[WikiEN-l] mailman3 and shutting down wikien-l

This list has been dormant for several years now - all traffic has been multiply-cc'ed announcements. As such, I'm going to recommend that with the mailman3 upgrade (which is finally happening!), we shut and archive this list. Past posts should still be available - this list is important

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Ray Saintonge has died

-- Forwarded message -- From: Milos Rancic Date: 13 September 2016 at 17:00 Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Ray Saintonge has died To: Wikimedia Mailing List He died yesterday. As he was an important member of our community, I think we

Re: [WikiEN-l] Future of this mailing list

On 13 August 2015 at 16:01, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 13 August 2015 at 15:08, Brian J Mingus brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: Leave the list open! There are lots of important people subscribed, and you never know when an interesting conversation will pop up.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Future of this mailing list

being used for some discussion of block appeals, nothing was posted here for all of June and July? https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/ Yup. June 2015 and July 2015 join September 2014 as 'dead' months in the archives. :-) On 12/2/14, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com

Re: [WikiEN-l] Future of this mailing list

On 2 December 2014 at 10:12, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: I kinda like the separation between cross-project and cross-language issues on Wikimedia-L and the discussion about English Wikipedia, but if nobody is interested in the existence of this list, I won't be very sad

[WikiEN-l] A bunch of nobodies

Add evidence of your insignificance here! https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/A_bunch_of_nobodies - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata vs Wikipedia

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Re: [WikiEN-l] The Baader-Meinhof phenomenon is now well-known because it's been on Wikipedia for so long

On 28 March 2014 01:02, Richard Farmbrough rich...@farmbrough.co.uk wrote: On 08/03/2014 09:20, David Gerard wrote: I recall finding a list somewhere of article titles that got lots of hits but didn't have articles, but don't recall where. I may be misremembering of course. - d. https

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Help: 28 articles on women professors need infoboxes

-- Forwarded message -- From: Fæ fae...@gmail.com Date: 26 March 2014 16:36 Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Help: 28 articles on women professors need infoboxes To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediau...@lists.wikimedia.org Hi, I have not played around with en.wp infoboxes for yonks.

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Baader-Meinhof phenomenon is now well-known because it's been on Wikipedia for so long

On 5 March 2014 22:04, Brian J Mingus brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: Wikipedia's policies are irrelevant: This phenomenon has entered the lexicon, and is now well known simply due to its existence in Wikipedia. Since the phenomenon didn't have a well known name, I've been telling people

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Baader-Meinhof phenomenon is now well-known because it's been on Wikipedia for so long

On 8 March 2014 18:04, Brian J Mingus brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: The reason the name stuck is that Baader-Meinhof is a weird name, and one would not expect to see it multiple times independently in short succession. Hence the name Baader-Meinhof phenomenon (which is also the name of a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Tools for repointing reference dead links to archive.org?

On 3 February 2014 14:31, Delirium delir...@hackish.org wrote: On 1/27/14, 1:10 AM, David Gerard wrote: What I need to do is (a) find all the links (b) add archiveurl= (something on archive.org, which seems to have captured the whole site) and archivedate= . This bot used to do something

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile starting page design for Zero users

-- Forwarded message -- From: Yuri Astrakhan yastrak...@wikimedia.org Date: 6 December 2013 22:44 Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile starting page design for Zero users To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org, mobile-l mobil...@lists.wikimedia.org Zero

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] New - ScotWiki Mailing List!

-- Forwarded message -- From: Crockford, Ally a.crockf...@nls.uk Date: 23 October 2013 19:43 Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] New - ScotWiki Mailing List! To: wikimediau...@lists.wikimedia.org wikimediau...@lists.wikimedia.org I wanted to announce the creation of a new mailing list for

[WikiEN-l] Why writing biographies (e.g. on WIkipedia) is hard

http://www.scotusblog.com/2013/09/writing-biography-in-the-age-of-wikipedia-removing-a-shadow-from-the-life-of-justice-tom-clark/ - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Why writing biographies (e.g. on WIkipedia) is hard

I wasn't thinking so much in terms of Wikipedia itself, as the article being about one of the big problems with bios anywhere, including on Wikipedia. And particularly living bios. On 23 September 2013 17:58, Newyorkbrad newyorkb...@gmail.com wrote: I've NPOV'd the paragraph, and I will try to

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikitech-l] The Damned Commons Image Deletion Cycle

On 5 August 2013 08:53, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: I put wikien-l back in the cc list as these are non-technical proposals and would require ... I guess, commons process. I don't know what the commons list is, and am not on it to be able to post to it. commons-l, but the

[WikiEN-l] [tangential] Why voting is evil

Rick Falkvinge has been writing a book, Swarmwise, on how the Pirate Party organised. He's been posting it a chapter at a time to his blog. You know how Wikipedia/Wikimedia has (or had) the meme that voting is evil? This sets out why.

