Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-24 Thread Håkon Wium Lie
I wrote: http://www.princexml.com/howcome/2009/wikipedia/infobox/ What is the likelihood of making as much as possible CSS? How to make infoboxes degrade gracefully for non-CSS browsers and IE users? Youch, that's messy in IE7. Lovely though it may be, that 30-50% of

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-05 Thread Mathias Schindler
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Håkon Wium Lie howc...@opera.com wrote: Andrew Gray wrote: However, I also think the web should not be hostage to IE6/IE7 forever. Some designers have declared war on IE6 for this reason:  http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/02/norwegian-websi.html There has

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-05 Thread Ray Saintonge
Mathias Schindler wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Håkon Wium Lie wrote: Andrew Gray wrote: However, I also think the web should not be hostage to IE6/IE7 forever. Some designers have declared war on IE6 for this reason:

[WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread David Gerard
By Hakon Wium Lie of Opera: http://www.princexml.com/howcome/2009/wikipedia/infobox/ What is the likelihood of making as much as possible CSS? How to make infoboxes degrade gracefully for non-CSS browsers and IE users? - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread Andrew Gray
2009/3/3 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: By Hakon Wium Lie of Opera: http://www.princexml.com/howcome/2009/wikipedia/infobox/ What is the likelihood of making as much as possible CSS? How to make infoboxes degrade gracefully for non-CSS browsers and IE users? Youch, that's messy in IE7.

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: 2009/3/3 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: By Hakon Wium Lie of Opera: http://www.princexml.com/howcome/2009/wikipedia/infobox/ What is the likelihood of making as much as possible CSS? How to make infoboxes degrade

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread David Gerard
2009/3/3 Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk: Youch, that's messy in IE7. Lovely though it may be, that 30-50% of our audience would not be happy... Indeed. I emailed Hakon Lie inviting his participation, but noting that dropping even IE6, lovely as that would be, is not a happener in the

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread K. Peachey
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:30 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: By Hakon Wium Lie of Opera: http://www.princexml.com/howcome/2009/wikipedia/infobox/ What is the likelihood of making as much as possible CSS? How to make infoboxes degrade gracefully for non-CSS browsers and IE users? -

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread David Gerard
2009/3/3 K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au: The author has only taken in account standards compliant browsers (Firefox, Safari, Opera to name a few) which is wrong since they are not 100% used, i believe IE 6 which is hardly compliant in these matters is still at 40% usage, thats just the

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread geni
2009/3/3 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: By Hakon Wium Lie of Opera: http://www.princexml.com/howcome/2009/wikipedia/infobox/ What is the likelihood of making as much as possible CSS? How to make infoboxes degrade gracefully for non-CSS browsers and IE users? - d. Hmm it's broken in

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: 2009/3/3 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: By Hakon Wium Lie of Opera: http://www.princexml.com/howcome/2009/wikipedia/infobox/ What is the likelihood of making as much as possible CSS? How to make infoboxes degrade

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: 2009/3/3 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: By Hakon Wium Lie of Opera: http://www.princexml.com/howcome/2009/wikipedia/infobox/ What is the

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread Ray Saintonge
Gwern Branwen wrote: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Andrew Gray wrote: On another note, wow. I hadn't realised how much stuff was in our infoboxes. The five lines of government I can understand, the two GDPs ditto, but do we really need a quick-reference for proportion of area which is

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread Daniel R. Tobias
On 3 Mar 2009 at 11:49:01 -0500, Gwern Branwen wrote: All of those are pretty interesting things - what side of the road tells you both historical information, and also is terribly practical if you're there* * Although one certainly hopes that anyone driving in a particular country will

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread Jay Litwyn
I like two things about CSS: it permits background colours. Why could they not hav just put bgcolor= as a new attribute in a font? Many first choices of font face are ignored for not being present, while in PDF output, you get to say Embed TrueType as subset: YES, following Adobe's style guide