On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Stephen Bainstephen.b...@gmail.com wrote:
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Incidentally, NOINDEXing requires no developer assistance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:NOINDEX
One good use of the NOINDEX template, IMO, is to hide userfied drafts
of BLP articles. When undeleting an
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From: Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net
To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 2:50 pm
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] A new solution for the BLP dilemma
Was he merely silent about the issue, or did he say I own the
copyright, go
ahead and host it
The person who
Okay, if I hav this straight, then wikipedia should not index the article,
either. In other words, you would not find some people from their family
name or stage name, unless they issue some form of approval. Those who are
interested in getting their facts acceptable would know exactly where
Um, that's an attempt at humor right?
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
wrote:
Okay, if I hav this straight, then wikipedia should not index the article,
either. In other words, you would not find some people from their family
name or stage name,
That proposal isn't one that I'm comfortable wit. It seems to encourage
sweeping problematic BLPs under the carpet by reducing the probability that
they'll be viewed. I'd rather we rolled up our sleeves and strategically
tackled troublesome content.
Perhaps enabling flagged revisions for BLPs as
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 19:16, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rand_FishkinIf
the vandalism occurred
the day after he checked the page it'd be six days more before he spotted
it, and longer while OTRS processed his request.
On Jun 5, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Jim Redmond wrote:
As several others have mentioned, noindexing won't prevent
vandalism, won't
prevent mirrors from showing the hidden content, and won't prevent
direct
visits to the hidden content.
Pardon the dumb question, but do we have a {{nomirror}}
Perhaps I should have thought of this example sooner: one extreme instance
that comes to mind is the following biography:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Sanchez
Which was nominated for deletion three times and kept:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Matt_Sanchez
In a message dated 6/5/2009 10:48:36 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
philippe.w...@gmail.com writes:
Pardon the dumb question, but do we have a {{nomirror}} or similar
feature? If so, some combination of {{noindex}}, {{nomirror}}, and
flagged revisions might be a temporary panacea...
Of course ArbCom doesn't ban someone merely for correcting BLP problems; no
one suggests they did.
:The subject himself is no boy scout. When he gained attention a ghost from
his closet emerged, and his attempts to deal with the resulting problems at
Wikipedia were so counterproductive that he
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Jim Redmond wrote:
As several others have mentioned, noindexing won't prevent vandalism, won't
prevent mirrors from showing the hidden content, and won't prevent direct
visits to the hidden content. Additionally, as I mentioned in a comment on
your blog, most BLP-related
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Of course ArbCom doesn't ban someone merely for correcting BLP
problems; no
one suggests they did.
:The subject himself is no boy scout. When he gained attention a ghost
from
his closet
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Sent: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 3:06 pm
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Negative information was sourced to talk shows in the form of copyvio
rehostings on YouTube
, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:13 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
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Negative information was sourced to talk
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Sent: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 3:54 pm
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It is to be hoped that Wikipedians can hold a mailing list conversation
without inflicting
These threads would be much shorter if the links provided actually got read
for the information they contain. ;)
The governing policy is linked from the opening post:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:COPYRIGHT#Linking_to_copyrighted_works
Policy does not instruct editors to wait for a
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Sent: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 8:12 pm
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These threads would be much shorter if the links provided actually got
read
On Jun 5, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Durova wrote:
The subject was trollable, and got trolled. Wikipedia should have
been able
to resolve that mess without so much wasted time on everybody's part.
The subject also actively trolled. Durova, I agree with you on BLPs,
but Matt is ABSOLUTELY the
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Sent: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 8:49 pm
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The cplsanchez.info site is the impersonator's site.
-
Or its
Hi all, in two years of looking for solutions to the BLP issues have finally
stumbled upon an idea that hasn't been raised before. Basically it's this:
*Suppose we noindexed biographies of living persons, upon the subject's
request.* This would require developer assistance, and require a bit of
2009/6/4 Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com:
Hi all, in two years of looking for solutions to the BLP issues have finally
stumbled upon an idea that hasn't been raised before. Basically it's this:
*Suppose we noindexed biographies of living persons, upon the subject's
request.* This would
These policy pages seem to imply otherwise:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Presumption_in_favor_of_privacy
Presumption in favor of privacy
Wikipedia articles that present material about living people can affect
their subjects' lives. Wikipedia editors who
2009/6/4 Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com
Wikipedia articles that present material about living people can affect
their subjects' lives.
Trouble is, even if you NOINDEX so it can't find it in google, they could
still find it in the wikipedia or via inbound links.
So, although, the proposal
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Sent: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 3:32 pm
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2009/6/4 Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com
Wikipedia articles that present material
...@gmail.com
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2009/6/4 Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com
Wikipedia articles that present material about living people can
affect
their subjects' lives
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Sent: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 4:33 pm
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Mirrors don't get such high search rank as Wikipedia. Most people who
search Google never
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Mirrors don't get such high search rank as Wikipedia. Most people who
search Google never look past the first 10 entries (if they even scroll
down
to number 10, which many don't
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Sent: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 4:55 pm
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Obviously the bids don't cite Wikipedia. It's not uncommon, though,
for the
decision
2009/6/5 Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com:
Obviously the bids don't cite Wikipedia. It's not uncommon, though, for the
decision maker to run a quick Google search. Now if exploitation is going
to happen, Wikipedia happens to be one of the easiest platforms to exploit.
Wikipedians try to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rand_Fishkin
One of several BLPs I've nominated for deletion upon request from the
subject. He's notable basically for two things: owning a business and
having proposed to his wife at a professional sporting event.
When he first
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Sent: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 5:16 pm
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rand_Fishkin
One of several
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:59 AM, Durovanadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote:
*Suppose we noindexed biographies of living persons, upon the subject's
request.*
As has been already mentioned, this has all been discussed before, but:
NOINDEXing BLPs does nothing to stop vandalism of them. All it can
The proposal is to noindex upon the subject's request. Isn't it best to let
the people who live with the consequences weigh those pros and cons? If the
main thing they want is to get Wikipedia off the top Google result, then it
may be worth it to them. On principle, I'm not keen on paternalism.
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Durovanadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote:
The proposal is to noindex upon the subject's request. Isn't it best to let
the people who live with the consequences weigh those pros and cons? If the
main thing they want is to get Wikipedia off the top Google result,
Penicillin may be great for strep throat, but that's no argument against
chicken soup. Especially when the pharmacy's supply of penicillin is in
back order. ;)
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:43 AM,
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Sent: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 5:43 pm
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The proposal is to noindex upon the subject's request. Isn't it best
to let
the people
So far as I am aware, they already can add {{NOINDEX}} to the article and it
will, if nobody else reverts the edit disappear from google.
I must confess that I don't think it fixes anything worth fixing though.
2009/6/5 Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com
The proposal is to noindex upon the
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