Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Status of the five year plan

2012-09-30 Thread Jon Davies
We did discuss it in Wahsington and decided to leave it aside while we worked on the plan for 2013. I am going to speak honestly here. I wondered if we would ever get a plan, given how many different ideas and views there were about what should be in it, and what structure it should take. My

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] An opportunity

2012-09-30 Thread Jon Davies
This strategy is well in hand. We have been building a broader fundraising, donor and member strategy for reporting to the board in November. Much of this work can now be brought forward. Great minds... On 29 September 2012 19:05, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.comwrote: That's a good

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] An opportunity

2012-09-30 Thread rexx
Sam, From the context, I think Deryck meant all the money we (the whole of WIkimedia) raise (through the fundraiser) will nominally pass through the FDC. I took him to be saying that every pound which WMUK raises independently reduces by a pound the amount we would be requesting from the FDC. In

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Status of the five year plan

2012-09-30 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Sep 30, 2012 11:25 AM, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: There is a terrible tendency in planning to 'never quite get there' , waiting for perfection. We have been a bit prone to that. This plan went through four re-writes over about the same number of months. It is common sense

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Cutting back the 2013 plan

2012-09-30 Thread Charles Matthews
On 28 September 2012 23:29, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: Training led and run by volunteers has very little to do with the objections to the plan, which is about allocation of Chapter resources, focus, and staff time. I don't see why we're running these two objections together.

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Status of the five year plan

2012-09-30 Thread Jon Davies
I think that would depend on how you define re-writes Tom. They felt like re-writes and stuff changed. I Incorporated a lot of people's suggestions and tried to find consensus. I listened a lot and acted. You are being unfair. Jon On 30 September 2012 12:50, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Status of the five year plan

2012-09-30 Thread Thomas Dalton
A rewrite involves substantial changes, not just changes in detail, which is all you made. On Sep 30, 2012 1:07 PM, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I think that would depend on how you define re-writes Tom. They felt like re-writes and stuff changed. I Incorporated a lot of

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Status of the five year plan

2012-09-30 Thread David Gerard
On 30 September 2012 13:23, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: A rewrite involves substantial changes, not just changes in detail, which is all you made. You're claiming to measure thought by text diffs. This has a certain surface plausibility, but insisting on it when you've been

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Status of the five year plan

2012-09-30 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Sep 30, 2012 3:26 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 September 2012 13:23, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: A rewrite involves substantial changes, not just changes in detail, which is all you made. You're claiming to measure thought by text diffs. Please

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Status of the five year plan

2012-09-30 Thread Thomas Dalton
Where did I mention thought? I neither know nor care how much Jon thought about it. He didn't fix the fundamental problems and just fiddled with the details. That is not a rewrite. On Sep 30, 2012 3:56 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 September 2012 15:55, Thomas Dalton

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Status of the five year plan

2012-09-30 Thread Katie Chan
Oh FFS. Can everyone please talk about the issues, in this case the plan itself, rather than people? If you (still) have problems with the content of the plan, then list those issues and discuss it. We don't need a dozen emails back and forth arguing whether the existing changes constitute a

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Status of the five year plan

2012-09-30 Thread Doug Weller
Katie's right. I really have no idea what the main issues are here about the plan. Doug On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: Oh FFS. Can everyone please talk about the issues, in this case the plan itself, rather than people? If you (still) have problems with the

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK board election process

2012-09-30 Thread Andrew Turvey
Thanks for this WSC, this is a great start. However, I'm not sure it describes what's broken with the current system - what factions do we actually have that are under-represented in the board due to the current system? I wonder whether this model actually reflects how people tend to vote in WMUK

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Status of the five year plan

2012-09-30 Thread Thomas Dalton
I have explained my views on the plan at length on this mailing list and the wiki. I have no intention of repeating myself now. On Sep 30, 2012 4:16 PM, Doug Weller dougwel...@gmail.com wrote: Katie's right. I really have no idea what the main issues are here about the plan. Doug On Sun, Sep

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK board election process

2012-09-30 Thread Thomas Dalton
Just because it hasn't caused any problems yet doesn't mean it isn't broken. My main objection to approval voting is that it makes tactical voting almost compulsory. In reality, approval isn't a yes/no thing. It's a spectrum and in approval voting you are forced to arbitrarily draw a line

[Wikimediauk-l] Forthcoming unconferences: MuseumCamp, BarCampNFP, LibCamp

2012-09-30 Thread Andy Mabbett
Three unconference events in the next fortnight: I shall be at MuseumCamp in Birmingham tomorrow: http://museumcamp.eventbrite.co.uk Do we have anyone attending BarCampNFP: http://barcampnonprofits.com in London on Thursday this week? All tickets are sold out. I've only just heard of

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Forthcoming unconferences: MuseumCamp, BarCampNFP, LibCamp

2012-09-30 Thread Andrew Gray
On 30 September 2012 21:11, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: Do we have anyone attending LibraryCamp (LibCamp) in Birmingham: http://www.eventbrite.com/event/3931870330 on Saturday 13 October? I was going, but I'm going to Wikimedia CCE instead. For some reason I'd missed

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2012-09-30 Thread fabian
Hi all, I would like to thank Thomas Morton for his well thought explanation addressed to Roger (Sat, 29 Sep 2012 22:51:10 +0100). It covered a number of points I felt need addressing and Tom put them in a useful and tactful way - much better than I could have hoped to do. However, I would like