Re: [WikiEN-l] Newyorkbrad's speech at Wikiconference New York

2009-09-18 Thread Charles Matthews
stevertigo wrote: Note also that I find your comment don't feed to be a bit.. vexing. I insist that you refrain from making such accusations to me or anyone else for that matter - particularly when you've demonstrated your substantial capacity to intimately misconstrue both the subject and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newyorkbrad's speech at Wikiconference New York

2009-09-18 Thread stevertigo
Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: OK, here's what I think. Let's hear it. You have shown you are prepared to troll on this list and others. You are no doubt referring to unrelated issues with regard to certain officers. The issues I raised all dealt with obvious lapses in

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newyorkbrad's speech at Wikiconference New York

2009-09-18 Thread Cary Bass
stevertigo wrote: Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: This would be another swipe at [Officer] - don't feed. No, Charles, it was not a swipe at [Officer]. If it was a swipe at anything corporeal all, it was at the way BLP paranoia and the BLP-police-state often

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newyorkbrad's speech at Wikiconference New York

2009-09-18 Thread stevertigo
Cary Bass c...@wikimedia.org wrote: No, Charles, it was not a swipe at [Officer]. If it was a swipe at anything corporeal all, it was at the way BLP paranoia and the BLP-police-state often appears to bring about an institutional violation of our most core policies. As in the case of the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newyorkbrad's speech at Wikiconference New York

2009-09-17 Thread Charles Matthews
Steve Bennett wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:51 AM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: Also, let's not forget, the point of BLP was to give the OFFICE a reason to continue existing. Wtf? This sounds like a bold, nasty claim, but perhaps I'm not understanding what you're implying.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newyorkbrad's speech at Wikiconference New York

2009-09-17 Thread Charles Matthews
Actually a point I felt was missing from NYB's talk, which took privacy as general theme, was this: as we know from WP:NOT, Wikipedia is not concerned with indiscriminate information. This ought to provide some clear blue water between us and popular journalism, which actually uses

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newyorkbrad's speech at Wikiconference New York

2009-09-17 Thread Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia)
This is a very valid point in terms of another way of approaching the issue. (In evaluating the speech for completeness, do bear in mind that I only had a certain amount of time and couldn't make every possible point, but I should have found room for this one.) Newyorkbrad On Thu, Sep 17, 2009

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newyorkbrad's speech at Wikiconference New York

2009-09-17 Thread stevertigo
Steve Bennett wrote: Wtf? This sounds like a bold, nasty claim, but perhaps I'm not understanding what you're implying. What are you trying to say, exactly? Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: This would be another swipe at [Officer] - don't feed. No, Charles, it was not a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newyorkbrad's speech at Wikiconference New York

2009-09-16 Thread Charles Matthews
stevertigo wrote: Saw it. Liked most of it. Diffuse, weaker on facts than theory? So Wikipedia Review gets credited with the idea of attack page, or something. Oddly, I think we knew all that anyway, or at least the rudiments of the debate, pre-BLP qua policy. But that could be one for

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newyorkbrad's speech at Wikiconference New York

2009-09-16 Thread stevertigo
Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Diffuse, weaker on facts than theory? Hm. People strong on facts, are typically weak on the theory, and vice versa (and so on). Also, let's not forget, the point of BLP was to give the OFFICE a reason to continue existing. (That, and of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newyorkbrad's speech at Wikiconference New York

2009-09-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:51 AM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: Also, let's not forget, the point of BLP was to give the OFFICE a reason to continue existing. Wtf? This sounds like a bold, nasty claim, but perhaps I'm not understanding what you're implying. What are you trying to say,

[WikiEN-l] Newyorkbrad's speech at Wikiconference New York

2009-09-13 Thread Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia)
Readers of this list who have not already seen or heard it may be interested in a talk I gave in July at the 2009 Wikiconference New York. The (somewhat pompous) title of the talk is Wikipedia, the Internet, and the Future of Privacy.The video of that talk has now been posted and is available at:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newyorkbrad's speech at Wikiconference New York

2009-09-13 Thread Steve Bennett
237mb downloadable in Ogg format - is there not a streaming version somewhere? On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 3:57 AM, Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) newyorkb...@gmail.com wrote: Privacy.The video of that talk has now been posted and is available at: