about? If Ken's user page makes it
obvious, just say that, but I can't immediately remember what you are
both talking about here.
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it down somewhere, as it is all too easy to just let
things go until the next such discussion.
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On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Marc Riddell
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on 2/2/11 2:41 PM, David Goodman at dgge...@gmail.com wrote:
Marc, you should know me better than
issues and see them through)
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, with nothing
being done.
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as other editors.
Goodness, is that an incivil comment? :-)
FWIW, I agree with nearly everything DGG wrote.
Moving away from what makes Wikipedia different is a step that is
fraught with danger.
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works! :-)
But my connection is still not working. :-(
I may try hassling my ISP, or I may just go shopping.
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a local cache or cookie problem. Let me try something else and see if
it helps. Then I'll stop using wiki-en-l as technical support... :-)
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On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 2:05 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 22 January 2011 13:53, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
When I try and access en.wikipedia.org, it hangs when it tries to load
the CSS things from bits.wikimedia.org (if I wait long enough, it
loads
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:58 AM, Rajarshi Guha rajarshi.g...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 19, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Carcharoth wrote:
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk
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I'm curious as well. I'm also curious as to why the user wants to
extract
http://notabilia.net/
It is rather an impressive piece of analysis. Was wondering what others think.
I found out about it from here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-01-10/In_the_news
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Oops. I see Fred posted this earlier. Sorry!
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think
the protein infoboxes do, unless they are aggregating from different
sources and we are the most convenient marriage of these sources?
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that an unattainable goal?
Talking about the true size of the internet, I'm reminded of the
concept of the Deep Web:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Web
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the source of the confusion was. No need to
accuse anyone of lying, as far as I can see.
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On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote:
On 15/01/2011, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
To take a specific example, I very occasionally come across names of
people or topics where it is next-to-impossible to find out anything
meaningful about
bit of trivia, and a nice
story.
BTW, Jimmy's speech last night was very nice. Have there been any
reports yet about that event?
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the coverage of Wikipedia outstripped the ability of
Wikipedians to document it - wonder what that says about Wikipedia).
In fact, I have a theory that Wikipedia makes only *part* of the
Internet not suck. (that should be in a new post).
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On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Steven Walling
to find information about the physicist as opposed to the
composer. If I had a birth year, it would be much easier, of course.
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On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:02 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
WYSIWYG? WSYIWTF!
OK, what *does* the TF at the end of the second initialism mean?
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This thread seems to have spawned several subthreads, none of which
are to do with the original topic - maybe those continuing the
discussions might rename the subject line, or is it far too late to do
that now?
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projects?
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of discussions, though. Merely
having good implementations doesn't solve everything.
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templates are incomparably more bogus than LiquidThreads.
What do people here think of this method? Might not scale:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mirror_thread
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now, from what I can see.
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On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Tony Sidaway tonysida...@gmail.com wrote:
The single best way to improve usability of Wikipedia would be to
scale back the use of jargon.
if you look at early discussions in those days they were usually held
after it was originally posted.
What happens to page history in a liquid threads environment?
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not many people actually read
the talk page notes I leave behind, and they end up being more notes
for myself to refer back to months or years later.
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don't pay too much attention to it. Pay attention
to it when you need to, but at other times just use common sense and
ask yourself if what you are doing will improve, or lead to an
improvement in, an article or set of articles.
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rather than being sucked into a churning maw, but you never know. And
yes, I do think being a Wikipedia editor is more productive than using
Facebook and Twitter. :-)
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On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:58 AM, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote:
On 21/12/2010, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
I've had similar thoughts, but more general, thinking that the
internet in general has more potential for people to waste their
time than ever before. How
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code
When I go to the above page, the bit at the top (the title) reads as follows:
MediaWiki talk:Morse code
I've just checked and it is still there.
Anyone have any idea what is going on?
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PS. I loved this bit here in the article (sadly not cited
there are certain types of personalities involved, sometimes the whole
internet is not big enough for them.
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post, not the Nature
article - not sure which.
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appropriate to be subscribed to to
get details of things like this?
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On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8 December 2010 11:19, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
Which mailing list would be more appropriate to be subscribed to to
get details of things like this?
wikimediauk-l usually gets UK-based events
5 years later, it probably wasn't worth writing
about in the first place, unless it endured for several decades at
least or did something that garnered a lot of attention, and maybe not
even then.
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be even more complicated
(though rarer).
