Re: [WikiEN-l] Do we try to watch(list) the encyclopedia too much?

2009-12-10 Thread Charles Matthews
Mike Pruden wrote: It isn't uncommon for the normally active user to have hundreds, if not thousands, of pages on their watchlist. Then, when somebody makes an edit that a certain user doesn't agree with, it gets changed or outright reverted. It's like, at the least, a form of a bunch of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Do we try to watch(list) the encyclopedia too much?

2009-12-10 Thread Carl (CBM)
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Mike Pruden mikepru...@yahoo.com wrote: Personally, I found unloading my watchlist liberating, and I would hope that more would do the same. There's always that steady stream of vandal-fighters to stomp out any clear vandalism that pops up. What about edits

Re: [WikiEN-l] Do we try to watch(list) the encyclopedia too much?

2009-12-10 Thread David Gerard
2009/12/10 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com: The logic is wrong, in that the pile-up factor is not the main issue: coverage on someone's watchlist at all is the issue. Divide the number of articles by the number of active Wikipedians and you find that unless many people have

Re: [WikiEN-l] Do we try to watch(list) the encyclopedia too much?

2009-12-10 Thread Steve Bennett
Strangely enough, the flaggedrevisions feature seems to provide a lot of what we need: 1) People don't have to watch changes as they happen, they can stumble on them when they go to save a new change 2) Changes are marked as patrolled, so far more efficient than 10 people all noticing the same

Re: [WikiEN-l] Do we try to watch(list) the encyclopedia too much?

2009-12-10 Thread Charles Matthews
Steve Bennett wrote: Strangely enough, the flaggedrevisions feature seems to provide a lot of what we need: 1) People don't have to watch changes as they happen, they can stumble on them when they go to save a new change 2) Changes are marked as patrolled, so far more efficient than 10

Re: [WikiEN-l] Do we try to watch(list) the encyclopedia too much?

2009-12-10 Thread geni
2009/12/10 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Strangely enough, the flaggedrevisions feature seems to provide a lot of what we need: 1) People don't have to watch changes as they happen, they can stumble on them when they go to save a new change 2) Changes are marked as patrolled, so far more

[WikiEN-l] Do we try to watch(list) the encyclopedia too much?

2009-12-10 Thread WereSpielChequers
Pruden mikepru...@yahoo.com Subject: [WikiEN-l] Do we try to watch(list) the encyclopedia too        much? To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 76300.90794...@web32603.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Perhaps I'm the only one who finds this a little

Re: [WikiEN-l] Do we try to watch(list) the encyclopedia too much?

2009-12-10 Thread Carl (CBM)
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Strangely enough, the flaggedrevisions feature seems to provide a lot of what we need: 1) People don't have to watch changes as they happen, they can stumble on them when they go to save a new change 2) Changes are

Re: [WikiEN-l] Do we try to watch(list) the encyclopedia too much?

2009-12-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:49 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: 3)The massive backlog in patrolled edits will kill the instant feedback wikipedia currently gives and reduce editing to a level where watching everything is no longer a problem. Only if all pages are set to show only the patrolled

Re: [WikiEN-l] Do we try to watch(list) the encyclopedia too much?

2009-12-10 Thread Charles Matthews
David Gerard wrote: 2009/12/10 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com: The logic is wrong, in that the pile-up factor is not the main issue: coverage on someone's watchlist at all is the issue. Divide the number of articles by the number of active Wikipedians and you find that

Re: [WikiEN-l] Do we try to watch(list) the encyclopedia too much?

2009-12-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Perhaps one of our wizards could check how many pages are not watched by anybody who has edited in 2009. More useful and precise would be collecting page views of diffs. I don't know if we record them or

Re: [WikiEN-l] Do we try to watch(list) the encyclopedia too much?

2009-12-10 Thread Andrew Gray
2009/12/10 geni geni...@gmail.com: 2009/12/10 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Strangely enough, the flaggedrevisions feature seems to provide a lot of what we need: 1) People don't have to watch changes as they happen, they can stumble on them when they go to save a new change 2) Changes

Re: [WikiEN-l] Do we try to watch(list) the encyclopedia too much?

2009-12-10 Thread Guettarda
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:27 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Mike Pruden wrote: It isn't uncommon for the normally active user to have hundreds, if not thousands, of pages on their watchlist. Then, when somebody makes an edit that a certain user doesn't agree

[WikiEN-l] Do we try to watch(list) the encyclopedia too much?

2009-12-09 Thread Mike Pruden
Perhaps I'm the only one who finds this a little concerning in my part, but lately I've been feeling that too many users are trying to watch too much of Wikipedia at one time. Let me elaborate a little. It isn't uncommon for the normally active user to have hundreds, if not thousands, of pages

Re: [WikiEN-l] Do we try to watch(list) the encyclopedia too much?

2009-12-09 Thread David Gerard
2009/12/10 Mike Pruden mikepru...@yahoo.com: Personally, I found unloading my watchlist liberating, and I would hope that more would do the same. There's always that steady stream of vandal-fighters to stomp out any clear vandalism that pops up. It's hard to explain, but I think it's a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Do we try to watch(list) the encyclopedia too much?

2009-12-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Mike Pruden mikepru...@yahoo.com wrote: Perhaps I'm the only one who finds this a little concerning in my part, but lately I've been feeling that too many users are trying to watch too much of Wikipedia at one time. Let me elaborate a little. It isn't