Re: [WikiEN-l] Linkage bloat

2011-12-11 Thread Tony Sidaway
If an article is bloated with links or templates just remove the clutter. On Nov 11, 2011 7:33 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 09/11/11 22:29, Peter Jacobi wrote: Perhaps the usefulness of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Linkage bloat

2011-11-11 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 09/11/11 22:29, Peter Jacobi wrote: Perhaps the usefulness of portals and categories can be combined. For example, but unrealistic in the short term, clicking to a standard category link should open the portal

Re: [WikiEN-l] Linkage bloat

2011-11-10 Thread Tim Starling
On 09/11/11 22:29, Peter Jacobi wrote: Perhaps the usefulness of portals and categories can be combined. For example, but unrealistic in the short term, clicking to a standard category link should open the portal page of the same name if it exists. You could just put {{Portal:{{PAGENAME}} }}

Re: [WikiEN-l] Linkage bloat

2011-11-10 Thread Fred Bauder
On 09/11/11 22:29, Peter Jacobi wrote: Perhaps the usefulness of portals and categories can be combined. For example, but unrealistic in the short term, clicking to a standard category link should open the portal page of the same name if it exists. You could just put {{Portal:{{PAGENAME}}

Re: [WikiEN-l] Linkage bloat

2011-11-09 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 8 November 2011 15:32, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: What I'm looking for is the ability to filter links to articles that are due to that template being transcluded on other pages, and links that

Re: [WikiEN-l] Linkage bloat

2011-11-09 Thread Peter Jacobi
Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, the answer to the question is to deprecate such ridiculous templates and apply the appropriate categories. These enormous templates make articles difficult to open on slow or mobile connections, which encompasses a significant number of our users.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Linkage bloat

2011-11-09 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Peter Jacobi peter_jac...@gmx.net wrote: Perhaps the usefulness of portals and categories can be combined. For example, but unrealistic in the short term, clicking to a standard category link should open the portal page of the same name if it exists. That is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Linkage bloat

2011-11-08 Thread Carcharoth
Dredging up an old post to ask those reading this list what the best way is to make progress on this. I suspect the answer is to post again to something like wiki-tech-l, but that didn't really get things moving last time. I'm asking this time because I'm struggling to make what links here work

Re: [WikiEN-l] Linkage bloat

2011-11-08 Thread Andrew Gray
On 8 November 2011 15:32, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: What I'm looking for is the ability to filter links to articles that are due to that template being transcluded on other pages, and links that actually come from the non-transcluded areas of articles. Preferably with the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Linkage bloat

2011-11-08 Thread Risker
On 8 November 2011 17:08, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 8 November 2011 15:32, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: What I'm looking for is the ability to filter links to articles that are due to that template being transcluded on other pages, and links that

Re: [WikiEN-l] Linkage bloat

2011-04-04 Thread Charles Matthews
On 04/04/2011 12:56, Carcharoth wrote: So is there anyway to encourage or help with whatever needs to be done here? Have a look at [[Template:Protected Areas of Massachusetts]], for example. This nearly doubled in size early in 2011, with a couple of hundred red links added. What we have here

Re: [WikiEN-l] Linkage bloat

2011-04-04 Thread Ian Woollard
On 04/04/2011, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Have a look at [[Template:Protected Areas of Massachusetts]], for example. This nearly doubled in size early in 2011, with a couple of hundred red links added. What we have here is quadratic: if it is assumed all those

Re: [WikiEN-l] Linkage bloat

2011-04-04 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: Basically, what matters here is readability and usefulness. And knowing how many links are from within templates and how many from within the actual text of an article is not useful? What links here is a useful tool for

Re: [WikiEN-l] Linkage bloat

2011-04-04 Thread Will Beback
I agree entirely with Carcharoth, and have been having the same thoughts for the past year. It's not even possible to momentarily delete an article from a template in order to see what other articles actually link to it, because the what links here can take days to update fully. It'd be really