Re: [WikiEN-l] [tangential] Why voting is evil

On 1 July 2013 18:18, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: My approach for a very basic sanity check was to have three people agree on an idea as good for the swarm. One person can come up with ludicrous ideas, but I’ve never seen two more people agree on such ideas. Umm not consistent with beening

[WikiEN-l] Wikipedia in the '80s (video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=tqD9OCa8ywQ The title music is particularly frightening. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

Re: [WikiEN-l] So who's beta-testing the Visual Editor?

On 13 May 2013 05:38, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: As I think I commented elsewhere, the lack of references is a deal breaker for me, even for testing. A couple of times already I started making an edit with the VE, then went to add a reference...and hard to start over in the

[WikiEN-l] So who's beta-testing the Visual Editor?

This is all the Visual Editor edits in en:wp: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangestagfilter=visualeditor It's not many. So please switch it on (you can still click Edit source to do references and templates) and give it a good kicking. A bug discovered now saves

Re: [WikiEN-l] So who's beta-testing the Visual Editor?

On 11 May 2013 22:08, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Mmmm... so I know that it's the English Wikipedia mailing list, but I suppose that this won't hurt: In the Hebrew Wikipedia several people tried the VisualEditor. I counted seven newly reported bugs as a result of this,

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [EE] Notifications are now live on the English Wikipedia!

-- Forwarded message -- From: Fabrice Florin fflo...@wikimedia.org Date: 30 April 2013 21:22 Subject: [EE] Notifications are now live on the English Wikipedia! To: WMF Editor Engagement Team e...@lists.wikimedia.org Hello everyone, I am happy to announce that we just deployed

Re: [WikiEN-l] bizarre: Women Novelists Wikipedia

On 26 April 2013 12:15, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Category_intersection That's an old proposal, but is it becoming more feasible now? As I vaguely recall, the main barrier to treating categories as tags in the past was that

Re: [WikiEN-l] Tom Strickland - former United States Attorney for Colorado

On 15 April 2013 16:51, Latham, Brecke brecke.lat...@wilmerhale.com wrote: I am looking for a Wiki representative to assist in a change that needs to be made to Tom Strickland's Wikipedia pagehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Strickland. I need assistance because he requested that his page

Re: [WikiEN-l] Psychological correlates of deletionism/inclusionism?

On 14 April 2013 11:44, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Indeed. As is characteristic of false dichotomies. I was once asked by a prominent journalist where I stood on this. I replied that it was a boring question. And that once I had defined myself as deletionist on

Re: [WikiEN-l] Psychological correlates of deletionism/inclusionism?

On 14 April 2013 12:24, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Mmm, I remember that mail and whom I suggested ... I didn't see you in that thread ... who were you thinking of? I'm still quite deletionist on BLPs because of examples where our rules are too easy to game. I'm

Re: [WikiEN-l] Psychological correlates of deletionism/inclusionism?

On 14 April 2013 13:41, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: He certainly could have intervened in the arb com cases where I was vilified for my VfD comments, which I guess would be characterized as inclusionist. I think the overarching problem was that you spent several years being an

Re: [WikiEN-l] Psychological correlates of deletionism/inclusionism?

On 14 April 2013 14:04, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: As for the correlation of the oh shit graph to inclusionism/deletionism: A restriction of new article creation to registered users only was put in place in December 2005. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wikipedia ) In

Re: [WikiEN-l] Psychological correlates of deletionism/inclusionism?

On 14 April 2013 14:24, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: What needs to be explained more clearly is what took its place. I remember saying to Brianna Laugher at the time - she raised the point in Taipei, so was ahead of many of us - that people who like rules were

Re: [WikiEN-l] Psychological correlates of deletionism/inclusionism?

On 14 April 2013 14:21, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: We have Wales to thank for the absurd Articles for Creation process (Is that still around? I haven't checked in a long time.). Seems to me that constitutes a significant role in debates over inclusion deletion. Only by a stretch.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Psychological correlates of deletionism/inclusionism?

