I would second this. In addition, I believe we should allow
borderline-notable people to opt out of having a biography, to prevent the
sort of drama we are currently having with the Hawkins biography.
Otherwise, we are digging our own graves. As we all know, editor numbers
are stagnating, or
On 23 March 2012 15:06, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
- We need fewer biographies.
- We need to give borderline-notable people (people like Hawkins; not MPs)
an easy opt-out.
- We could probably benefit from making real-life name registration
mandatory for BLP editing, and
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Charles Matthews
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
*We are currently lousy at judging ephemeral notability, and issues
around it seem to be classic time-sinks. There is a bigger picture here,
and digging around in older biographical dictionaries can help
On 24 March 2012 11:25, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Charles Matthews
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
*We are currently lousy at judging ephemeral notability, and issues
around it seem to be classic time-sinks. There is a bigger picture
On 24 March 2012 11:37, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
On 24 March 2012 11:25, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
snip
The point about Wikipedia (for BLPs) being ahead of the proper sources
to use is another excellent one. There is a natural progression to
biographical sources
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 11:37 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
Zee problem with this standard is that it would preclude having an
article on the person currently running mali (admittedly the article
isn't up to much but I think it could be argued that we should at
least try).
There is
I should add that on re-reading, I see the irony in suggesting working
with the article subject when that person is someone who has just
taken over a country. Handling stuff like that is more difficult, I
admit. And some people are famous enough that the question of working
'with them' is silly
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Carcharoth
carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
The famous people have lots of other stuff out there about them, so
are not that worried about their Wikipedia article. The borderline
notable people, though, have their Wikipedia article as they number
one
The problem's with biographical information range from undue weight to
the accumulation of dirt from the tabloids. But some of the solutions
offered would fix the wrong problem and possibly make things worse.
Generally in my experience the bios of sportspeople rarely get hostile
edits, at least
I think it is important to remember why we're doing this. Our purpose
isn't the judge people's notability. Our purpose is to provide useful
information to people. It is clear from the page views they get that
BLPs are useful to people. As long as there are sufficient reliable
sources to write more
Wikipedia seems to be down...
http://wikistatus.ezyang.com/
Anyone know what's happening?
Carcharoth
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On 24 March 2012 16:23, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
I do think we have a problem with writing about things too soon, but
it isn't so extreme that we should wait until people are retired or
dead to write about them. I did have a policy proposal prepared a few
years ago that I
No problems here ...
Darrell (HangingCurve/Blueboy96)
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Wikipedia seems to be
On 24 March 2012 17:51, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
You're not going to get that through for general events (natural
disasters or revolutions), because they've long been heralded as one
of en:wp's great strengths.
But they *should* be one of Wikinews' greatest strengths, not
I couldn't reach it either.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 24, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Darrell Lucus carolinabluebo...@yahoo.com wrote:
No problems here ...
Darrell (HangingCurve/Blueboy96)
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On 24 March 2012 18:13, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
On 24 March 2012 17:51, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
You're not going to get that through for general events (natural
disasters or revolutions), because they've long been heralded as one
of en:wp's great strengths.
On 24 March 2012 16:28, Darrell Lucus carolinabluebo...@yahoo.com wrote:
No problems here ...
There's been intermittent problems, which are apparently being looked
into. There's a Village Pump thread and a wikitech-l thread talking
about it.
- d.
On 24 March 2012 18:18, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
Wikinews suffers sufficient gatekeepers that it doesn't attract a
froth of contributors the way Wikipedia does. It could do with some
statistical and experimental loving from the Foundation, if anyone
feels up to putting a proposal
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it is important to remember why we're doing this. Our purpose
isn't the judge people's notability. Our purpose is to provide useful
information to people. It is clear from the page views they get that
BLPs
On 24 March 2012 19:42, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
I think it is important to remember why we're doing this. Our purpose
isn't the judge people's notability. Our purpose is to provide useful
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedian.png
By Guillaume Paumier.
- d.
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On 24 March 2012 16:23, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it is important to remember why we're doing this. Our purpose
isn't the judge people's notability. Our purpose is to provide useful
information to people. It is clear from the page views they get that
BLPs are useful
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