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On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote:
I couldn't disagree more strongly. I have encountered this exact situation
many times over (i.e. I've had bosses, coworkers, friends, and relatives all
ask me
Oh, you can't prevent someone asking (if they know to ask). The key
thing is to know how to decline. I presume you are not suggesting ways
to prevent being asked, but are saying that it is easier to decline
(or explain why you are declining) if you approach things the right
way.
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Could you describe what that looks like, for those that avoid Facebook
like the plague? Maybe do so in a new thread so this one can stay on
topic with the Amazon stuff?
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On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Mike Dupont
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
Facebook also has the community
Goodness. A *real* Wikipedia-killer... (it might be if they let people
edit those pages)
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Mike Dupont
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
If you want to know about facebook, just read about it on wikipedia :D
April 19, 2010: Facebook introduces Community
atlases and gazeteers, rather than an
encyclopedia, and that trying to repackage the information as an
article might have been a mistake. I agree that the French article is
better, but the pictures are still awful (though the historical one is
interesting).
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of
editors always having been uncomfortable with this being apparent, and
a stub is frequently more informative to the reader than nothing.
But some data, like Charles is asking for, is not an unreasonable request.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanarce
One prose sentence! But on the other hand, a demographic table, and a
map, and an infobox, and some statistics, and a navbox. Stub or not
stub?
Stub. The picture is awful, for a start.
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On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Carl (CBM) cbm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com
wrote:
Is it possible to have a breakdown of the high-end of that? i.e.
Number of articles from 10,000 bytes upwards in steps of 5,000 bytes
in the text of the destination article.
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On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Mike Dupont
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On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
I would like to point out that the List of mountains in Serbia and
List
discussions of content on article talk pages.
But don't discuss just the content, discuss how to *present* the
content and how to *source* the content.
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doomed? :-)
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On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Charles Matthews
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Something different to talk about. I have wondered for some time if it
is really the case that we have not addressed the issue of alias
names, where the point may simply be alternate spellings
Spooky. We both typed YMMV. :-)
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Read this a few days ago, and thought it was really good. Wanted to
say that, even if there isn't much more to add. I particularly liked
the last bit:
We're an educational institution in two senses: we write educational
material for the world in general, and we educate each other.
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). Trying to work out the names
of publishers and authors can be difficult at times.
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in the same way again.
The river runs through a pipe above the platforms. I kid you not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subterranean_rivers_of_London
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other libraries listed there). The bulletin in question might even
have had an ISSN number. Not sure. Oh well.
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On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:26 PM, Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org wrote:
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com
wrote:
Maybe a video
clip montage of lots of different Wikipedia contributors talking for a
very short time?
Haha, like
http
That looks like the paper I read a preview copy of a few months ago at
a wiki-meetup! I remember thinking much the same thing as David
(Gerard) at the time, along the lines of this is great stuff!. :-)
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On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote:
Forwarding
have heard of us doesn't count.
pet peeve
I hate initialisms that I don't immediately recognise.
That's not a unique selling point (USP), of course.
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it). I wonder how many discrete
learnable steps and edits a featured article, or various standard
types of articles, can be broken down into?
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On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:31 PM, MuZemike muzem...@gmail.com wrote:
As the title indicates, when working on articles, do you prefer making
already exist.
Failing that, we can search the live text for other fake (or mis-typed
as impossible) dates that are in articles at the moment.
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On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:43 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 31 August 2010 13:11, Peter Coombe thewub.w...@googlemail.com wrote:
On 30 August 2010 17:58, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
You could even (though this is a bit silly) provide the option for people
be done
unless there is a good reason. Trouble is, such discussions get bogged
down because people look at the extremes and think (rightly in some
cases) that even allowing a little bit of flexibility would be
starting down a slippery slope.
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On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Nathan nawr
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 6:34 PM, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote:
Carcharoth wrote:
Surely if the ending is still described in the article (as I was
careful to say), NPOV wouldn't be affected? All I'm saying is that if
there was a specific OTRS request that could be verified
that would give
them the option to select (or omit) bits of the article to create a
customised article for them to read.
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On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Shane Simmons avicenna...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, I'd like to read the article about the play without finding
out the ending
the
massive popularity serves to obscure some things that readers find
wrong with Wikipedia).
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On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Brock Weller brock.wel...@gmail.com wrote:
I can't believe this idea is being seriously presented. We are an
Encyclopedia. That is one of the Five Pillars ([[WP:5P
force insincere discussion. Not that this
doesn't happen already (sorry, in a cynical mood tonight).
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as needed).
Seem courteous, but can Wikipedia be courteous?