On 14 April 2013 14:29, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 April 2013 14:21, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: We have Wales to thank for the absurd Articles for Creation process (Is that still around? I haven't checked in a long time.). Seems to me that constitutes a significant

Re: [WikiEN-l] Psychological correlates of deletionism/inclusionism?

On 13 April 2013 23:42, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On 4/13/13, Gwern Branwen gw...@gwern.net wrote: My basic observation here is that inclusionism/deletionism debates seem intractable, like religion and politics, which have long been correlated with a variety of mental and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Psychological correlates of deletionism/inclusionism?

On 14 April 2013 01:29, Gwern Branwen gw...@gwern.net wrote: On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Jimbo and Angela did not play a significant role in debates over inclusion and deletion Indeed, that was my point. I don't think they did anything, or

Re: [WikiEN-l] Larry Sanger's new project

On 14 February 2013 13:51, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: A commercial enterprise a bit like a wiki or a blog that's a way to crowdsource *high-quality* information. http://columbus.craigslist.org/eng/3614099241.html Splash page up now: http://infobitt.com/ - d

Re: [WikiEN-l] Larry Sanger's new project

On 21 February 2013 11:34, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like he want's to build a megaproject in a huge go, no evolutionary steps at all, and then see if anyone likes the behemoth of a constructed reality straight-jacket. Well, it worked for Citizendium.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Larry Sanger's new project

On 21 February 2013 19:00, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: More a failure of nerve; when he did not attract experts in the field he gave authority to 2nd rate people. Present company excepted, of course. He attracted academics, then he and the constables drove them away.

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Lua rollout to en.wikipedia.org and a few others

COMPREHENSIBLE TEMPLATES!!! -- Forwarded message -- From: Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org Date: 15 February 2013 20:33 Subject: [Wikitech-l] Lua rollout to en.wikipedia.org and a few others To: Wikimedia developers wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org,

[WikiEN-l] Larry Sanger's new project

A commercial enterprise a bit like a wiki or a blog that's a way to crowdsource *high-quality* information. http://columbus.craigslist.org/eng/3614099241.html - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this

Re: [WikiEN-l] Larry Sanger's new project

On 14 February 2013 14:20, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:51 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: A commercial enterprise a bit like a wiki or a blog that's a way to crowdsource *high-quality* information. http://columbus.craigslist.org/eng

Re: [WikiEN-l] Larry Sanger's new project

On 14 February 2013 15:15, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: That job ad is so awesome I had to save it for posterity. Work as a programmer slash executive assistant, for free! Be available 24 hours a day at a moments notice! Weekends off? Forget it! Mediocre candidates need not apply! Work for

Re: [WikiEN-l] Larry Sanger's new project

On 14 February 2013 15:15, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: That job ad is so awesome I had to save it for posterity. Work as a programmer slash executive assistant, for free! Be available 24 hours a day at a moments notice! Weekends off? Forget it! Mediocre candidates need not apply! Work for

Re: [WikiEN-l] Larry Sanger's new project

On 14 February 2013 15:49, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: He's not wrong; if it is possible to effectively mobilize the world's best experts in a major widely supported crowd sourcing project it could be awesome. Any Wikipedia editor knows from experience that from time to time you

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Victorian-era Dictionary of National Biography digitised on Wikisource

-- Forwarded message -- From: Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com Date: 12 February 2013 08:14 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Victorian-era Dictionary of National Biography digitised on Wikisource To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediau...@lists.wikimedia.org On 11

Re: [WikiEN-l] Skin / interface appearance

On 12 February 2013 17:24, Matthew Bowker matthewrbowker.w...@me.com wrote: I'm seeing some lost stylesheets in Firefox Nightly. Is that what you were describing? Yeah. When the css goes, that'll be bits.wikimedia.org being flaky. - d. ___

[WikiEN-l] If someone gave you the entirety of Wikipedia from 100 years in the future for only 10 minutes, what would you read?

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/18dcov/if_someone_gave_you_the_entirety_of_wikipedia/ - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

Re: [WikiEN-l] If someone gave you the entirety of Wikipedia from 100 years in the future for only 10 minutes, what would you read?

On 12 February 2013 23:05, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: PS. You might find that the page(s) you chose to read had been protected for years, or was in the middle of an edit war. Or that the entire encyclopedia had been 'checked' and published and was 'finished'? Would that be

Re: [WikiEN-l] Is this a trademark violation?

On 8 February 2013 13:47, Daniel R. Tobias d...@tobias.name wrote: I just ran into this Twitter account: https://twitter.com/Wikipedia411 However, it is trademark law they are most clearly afoul of; despite I understand WMF is on the case :-) - d.

