Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-09 Thread Sam Blacketer
The latest news is souding hopeful: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/dec/09/wikipedia-censorship-iwf-reconsiders -- Sam Blacketer ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-09 Thread Isabell Long
2008/12/9 Sam Blacketer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The latest news is souding hopeful: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/dec/09/wikipedia-censorship-iwf-reconsiders That's good to know, thanks for that! Lets hope they do unblock it. Isabell. -- Regards, Isabell Long. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-08 Thread Oskar Sigvardsson
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 6:31 PM, David Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's now mainstream. IWF representative to be present. I look forward to dropping in the line Wikipedia smells of hammers. ([[Brass Eye]]) Very nice! I liked the The FBI told them to go away-line :) I might be biased, but I

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-08 Thread K. Peachey
If it has been posted to the discussion already i'm sorry, heres a link to the discussion http://www.bathrobecabal.org/bbcinterview.mp3 ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-08 Thread Todd Allen
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 2:44 AM, Cormac Lawler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/8/08, K. Peachey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it has been posted to the discussion already i'm sorry, heres a link to the discussion http://www.bathrobecabal.org/bbcinterview.mp3 I just get silence on that link -

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-08 Thread Todd Allen
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 2:56 AM, David Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/12/8 K. Peachey [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If it has been posted to the discussion already i'm sorry, heres a link to the discussion http://www.bathrobecabal.org/bbcinterview.mp3 Yeah, they pushed it to last in the

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-08 Thread Thomas Dalton
2008/12/8 Durova [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Overall, good. I'll also be blunt: the 'experiment' speculation at the end handed her a very strong close for the end of the interview. Everyone's a critic (and these things are so much easier to second guess after the fact), yet if another interview such

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Thomas Dalton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/12/8 Durova [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Overall, good. I'll also be blunt: the 'experiment' speculation at the end handed her a very strong close for the end of the interview. Everyone's a critic (and these things are so

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-08 Thread Durova
The point is that this group goes around preventing other people from accessing this or that, and neither the website nor the visitors get a fair notification. The way they handled this one was loopy, and if Wikipedia didn't have such heavy traffic it probably would have gone unnoticed. So what

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-08 Thread David Gerard
2008/12/8 Durova [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The point is that this group goes around preventing other people from accessing this or that, and neither the website nor the visitors get a fair notification. The way they handled this one was loopy, and if Wikipedia didn't have such heavy traffic it

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-08 Thread geni
2008/12/8 Durova [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The point is that this group goes around preventing other people from accessing this or that, and neither the website nor the visitors get a fair notification. The way they handled this one was loopy, and if Wikipedia didn't have such heavy traffic it

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-08 Thread KillerChihuahua
Oskar Sigvardsson wrote: snip It's like that Voltaire-quote. You know which one I'm talking about (I'm not gonna actually say it, because only douchebags actually say it). --Oskar /snip Does that mean I have to defend to the death your right /not/ to say it, so as to assist you in your

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-08 Thread Ray Saintonge
Thomas Dalton wrote: 2008/12/8 Gregory Maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Thomas Dalton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/12/8 Durova [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Overall, good. I'll also be blunt: the 'experiment' speculation at the end handed her a very strong

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-08 Thread Andrew Gray
2008/12/8 Thomas Dalton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Apparently there is a way to appeal, but from I can tell nobody wants to tell us what it is. Going on the Today program is traditionally a pretty effective way to challenge any decision by a public body :-) -- - Andrew Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-08 Thread KillerChihuahua
Oh, I loved the Amazon has money and will sue, and (WP) is an educational charity.. - so pleased you were able to wedge that in, David! ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-08 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 12/7/2008 2:25:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But child porn? please. Whomever that image /arouses/ belongs on a sex offender registry. --- Sure when we finalize the ink on the thought police. But until then, you

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-08 Thread Durova
Yes, very good. :) On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:56 PM, David Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/12/8 KillerChihuahua [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Oh, I loved the Amazon has money and will sue, and (WP) is an educational charity.. - so pleased you were able to wedge that in, David! Yes. It stops

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-08 Thread Ian Woollard
On 08/12/2008, Sam Blacketer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Further comments about how the IWF just ensured that millions go to see the cover in order to work out what all the fuss is about. Millions of people may just be an exaggeration. Yeah, looks like only ~500K hits on the article so far:

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-08 Thread Thomas Dalton
2008/12/9 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In a message dated 12/7/2008 1:35:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On second thought, those pics would be derivative works of the cover and hence not acceptable for Commons. -- A derivative work must pass the

