Re: [WikiEN-l] Roth is an elderly man googling

2012-09-10 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Sat, 8 Sep 2012, Charles Matthews wrote: You might be justified in saying this if he was really told he wasn't credible. If he was told that he wasn't a reliable source in WP's terms, that is a different kettle of fish. How's he supposed to know the difference? Besides, once he is verified

Re: [WikiEN-l] Roth is an elderly man googling

2012-09-10 Thread Charles Matthews
On 10 September 2012 17:04, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: On Sat, 8 Sep 2012, Charles Matthews wrote: You might be justified in saying this if he was really told he wasn't credible. If he was told that he wasn't a reliable source in WP's terms, that is a different kettle of fish.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Roth is an elderly man googling

2012-09-10 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012, Charles Matthews wrote: Besides, once he is verified to be himself, he is a reliable source. The issue was that he was a primary source and the secondary sources had preference. The issue appears to be something different. Roth's biographer wanted the existing secondary

[WikiEN-l] Roth is an elderly man googling

2012-09-09 Thread Kathleen McCook
Fred, you say Roth is an elderly man googling and I am wondering if there is an age at which people using Wikipedia in the estimation of this list become unfit to drive? Roth is an active writer and renowned, Nobel Prize finalist...right this moment..to dismiss him as an elderly man googling

Re: [WikiEN-l] Roth is an elderly man googling

2012-09-08 Thread Fred Bauder
Fred, you say Roth is an elderly man googling and I am wondering if there is an age at which people using Wikipedia in the estimation of this list become unfit to drive? Roth is an active writer and renowned, Nobel Prize finalist...right this moment..to dismiss him as an elderly man

Re: [WikiEN-l] Roth is an elderly man googling

2012-09-08 Thread Thomas Morton
Wow high and mighty much? I haven't had chance to look into this; but I bet I know what I will find. Someone being a bit of a jerk to him, which has led to having to take this approach. Which is about rebutting Wikipedia rather than the source which we cited. Rather than whining about him we

Re: [WikiEN-l] Roth is an elderly man googling

2012-09-08 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 8 September 2012 14:53, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: I'm older than he is. Roth is not the the first celebrity to think he could dictate Wikipedia content. Michael Moore also felt he could throw his weight around. And, no, I don't respect that move. Instead of spending decades

Re: [WikiEN-l] Roth is an elderly man googling

2012-09-08 Thread Thomas Morton
No it doesn't. I'll give you good odds on me being right. Because I see the same thing week after week. Tom Morton On 8 Sep 2012, at 16:35, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 September 2012 15:43, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: I haven't had chance to look into

Re: [WikiEN-l] Roth is an elderly man googling

2012-09-08 Thread Charles Matthews
On 8 September 2012 16:55, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.comwrote: No it doesn't. I'll give you good odds on me being right. Because I see the same thing week after week. You mean leading author almost synonymous with rare interview assumes his word is good enough for WP?

Re: [WikiEN-l] Roth is an elderly man googling

2012-09-08 Thread Fred Bauder
We've had a problem with courtesy for a long time; the entire internet has. We're one of the few organizations that has made a concerted and determined effort to address it, see http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/weekinreview/29cohen.html Fred No it doesn't. I'll give you good odds on me

Re: [WikiEN-l] Roth is an elderly man googling

2012-09-08 Thread Thomas Morton
It's not a crazy train of thought though; people naturally feel they are the authority on their own opinions. We usually don't do brilliantly in explaining why that doesn't work. Because we start with explaining reliable sources, and often glaze over the most important bit. I DO see these sorts