Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-28 Thread MuZemike
Hence the one comment on the Wikimedia blog article (http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/07/15/%E2%80%9Crate-this-page%E2%80%9D-is-coming-to-the-english-wikipedia/) about the survey poll: http://www.vizu.com//poll-results.html?n=138785 50.5% It will be griefed like YouTube comments. -MuZemike On

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-27 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 07/16/11 4:42 PM, Dan Dascalescu wrote: On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 02:28, Ray Saintongesainto...@telus.net wrote: On 07/14/11 5:56 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote: Do we have stats yet that measure whether this is encouraging editing, or diverting even more people from improving the pedia to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-27 Thread David Gerard
On 27 July 2011 08:34, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: On 07/16/11 4:42 PM, Dan Dascalescu wrote: After rating an article, there is this link asking Did you know you could edit this page. Just saying that is not enough to inspire people to edit. It turns out it is:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-27 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 9:08 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/07/15/%e2%80%9crate-this-page%e2%80%9d-is-coming-to-the-english-wikipedia/ snip While these initial results are certainly encouraging, we need to assess whether these editors are, in fact,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-27 Thread WereSpielChequers
Actually there are a number of other tests we need to run before we know whether Article Rating really is a net positive or a net negative. I hoped they would compare the 100,000 with a control sample to see which gets more edits:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-27 Thread Ian Woollard
On 27/07/2011, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: The issue I've noted is that it is being used as a warfare tool on controversial articles. I've not seen it mentioned on a talk page yet; but one contentious article (on a subject with a large online following, entrenched

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-18 Thread WereSpielChequers
Re Ray's comment: It's difficult to see any logical connection between an article rating system, and encouraging new editors. I'm not convinced that we fully understand all the different things that made Wikipedia work, and especially what are the elements that didn't motivate us individually

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-15 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 07/14/11 5:56 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote: Do we have stats yet that measure whether this is encouraging editing, or diverting even more people from improving the pedia to critiquing it? It's difficult to see any logical connection between an article rating system, and encouraging new

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-15 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 07/14/11 10:01 AM, MuZemike wrote: However, you've made a good point there about gaming the system and intentionally trying to garner high ratings. For example, one could create a horrid piece of crap article which would have no chance of staying on Wikipedia and canvass his/her buddies to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-14 Thread David Gerard
On 14 July 2011 00:40, Howie Fung hf...@wikimedia.org wrote: Just wanted to pass along a note to let everyone know that earlier today, we ramped up the Article Feedback Tool to 10% of articles on the English Wikipedia.  That brings the total to approximately 374K articles with the tool

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-14 Thread WereSpielChequers
Do we have stats yet that measure whether this is encouraging editing, or diverting even more people from improving the pedia to critiquing it? Remember there is a risk that this could exacerbate the templating trend. Just as we need to value edits that fix problems and remove templates above

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-14 Thread MuZemike
A couple of fair points. However, I would disagree that everyone is interested in editing or improving the encyclopedia; some are perfectly content on reading the content therein and, if given the chance, say what they think about out (not necessarily on Wikipedia, but could be anywhere on the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-14 Thread David Gerard
On 14 July 2011 18:01, MuZemike muzem...@gmail.com wrote: However, you've made a good point there about gaming the system and intentionally trying to garner high ratings. For example, one could create a horrid piece of crap article which would have no chance of staying on Wikipedia and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-14 Thread WereSpielChequers
Cutting off the top or bottom 10% wouldn't work if 4chan targets the articles written by one of our editors, if anything the non4chan votes will be in the top 10% that you discard. To be honest I'm not particularly worried if people canvass their mates to give straight 5s to an obscure article

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-14 Thread Dario Taraborelli
WereSpielChequers, thanks for the great feedback. We are going to analyze the overall effect of AFT on article edit volume. More generally, for all retention features we are currently deploying, we will be studying both how they affect edit activity at article-level and how they affect

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-14 Thread Dario Taraborelli
On Jul 14, 2011, at 10:11 AM, David Gerard wrote: On 14 July 2011 18:01, MuZemike muzem...@gmail.com wrote: However, you've made a good point there about gaming the system and intentionally trying to garner high ratings. For example, one could create a horrid piece of crap article which

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-14 Thread David Gerard
On 14 July 2011 18:22, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Cutting off the top or bottom 10% wouldn't work if 4chan targets the articles written by one of our editors, if anything the non4chan votes will be in the top 10% that you discard. [...] Unless I'm missing

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-14 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:31 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Making all the rating data publicly available for analysis (with no usernames or IPs attached, of course) is a first step. Before proposing solutions to problems in the data, look at the data ;-) A sound recommendation

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-14 Thread Tom Morris
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 18:22, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: To be honest I'm not particularly worried if people canvass their mates to give straight 5s to an obscure article that only a few hundred people will ever notice. I would anticipate that will happen whenever

[WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-13 Thread Howie Fung
Everyone, Just wanted to pass along a note to let everyone know that earlier today, we ramped up the Article Feedback Tool to 10% of articles on the English Wikipedia. That brings the total to approximately 374K articles with the tool deployed. We'll be posting additional information on the