On 09/11/12 8:23 AM, Nathan wrote:
That comment sounds like it was written by Peter Damian. Not everyone,
even Wikipedians, recognize or keep in mind the fact that there is a
subversive principle (or really, many) underlying the Wikipedia model.
It intentionally does not offer deference to
On 11 September 2012 16:23, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
That comment sounds like it was written by Peter Damian. Not everyone,
even Wikipedians, recognize or keep in mind the fact that there is a
subversive principle (or really, many) underlying the Wikipedia model.
It intentionally does
Catchphrase from
http://infteam.jiscinvolve.org/wp/2012/09/10/eduwiki/
which in itself is an interesting roundup from the EduWiki conference last
week. Does pedants welcome imply experts unwelcome? Please have your
essays in by the end of the weekend.
Charles
On 12 September 2012 16:50, Matthew Jacobs sxeptoman...@gmail.com wrote:
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:34:26 +0100
From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] VIP Treatment
On 11 September 2012 17:29, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
It seems I have
On 12 September 2012 16:50, Matthew Jacobs sxeptoman...@gmail.com wrote:
One problem with that approach is that OTRS is not seen as representative
of WP; the administrators are. If the admins are widely perceived as being
dicks (probably because way to many of them behave like dicks a large
On 12 September 2012 17:08, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12 September 2012 16:50, Matthew Jacobs sxeptoman...@gmail.com wrote:
One problem with that approach is that OTRS is not seen as representative
of WP; the administrators are. If the admins are widely perceived as
being
UTRS was created because handling ip unblock requests on OTRS would violate
our privacy policy
On Sep 12, 2012 6:17 PM, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com
wrote:
On 12 September 2012 17:08, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12 September 2012 16:50, Matthew Jacobs
On 12 September 2012 17:16, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote:
I figured out where; there is also UTRS (note the U) which is
a separately maintained support tool (staffed by English Wikipedia admins)
for requesting unblocks.
We probably need to look into how people are
How exactly? On OTRS we handle much more sensitive private info :-)
Tom Morton
On 12 Sep 2012, at 17:26, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote:
UTRS was created because handling ip unblock requests on OTRS would violate
our privacy policy
On Sep 12, 2012 6:17 PM, Thomas Morton
I have no idea, but legal was sure.
On Sep 12, 2012 6:28 PM, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com
wrote:
How exactly? On OTRS we handle much more sensitive private info :-)
Tom Morton
On 12 Sep 2012, at 17:26, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com
wrote:
UTRS was created
why should they
bother
politely pointing someone to OTRS, much less spend time and effort trying
to be diplomatic themselves?
Sxeptomaniac
Because they are decent capable people, take pride in doing a good job,
and are concerned about the accuracy and reputation of Wikipedia.
Fred
How exactly? On OTRS we handle much more sensitive private info :-)
Tom Morton
Checkuser may be employed in either instance if there is a good reason,
such as an apparent sock puppet or abuse of multiple accounts.
Fred
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On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.netwrote:
VIPs expect to deal with another VIP, with authority to get things fixed,
with a word, even if the rules have to be bent a bit. That is the way of
the world. We, particularly a random community member they are
On 12 September 2012 18:32, Jim Redmond j...@scrubnugget.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net
wrote:
VIPs expect to deal with another VIP, with authority to get things fixed,
with a word, even if the rules have to be bent a bit. That is the way of
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Charles Matthews
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
If something gets into OTRS and is from
a household name, it would be sensible to have it passed to someone with a
lot of experience, but I don't know if that is part of the system.
Of course, we'd
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Charles Matthews
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
If something gets into OTRS and is from
a household name, it would be sensible to have it passed to someone
with a
lot of experience, but I don't know if that is part of the system.
Of course, we'd
On 12 September 2012 18:32, Jim Redmond j...@scrubnugget.com wrote:
For what it's worth, this is not just a VIP behavior. Most people assume
that Wikipedia has centralized control over content, and they want Someone
In Charge to fix things for them. (cf. all the people who e-mail Jimbo
asking
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:07:03 -0600 (MDT)
From: Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] VIP Treatment
why should they
bother
politely pointing someone to OTRS, much less spend time and effort trying
to be diplomatic themselves?
Sxeptomaniac
Because they are
Courtesy and taking complaints seriously (initially, at least) should be
standard practice, not VIP treatment.
On Sep 12, 2012 7:17 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Charles Matthews
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
If something gets
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 11:07:03 -0600 (MDT)
From: Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] VIP Treatment
why should they
bother
politely pointing someone to OTRS, much less spend time and effort trying
to be diplomatic themselves?
Sxeptomaniac
Because they are
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
How exactly? On OTRS we handle much more sensitive private info :-)
Tom Morton
Checkuser may be employed in either instance if there is a good reason,
such as an apparent sock puppet or abuse of multiple accounts.
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Charles Matthews
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
If something gets into OTRS and is from
a household name, it would be sensible to have it passed to someone
with a
lot of
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