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-08 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 12/8/2008 4:48:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If the album cover is the key feature of the picture (which it would be, since that's the point of making the picture) then it could well be enough. I think it would be a hard

[WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-07 Thread David Gerard
It's now mainstream. IWF representative to be present. I look forward to dropping in the line Wikipedia smells of hammers. ([[Brass Eye]]) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-07 Thread John Reaves
Will this be available online anywhere (either as a live stream or archived)? On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:31 AM, David Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's now mainstream. IWF representative to be present. I look forward to dropping in the line Wikipedia smells of hammers. ([[Brass Eye]]) -

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-07 Thread Al Tally
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 5:40 PM, John Reaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will this be available online anywhere (either as a live stream or archived)? https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/default.stm Yes. -- Alex (User:Majorly)

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-07 Thread David Gerard
I think the BBC make everything available on their site for a week. Someone recording it and putting up an ogg would be nice! 2008/12/7 John Reaves [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Will this be available online anywhere (either as a live stream or archived)? On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:31 AM, David Gerard

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-07 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 12:31 PM, David Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's now mainstream. IWF representative to be present. I look forward to dropping in the line Wikipedia smells of hammers. ([[Brass Eye]]) Apparently the image is on the the deluxe boxed set sold everywhere,

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-07 Thread Durova
It could be interesting if Wikimedians around the planet uploaded pictures of themselves holding the cover. :) On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Gregory Maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 12:31 PM, David Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's now mainstream. IWF

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-07 Thread Durova
On second thought, those pics would be derivative works of the cover and hence not acceptable for Commons. It could be worthwhile, though, to have a contact point for accepting such material. On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Durova [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It could be interesting if Wikimedians

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
2008/12/7 Durova [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On second thought, those pics would be derivative works of the cover and hence not acceptable for Commons. It could be worthwhile, though, to have a contact point for accepting such material. Yes, they couldn't go on commons, but they would almost certainly

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-07 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Thomas Dalton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/12/7 Durova [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On second thought, those pics would be derivative works of the cover and hence not acceptable for Commons. It could be worthwhile, though, to have a contact point for accepting such

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-07 Thread KillerChihuahua
Lemme know when its on youtube so I can give it a listen. :-D David Gerard wrote: It's now mainstream. IWF representative to be present. I look forward to dropping in the line Wikipedia smells of hammers. ([[Brass Eye]]) - d. ___ WikiEN-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-07 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 12:31 PM, David Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's now mainstream. IWF representative to be present. I look forward to dropping in the line Wikipedia smells of hammers. ([[Brass Eye]]) http://toolserver.org/~str4nd/virgin-killer-chart.png [[Streisand effect]] ?

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-07 Thread Durova
English Wikipedia strictures on nonfree image use would reduce the number of acceptable images to a minimum. Unless this is a fair application of IAR, it would be more effective for David Gerard to have a *large* number of photos of volunteer editors from around the globe, proudly demonstrating

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-07 Thread Oskar Sigvardsson
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Gregory Maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 12:31 PM, David Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's now mainstream. IWF representative to be present. I look forward to dropping in the line Wikipedia smells of hammers. ([[Brass Eye]])

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-07 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Oskar Sigvardsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Gregory Maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 12:31 PM, David Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's now mainstream. IWF representative to be present. I look forward to

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-07 Thread Oskar Sigvardsson
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Durova [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: English Wikipedia strictures on nonfree image use would reduce the number of acceptable images to a minimum. Unless this is a fair application of IAR, it would be more effective for David Gerard to have a *large* number of

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
2008/12/7 Oskar Sigvardsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Durova [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: English Wikipedia strictures on nonfree image use would reduce the number of acceptable images to a minimum. Unless this is a fair application of IAR, it would be more effective for

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-07 Thread Sam Blacketer
Don't know if this is any use but a press search dug up an entry in The Sun's WWW column from 18 January this year. zonicweb.net/badalbmcvrs/index.htm WHAT IS IT? The Museum Of Bad Album Covers - an online collection of the worst sleeve art ever committed to cardboard. WHAT'S ON OFFER? Ever

Re: [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am

2008-12-07 Thread James Farrar
2008/12/8 Sam Blacketer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Covered in the Guardian's Technology blog in a very sympathetic way: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2008/dec/08/internet The Scorpions album was released in 1976, so it's amazing to think that civilisation has managed to survive for more