Re: [WikiEN-l] How to write about things that were once notable?

On 6 February 2013 08:20, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Pownce is clearly a footnote by now. One of WP's purposes is to host such footnotes. So the writing issue boils down to reducing froth to footnote coverage. I went on a massive cleanup of [[OpenOffice]]

Re: [WikiEN-l] How to write about things that were once notable?

On 6 February 2013 18:46, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On 2/6/13, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Nevertheless something that is never mentioned in a nonfiction book or journal article over 250 years could be said to have dropped from the canon of knowledge and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

On 1 February 2013 10:05, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: yet another one requires JavaScript (though it has more features; check icons on top): http://toolserver.org/~magnus/redefined/?page=Barack_Obama Looks nice! Feels a bit visually busy ... maybe not being used to it.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

On 1 February 2013 10:16, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: This page appears to break it: https://toolserver.org/~magnus/redefined/?page=Factory%20Benelux%20discograpjhy Well, *that* link is a typo. This link loads the article: https://toolserver.org/~magnus/redefined/?page=Factory

[WikiEN-l] Editor Engagement list

via Steven Walling: the internal team list, now a public list. https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

On 29 January 2013 11:46, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: * The header hits a common problem - treating read/talk/edit/history as four different interfaces to the same page, while they're really three interfaces to the page (read/edit/history) and one link to another page (talk)

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

On 29 January 2013 12:10, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I couldn't find a way to comment to the designer to point them to this thread or to the WP redesigns page ... can anyone else work out Dribble's exquisitely-designed interface? I found my way to the designer's website

[WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

I found this one visually appealing: http://dribbble.com/wirwoluf/projects/104912-wikipedia-redesign No doubt others will now take it apart :-) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

On 28 January 2013 22:17, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: There is an ideal column width for readability, which is well understood in newspaper publishing but less so in books and even less so on the web. I think its around 10 words. Trouble there is that newspapers are portrait and have

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

On 28 January 2013 21:59, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: One thing this and previous designs agree upon is to use a three-column layout for content. On today's wide screens, reduced line length for the main text should improve readability, and still use the side columns

[WikiEN-l] Strawpoll on new RFC on Requests For Adminship

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship#New_RfC - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

[WikiEN-l] Reference-handling tools?

So I dived in with the editorial axe to fix up the horrible [[OpenOffice]]. It's almost not awful now, so that's nice. Like many such articles, it has a couple of hundred references. A lot of these are bare URLs (mostly because I didn't fill out the entire {{cite}} template) and there may or may

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reference-handling tools?

On 1 January 2013 11:57, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Now, we have computers to handle this sort of thing. Is there a list of useful tools for cleaning up references other than by hand? Looks like the mother lode: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Citation_tools - d

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia in albanian

On 25 December 2012 08:21, Muhamed Mehmeti medi.mehm...@hotmail.com wrote: With all respect that Ihave for your valuable site,and with no intention to misrespect any other language,I ask you why is missing wikipedia in albanian since you have more readers among albanians,than

Re: [WikiEN-l] List admin

On 24 December 2012 12:46, Richard Farmbrough rich...@farmbrough.co.uk wrote: Can a list admin please investigate why I'm not receiving anything from this list? Because there hasn't been any. http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2012-December/thread.html - d.

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia

Experienced editors who are feeling intrepid ... -- Forwarded message -- From: James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org Date: 12 December 2012 03:30 Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Alpha version of the VisualEditor now available on the English Wikipedia To: Wikimedia developers

Re: [WikiEN-l] Yet another PR company busted ... apparently it's all our fault

On 16 November 2012 14:38, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but we must not forget that PR people are not the only people who use Wikipedia to do things wrong. By operating the completely open system we do, we enable *anyone* to do wrong, be they PR or staff working for a company,

[WikiEN-l] Yet another PR company busted ... apparently it's all our fault

Yet another PR company busted: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/9671471/Finsbury-edited-Alisher-Usmanovs-Wikipedia-page.html http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/business/industries/telecoms/article3597035.ece (you can read the article text in View source)

Re: [WikiEN-l] Yet another PR company busted ... apparently it's all our fault

On 12 November 2012 14:56, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 12 November 2012 13:54, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: We won't win a moral argument; they are breaking the social contract of a website. We regularly defame people.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Yet another PR company busted ... apparently it's all our fault

