[WikiEN-l] Can I interview you about the deletion process on EN-WP?

2011-05-12 Thread Jodi Schneider
Hello (and please pardon the crossposting), I am a Ph.D. researcher at the Digital Enterprise Research Institute in Galway, Ireland. My Ph.D. topic is online discussions, specifically the reasoning and arguments people use. I am currently studying Articles for Deletion in English Wikipedia, to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Otto Middleton (a morality tale)

2011-05-12 Thread Mark
On 5/11/11 2:40 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: A while ago there was a discussion at WP:V talk whether we should recast the policy's opening sentence: The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth— whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been

Re: [WikiEN-l] Otto Middleton (a morality tale)

2011-05-12 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Mark, I agree that verifiability, not truth has done a good job in keeping out original research of the kind you describe. I just think that the situation with regard to OR is no longer what it was five years ago -- there has long been a critical mass of editors who know that Wikipedia is not

Re: [WikiEN-l] Otto Middleton (a morality tale)

2011-05-12 Thread Ian Woollard
On 12/05/2011, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote: Mark, I agree that verifiability, not truth has done a good job in keeping out original research of the kind you describe. I just think that the situation with regard to OR is no longer what it was five years ago -- there has long been a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Otto Middleton (a morality tale)

2011-05-12 Thread Scott MacDonald
-Original Message- From: wikien-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikien-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Ian Woollard Sent: 12 May 2011 23:56 To: English Wikipedia Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Otto Middleton (a morality tale) You see I would argue precisely the opposite; I

Re: [WikiEN-l] Otto Middleton (a morality tale)

2011-05-12 Thread Scott MacDonald
Yup. But my point is celebrity stories in newspapers, if they use unnamed or unattributable sources, are not reliable and should never amount to verification. We might as well source things from random internet blogs and claim: but this is verification (it may be true or not, but we don't care

Re: [WikiEN-l] Otto Middleton (a morality tale)

2011-05-12 Thread Carl (CBM)
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Scott MacDonald doc.wikipe...@ntlworld.com wrote: But my point is celebrity stories in newspapers, if they use unnamed or unattributable sources, are not reliable and should never amount to verification. Unfortunately, the current language of WP:V not only

Re: [WikiEN-l] Otto Middleton (a morality tale)

2011-05-12 Thread Andreas Kolbe
--- On Fri, 13/5/11, Carl (CBM) cbm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Verification not truth must not be a suicide pact and certainly not an excuse for sloppy publishing of gossip on BLPS. The idea that someone cannot challenge a source fact simply because they doubt its truth is very useful,