On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:34 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
From a news company's POV there is little point in sending someone to
Iran to report on events if people are only going to read your reports
as rehashed by blogs and wikipedia.
Maybe they should start their own blogs and
Such awesome responsibility we have now...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/22/technology/internet/22wiki.html
This includes an explanation of why these links were seen only occasionally.
Fred
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2009/6/22 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net:
Such awesome responsibility we have now...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/22/technology/internet/22wiki.html
This includes an explanation of why these links were seen only occasionally.
So, in essence, many Wikipedia articles are another way that
Can someone set up a Wikipedia space page that lists the articles featured
on Google News? The articles will already be under closer scrutiny, for the
same reason they're on Google, but it might be good to have a page that
people can scan for blatant problems and use as a focus for improvement.
2009/6/22 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
2009/6/22 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net:
Such awesome responsibility we have now...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/22/technology/internet/22wiki.html
This includes an explanation of why these links were seen only occasionally.
So, in essence,
2009/6/22 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com:
Journalists use each other's work all the time without, as far as I
know, paying each other anything. It's a completely ridiculous
complaint.
I made it a comment on the story too. You may wish to add your paragraph.
Can someone set up a Wikipedia space page that lists the articles
featured
on Google News? The articles will already be under closer scrutiny, for
the
same reason they're on Google, but it might be good to have a page that
people can scan for blatant problems and use as a focus for
Can someone set up a Wikipedia space page that lists the articles
featured
on Google News? The articles will already be under closer scrutiny, for
the
same reason they're on Google, but it might be good to have a page that
people can scan for blatant problems and use as a focus for
David Gerard wrote:
2009/6/22 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com:
DG, lighten up on Noam Cohen a bit - he seems more disposed to be fair
to us than when I met him in Taipei in 2007, and seemed surprised that
any Wikipedians were actually, like, serious. His point was
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 12:17 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/6/22 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com:
DG, lighten up on Noam Cohen a bit - he seems more disposed to be fair
to us than when I met him in Taipei in 2007, and seemed surprised that
any Wikipedians
2009/6/22 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net:
I set this up as Category:Currently linked to from Google News
but notice that extremely rapid modification of the main page of Google
News results in frequent removal and addition of links. Our list could
never be current or complete, but might
2009/6/22 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com:
DG, lighten up on Noam Cohen a bit - he seems more disposed to be fair
to us than when I met him in Taipei in 2007, and seemed surprised that
any Wikipedians were actually, like, serious. His point was factual
even if you may think
2009/6/22 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com:
Journalists use each other's work all the time without, as far as I
know, paying each other anything. It's a completely ridiculous
complaint.
Various organisations such as AP make good money selling their
stories. There are still some
Is there a way to have the links from the Google front page scraped
automatically to have the pages dumped into the category by bot, rather
than
relying on folks to keep it up to date by hand? I can foresee having a
historical category (Articles linked by Google News), a current
category
2009/6/22 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net:
I set this up as Category:Currently linked to from Google News
but notice that extremely rapid modification of the main page of Google
News results in frequent removal and addition of links. Our list could
never be current or complete, but might
Fred Bauder wrote:
Such awesome responsibility we have now...
The suggestion that there should be an onsite category for articles on
Google News is good (prefer a hidden category). As I was saying in
another thread, the journos' priority of getting the breaking news aand
getting it right
2009/6/22 Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com:
On 22/06/2009, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
From a news company's POV there is little point in sending someone to
Iran to report on events if people are only going to read your reports
as rehashed by blogs and wikipedia.
Actually, the Wikipedia
2009/6/22 Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net:
Remember, we have people in Iran.
Fred
But not reporters and I don't think wikinews is getting much stuff.
The view is understandable. So called citizen journalism doesn't do
much in the way of original research or reporting and the cases that
it
Nathan wrote
And it isn't so terribly unreasonable, the idea that news aggregators (who
collate content, rather than create it) should be asked to pay some portion
of their revenue to the folks who actually do the work. Our role is a bit
different, since we combine a broad range of references
Is there a way to have the links from the Google front page scraped
automatically to have the pages dumped into the category by bot, rather than
relying on folks to keep it up to date by hand? I can foresee having a
historical category (Articles linked by Google News), a current category
(Current
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
Do we have any stats on how often people click the links in
references? I suspect not. It would be good if we could get some,
though.
Slightly tangential, a few days ago I was trying to figure out how
this Google
So, in essence, many Wikipedia articles are another way that the work
of news publications is quickly condensed and reused without
compensation.
What the fuck. Is there a journalist in the last four years who hasn't
used Wikipedia as their handy universal backgrounder?
Journalists use each
2009/6/22 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com:
Of course it's economics telling here, and the fact that newspapers
weren't smart enough to set up a cartel a decade or more ago, so that
online news would be subscriber-only.
And that they're blaming Google, because Google is
Steve Summit wrote:
I'm not saying we're doing anything wrong, any more than Google
News is doing anything wrong. But as Zachary Seward has
described [1], we're viewed (by Google itself) as one of the
web-2.0-ey things that will displace conventional journalism.
This isn't the place to
David Gerard wrote:
2009/6/22 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com:
DG, lighten up on Noam Cohen a bit - he seems more disposed to be fair
to us than when I met him in Taipei in 2007, and seemed surprised that
any Wikipedians were actually, like, serious. His point was
Charles Matthews wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
2009/6/22 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com:
DG, lighten up on Noam Cohen a bit - he seems more disposed to be fair
to us than when I met him in Taipei in 2007, and seemed surprised that
any Wikipedians were actually,
2009/6/22 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com:
Interesting. They're attempting to raise money by circulating people
saying you should send us money. We should try that. Oh ...
Category error. We aren't billing anyone. Donations are
a completely different animal.
It has been
2009/6/22 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com:
Charles Matthews wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1storycode=43823c=1
Interesting. They're attempting to raise money by circulating people
saying you should send us money. We should try that.
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