On 12 November 2012 15:45, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: Note, in other words, that the defence of the PR editing here is entirely deflection To an extent. It also represents frustration along the lines of: whenever one of us does a bad thing we get lambasted in the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Improving dialogue between editors and tech people

On 26 October 2012 09:25, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: If a million dollars of the annual IT budget was set aside for projects that the community could suggest and prioritise via a page on meta, then the relationship between IT and the community would be transformed,

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] The new narrowed focus by WMF

-- Forwarded message -- From: Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com Date: 18 October 2012 13:48 Subject: [Wikimedia-l] The new narrowed focus by WMF To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org Hi Sue Gardner started working on this document on Meta a couple of weeks ago -

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Page Curation launch on English Wikipedia

Special:NewPagesFeed is fantastic, by the way. Click on an article and see what you get. -- Forwarded message -- From: Fabrice Florin fflo...@wikimedia.org Date: 26 September 2012 02:02 Subject: [Wikitech-l] Page Curation launch on English Wikipedia To:

Re: [WikiEN-l] VIP Treatment

On 14 September 2012 19:39, Matthew Jacobs sxeptoman...@gmail.com wrote: I never claimed it was a new idea. I'm aware various versions are brought up, though people often try to tinker with it and end up making it more complicated than it needs to be. I was asked what I think would help fix

Re: [WikiEN-l] VIP Treatment

On 12 September 2012 16:50, Matthew Jacobs sxeptoman...@gmail.com wrote: One problem with that approach is that OTRS is not seen as representative of WP; the administrators are. If the admins are widely perceived as being dicks (probably because way to many of them behave like dicks a large

Re: [WikiEN-l] VIP Treatment

On 12 September 2012 17:16, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: I figured out where; there is also UTRS (note the U) which is a separately maintained support tool (staffed by English Wikipedia admins) for requesting unblocks. We probably need to look into how people are

Re: [WikiEN-l] VIP Treatment

On 12 September 2012 18:32, Jim Redmond j...@scrubnugget.com wrote: For what it's worth, this is not just a VIP behavior. Most people assume that Wikipedia has centralized control over content, and they want Someone In Charge to fix things for them. (cf. all the people who e-mail Jimbo asking

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a rampant porn problem

On 11 September 2012 09:13, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: Could we get an official statement to the effect that third-party censorship controls such as this are contrary to the clear and explicit wishes of the Wikipedia communities and Foundation that content decisions be an

Re: [WikiEN-l] VIP Treatment

On 11 September 2012 17:05, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: It's a new topic. Addresses the general question rather than rehashing Roth. Correct. When the topic changes substantially, the subject line should change. (wikien-l has been very bad for this in the past.) - d.

Re: [WikiEN-l] insanely stupid thing to post

On 8 September 2012 14:21, Kathleen McCook klmcc...@gmail.com wrote: When I sent a post I get a message that it was being held for moderation; then this gets posted. Is there something one does to be unmoderated? Everyone starts moderated. I clear the mod queue each morning and unmoderate

Re: [WikiEN-l] attitude- elderly man googling

On 9 September 2012 22:20, Kathleen McCook klmcc...@gmail.com wrote: I sense the raised (ironic) eyebrow in this question and since you know the answer, I need not tell you, I think it was a genuine question, and one I had too. - d. ___ WikiEN-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] BBC article on Roth novel and Wikipedia article

On 8 September 2012 13:22, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: I noticed that the article makes the (very common) error/assumption that administrators exercise some sort of editorial control, when (in principle), it is editors that exercise editorial control (when the editorial

Re: [WikiEN-l] BBC article on Roth novel and Wikipedia article

On 8 September 2012 13:48, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: That is the sort of thing that happens in a monarchy like England or North Korea, idiots in charge... something that really pissed off George Washington. Fred, that's really an insanely stupid thing to post. - d.

Re: [WikiEN-l] SEARCHING FOR MARK ANDREW GREEN

On 28 August 2012 12:59, Wyatt Lucas darthyut...@gmail.com wrote: As a new user of the Wikipedia it would be my humble request for you to link me up with my long lost friend, mentor and high school teacher who taught me together with his wife Sue green while they were here in Kenya on the

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Mozilla teams up with Wikimedia UK for an Editathon - 18 August, London

-- Forwarded message -- From: Daria Cybulska daria.cybul...@wikimedia.org.uk Date: 30 July 2012 09:45 Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Mozilla teams up with Wikimedia UK for an Editathon - 18 August, London To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediau...@lists.wikimedia.org Dear All,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Mozilla teams up with Wikimedia UK for an Editathon - 18 August, London

