Have you written that essay with this sort of advice in it yet? :-)
Carcharoth
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 2:47 AM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote:
The important part of salvage work is not keeping the articles, but
keeping the new contributors. This is done not just by refraining
from
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 1:21 AM, WereSpielChequers
werespielchequ...@googlemail.com wrote:
I'm hoping that we won't have too many trick articles in this
process, or articles that should be deleted but not by CSD (the
criteria are write an article that doesn't meet the deletion
criteria.
Hmm,
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
Have you written that essay with this sort of advice in it yet? :-)
Carcharoth
That would make a good topic for an opinion essay in the Signpost, I think.
The point of my comment is that if I have the time to do it, the
advice is specific to the particular article. Not suggesting looking
for sources in general, but suggesting where they might be found,
keeping in mind the probable availability to the user. Not saying
avoid promotional phrases
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
I think you needed to point out which bits of information corresponded
with which sources.
I sure did! I also needed to use bullet points - but I didn't know that.
I see the failed wikilinking for Bintulu was not
David Goodman wrote:
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That this leads to non-notification is only part of the problem. It
also leads to a failure to correct errors. When I see a bad speedy,
unless I think it's really important, I leave it alone, and do not
revert it, although I know it will result in people coming to
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
snip
I created a journal article in the end. Not part of this experiment,
but my point below (which may have got lost), is valid, I think:
To try and bring this post back on-topic, I suppose my point is that
stub
Carcharoth wrote:
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com
wrote:
snip
I created a journal article in the end. Not part of this experiment,
but my point below (which may have got lost), is valid, I think:
To try and bring this post back on-topic, I
The important part of salvage work is not keeping the articles, but
keeping the new contributors. This is done not just by refraining
from deleting their articles, but helping the new editors to improve
them.
What encourages me to patrol is when I get a talk page comment after
I've deleted (or
I'm hoping that we won't have too many trick articles in this
process, or articles that should be deleted but not by CSD (the
criteria are write an article that doesn't meet the deletion
criteria.
So far we've had a range from Battleships and miniaturists to Monarchs
and a winger. I think we've
2009/10/30 WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@googlemail.com:
I'm hoping that we won't have too many trick articles in this
process, or articles that should be deleted but not by CSD (the
criteria are write an article that doesn't meet the deletion
criteria.
Yeah, any such article ahs to
2009/10/30 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
2009/10/30 WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@googlemail.com:
I'm hoping that we won't have too many trick articles in this
process, or articles that should be deleted but not by CSD (the
criteria are write an article that doesn't meet the deletion
2009/10/30 geni geni...@gmail.com:
2009/10/30 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
2009/10/30 WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@googlemail.com:
I'm hoping that we won't have too many trick articles in this
process, or articles that should be deleted but not by CSD (the
criteria are write an
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:04 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/10/30 geni geni...@gmail.com:
2009/10/30 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
2009/10/30 WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@googlemail.com:
I'm hoping that we won't have too many trick articles in this
process, or
David Gerard wrote:
Discussion on the funcs list indicates there's a
real problem. That way, the admin population can't dismiss it as just
you whining - but something the arbs are seeing as well, and consider
below the ideal of admin behaviour. We're after a cultural change,
after all.
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Charles Matthews
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
Discussion on the funcs list indicates there's a
real problem. That way, the admin population can't dismiss it as just
you whining - but something the arbs are seeing as well,
2009/10/30 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com:
So where do we stand now on your comment (of not too long ago) that the
preferred mode for reversing a bum speedy deletion is not to notify the
deleting admin?
That was fatigue from dealing with too many people reacting as I
Ryan Delaney wrote:
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Charles Matthews
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com
mailto:charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
Discussion on the funcs list indicates there's a
real problem. That way, the admin population can't
Yes, there are enough misconceptions to make this worth discussion. In
fact, one oft he reasons for not notifying is when one knows the
notification will be ignored, or, possibly, start a conflict.
Give the official equality of all admins, most of us are not anxious
for conflict, and this is
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:32 AM, WereSpielChequers
werespielchequ...@googlemail.com wrote:
The idea is to test the speedy deletion process with articles that
shouldn't be speedy deleted.
Links to several of the articles in the process and their fates have
been posted to
It's not hard to do. Mention the unspectacular factor that claims
notability in an obscure position in the middle without any details,
add some foolish spam about how good they are how they will change
the world, include an email address to contact for more information,
and omit references. For
The idea is to test the speedy deletion process with articles that
shouldn't be speedy deleted.
Links to several of the articles in the process and their fates have
been posted to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers/Newbie_treatment
But at present it is skewed towards the ones
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:55 AM, George Herbert
george.herb...@gmail.com wrote:
I want to personally look at the articles and responses in more depth
before I comment more, but this has been exceptionally valuable
research.
Yes, can you please post the usernames and the articles that were
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