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On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 5:43 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 August 2010 17:16, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
Does no-one want to discuss whether the ending of the Mousetrap play
This is not an invitation to revive the whole spoiler debate, but this
situation
as it appears before the ending or identity is
revealed). In both cases, there has been independent commentary and
coverage of the secrecy aspect of this, so saying within the article
that XYZ have objected to the ending/identity being reveled, is a
requirement of NPOV.
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On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 6:50 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 August 2010 18:44, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 6:29 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
I ask again: if the case came to you that one side was saying we must
do
to this sort of purpose (though obviously with a
different name and so on).
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On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 3:18 PM, WereSpielChequers
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I appreciate that your suggestion is not to have admins. But aside
from the issue that juries will be slower and less efficient
such abilities to more users.
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On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 6:12 PM, WereSpielChequers
werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:
Whilst any editor can tag an attack page for deletion or revert a
vandalism, at present you need an admin to block a vandal or delete an
attack page.
When a vandal
as well.
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at RFA, which is five candidates, all
at over 97%. Doesn't that mean there is less of a problem than people
think?
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discussion over Wikiproject:
versus WikiProject:?
100 kilobytes? That seems a gross underestimate...
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edit warring that becomes more likely as the age of Wikipedia
increases and the page versions for any one page increases as well.
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Seems fine to me (I'm in the UK).
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On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Alan Liefting alieft...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
Pages with 100s of references seem to be slow to load all of the listed
references. Is this a server speed thing? Or is it our slow internet in
NZ?
Try it with http
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:47 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
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wrote:
...
Oh wait, I found a page here:
http://www.fbi.gov/priorities/priorities.htm
That would be a better source for images, but the images
, but you could link from here to there.
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On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Carcharoth
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On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
So, is this possible section appropriate or over the top:
snip
In principle fine, but would be better discussed on the talk page
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Carcharoth
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On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Carcharoth
carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
So, is this possible section appropriate or over the top
on this, but I'm not going to discuss it on a
mailing list (I don't mind discussing deletion debates, but discussing
article editing at this level of detail feels wrong). It really does
need to be discussed on-wiki.
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, given that most currencies now use
security methods that no high-resolution image will help with when
counterfeiting.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Currency#Counterfeiting_tag
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On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:43 AM, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote:
I think the high resolution helps
the years. For all images, you really do want
to try and find the most reliable source possible, not some random
website.
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On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
Well, I tried that and quickly found
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:FBI_Badge.jpg
stuff makes a
difference here (in the US at least), so you need explicit permission
from the *photographer* to use the image.
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, but that would likely get swallowed amongst the legal
arguments about badge impersonation (and I think Fred is wrong there).
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of changing design
and issuing new badges or identification cards.
Please Google the number of sites offering badges for sale. I dread to
think how many are sting operations.
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involved citations of 18 U.S.C. §701, which is one of the statutes
being cited here as well.
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of Defense Top
Secret (TS) clearance and Critical Nuclear Weapon Design Information
(CNWDI).
Remember this all took place when Brad Patrick was WMF lawyer.
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a genuine FBI badge and finding who took this photograph).
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On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Shane Simmons avicenna...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/9/10, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:26 PM, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote:
What is needed is a way
to find a genuine FBI badge and find someone willing to photograph
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
Actually if the FBI approached me I would know them by their manner,
which is quite distinctive, although not impossible to mimic.
{{citation needed}}
:-)
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as official images and the photography license are concerned.
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image, in preference to a poor and dubious one, if we keep
any.
I think all images relating to the FBI should be taken from and
sourced to their photo gallery. Seems the most logical thing to do.
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On 9 August 2010 20:26, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
I think all images relating to the FBI should be taken from and
sourced to their photo gallery. Seems the most logical thing to do.
The obvious steps
I would hope we don't have the spectacle of each round of
correspondence being published in the New York Times.
Carcharoth
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On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:16 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8 August 2010 14:03, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
I agree. Which is why such arguments should be kept private. I'm still
mystified as to why this ended up in a national newspaper. The bare
facts
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:23 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8 August 2010 14:22, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:16 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
Possibly the WMF lawyer and PR person know more about the law and PR
than you do
(or received wisdom)
changes. In that case, I default to the status quo on en-wp, which I think
is better than not, as I'm sure most of us do.
Maybe Constructionism as an opposite to Destructionism?
I think another term used is eventualism.
Carcharoth
integration with the existing articles.
I sometimes think getting an article to FA-status too soon can impede
its future development. There is a right moment to push for an article
to get to FA level, and there is a wrong moment as well.
Carcharoth
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