On 30 July 2012 14:49, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: PPS. It strikes me that what I said here is better said on the wikimediauk-l mailing list. Is it possible to subscribe to that without having joined WM-UK? Yeah, it's just an ordinary Wikimedia mailing list. For Wikimedians

Re: [WikiEN-l] Categorisation by gender

On 18 July 2012 10:47, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: I remember it being referred to many years ago as long-standing practice, but I've dug around a bit in the discussion archives and can't seem to pin it down. It's probably pre-2004, maybe even pre-2003 - anyone remember? As

Re: [WikiEN-l] Central location for article content queries and requests

On 3 July 2012 12:27, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: That would have been Wikipedia:Content noticeboard However, hardly anyone used it or monitored it, so it was a neglected corner. We need central places which are used and monitored even if the stuff on them is not finely

Re: [WikiEN-l] Central location for article content queries and requests

On 3 July 2012 13:11, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: I suppose there is some obscure section of OTRS that does that already. Not that even someone who has OTRS access could find the stovepipe. I thought there was a boilerplate response on content issues (other than legal or BLP)

[WikiEN-l] Wikipedia as part of a social media strategy for hotels

http://www.hospitalitynet.org/news/4056585.html I suspect we may have (how do I put this) an opportunity to be helpful to an influx of newbies with not-so-good articles in need of improvement. (Is there a good place on-wiki to note such endeavours? One of the VPs?) - d.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Current consensus on PR editing?

On 13 June 2012 14:14, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I ask because next Wednesday I will be the Wikipedian at an episode of the CIPR TV webcast[1]. Basically a podcast with a camera. I have my http://www.cipr.co.uk/ciprtv/108058/the-wikipedia-debate-will-two-communities-collaborate

Re: [WikiEN-l] Current consensus on PR editing?

On 21 June 2012 12:35, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: I tend to take a bit more of a liberal guideline on fixing obvious blatant vandalism: Google CEO Larry Page is a great big poopyhead should be reverted no matter what, even if you have a conflict of interest, or are

Re: [WikiEN-l] Duolingo and translating Wikipedia

On 20 June 2012 13:22, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: One caveat that may be relevant to von Ahn's mention of Wikipedia: ...in the case of French, they are from the French version of Vikidia, a Wikipedia fork that’s basically a simple version of French Wikipedia intended for

[WikiEN-l] Draft best practice guideline for PR editors - needs more review

https://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Draft_best_practice_guidelines_for_PR This was put together in the hope of PR editors not shooting their own foot off. The idea is to be descriptive, not prescriptive. Facilitated by WMUK, a fair bit of community input on the talk page. But it needs more. Where are

[WikiEN-l] Current consensus on PR editing?

Is there any collected consensus on PR editing or is it all still a lot of shouting? I'm not asking for your own opinions, but if there's anywhere this is being discussed in some sort of abstractable manner. I ask because next Wednesday I will be the Wikipedian at an episode of the CIPR TV

Re: [WikiEN-l] Current consensus on PR editing?

On 13 June 2012 15:51, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 June 2012 14:14, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any collected consensus on PR editing or is it all still a lot of shouting? I'm not asking for your own opinions, but if there's anywhere this is being discussed in some

Re: [WikiEN-l] Bing tie-up with Encyclopaedia Britannica

On 8 June 2012 12:07, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18365767 Microsoft has signed a deal with Encyclopaedia Britannica to add entries from the reference work to Bing. Now all they need is to add them to MySpace. - d.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Encyclopedia of Life passes 1 million pages

On 26 May 2012 21:02, Tony Sidaway tonysida...@gmail.com wrote: I was tempted enough to join this site, but actually producing anything is difficult. It reminds me of h2g2. Do tell, please write up the process in detail. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Lum Hats in Paradise

Brian McNeil's productive work in Edinburgh. I particularly like the idea of recruiting newbies at libraries - with all those lovely old printed references right there to hand. Get those library computers being used for more than webmail. This could work anywhere. - d. -- Forwarded

Re: [WikiEN-l] How the Professor Who Fooled Wikipedia Got Caught by Reddit, _The Atlantic_

On 20 May 2012 22:32, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote: There's nothing to answer; and I've been copying the most informative or hilarious quotes for posterity, such as an active administrator in good standing wondering if it might actually increase article quality and not constitute

[WikiEN-l] Encyclopedia of Life passes 1 million pages

http://eol.org/info/press_releases/info/May_9 So - is EoL of any relevance to us? Is there any potential for synergy? - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

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