templates, which is a shame, but we are getting very good use out of the ugly wikicode. We have a huge number of templates that do a lot of good with the limited ParserFunctions we

[WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:News suppression (was: News agencies are not RSs)

2009-06-30 Thread Apoc 2400
Regarding the recent discussion, I have made a draft proposal at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:News_suppression The purpose is to codify that Jimbo and other administrators did the right thing keeping the kidnapping of David Rohde out of his Wikipedia article. It also aims to define when

[WikiEN-l] Date unlinking bot proposal

2009-06-22 Thread Apoc 2400
The community RFC about a proposal for a bot to unlink dates is now open. Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Full-date_unlinking_botand comment on the talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Full-date_unlinking_bot#RFC This has been a rather long-running dispute and

Re: [WikiEN-l] We've been overtaken.

2009-04-21 Thread Apoc 2400
From my limited checking, most of the text and images on Hudong seems to be copied from other websites: news sites, government sites, the official site of the subject, etc. They have managed to make an interesting user interface though, a working WYSIWYG wiki. 2009/4/21 Ian Woollard

Re: [WikiEN-l] We've been overtaken.

2009-04-21 Thread Apoc 2400
It seems the moderator ate the text of my message. From my limited checking, most of the text and images on Hudong seems to be copied from other websites: news sites, government sites, the official site of the subject, etc. They have managed to make an interesting user interface though, a