Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-14 Thread Gordon Joly
On 13/06/12 18:05, Charles Matthews wrote: On 13 June 2012 17:51, Gordon Jolygordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 13/06/12 16:02, Thomas Dalton wrote: This sounds like a fantastic project. Thank you Charles for agreeing to lead it and thank you WMUK for agreeing to support it. What is the

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-14 Thread Charles Matthews
On 14 June 2012 07:41, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 13/06/12 18:05, Charles Matthews wrote: On 13 June 2012 17:51, Gordon Jolygordon.j...@pobox.com  wrote: On 13/06/12 16:02, Thomas Dalton wrote: This sounds like a fantastic project. Thank you Charles for agreeing to lead it

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-14 Thread Charles Matthews
On 14 June 2012 08:31, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 14/06/12 08:28, Charles Matthews wrote: I question the assumption that money is likely to be the limiting factor in building the online community: I think some things money can't buy is a really good general explanation of

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-14 Thread Gordon Joly
On 14/06/12 08:39, Charles Matthews wrote: I'd like to say that I'm not currently thinking of the VLE project as a vehicle for accreditation. Fine. Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-14 Thread Jon Davies
Train the Trainers Budget is actually 20K. The bulk is for the weekend training sessions then some for setting up the Virtual Learning Environment, some for organising sessions requested by external organisations and the change goes for paying travel, accommodation (hostel OR hotel!) etc. Our

[Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-13 Thread Charles Matthews
I have been asked to be project leader for Wikimedia UK's distance learning project. Early days. Let me try to clarify what all this is about. It is a subproject of the training effort, which already has the actual training and outreach calendar events, and the Training for Trainers (TfT) strand.

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-13 Thread brian.mcneil
, but news ceases to be news. Original Message Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project From: Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com Date: Wed, June 13, 2012 7:46 am To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org I have been asked

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-13 Thread Charles Matthews
On 13 June 2012 08:17, brian.mcn...@wikinewsie.org wrote: This sounds rather interesting Charles. Please do bear in mind that Wikinews can be a good way of opening doors. Thanks. For a journalist I think this is a man bites dog story based on Wikimedia not reinventing the wheel, but adapting

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-13 Thread Jon Davies
Great to have you steering this Charles. From my view as someone who has been editing for less than two years and did it in isolation from any other wikimedians I would like to ahre a few thoughts. 1. For me the BIG leap was to understand that I COULD edit. Many, many people think we are a major

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-13 Thread Stevie Benton
I agree with everything that Jon said. Editing for the first time is a bit daunting, especially for people with zero online publishing experience. I was quite lucky in that my first edits (of not very many at all, granted) were removing vandalism and I'd worked as an online editor so felt

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-13 Thread Charles Matthews
On 13 June 2012 09:19, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Great to have you steering this Charles. Thanks for your input Jon, as well as support so far. snip Lesson - we need to support and protect our newbies. On-line support material can do this to some extent. 100% agree. In

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-13 Thread Charles Matthews
On 13 June 2012 09:30, Stevie Benton wrote This is where good communication comes in and I think it has a valuable role in supporting the work of the trainers. Charles, it would be great to come and meet with you to discuss the work that's taking place in a bit more detail and share some

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-13 Thread Gordon Joly
On 13/06/12 09:30, Stevie Benton wrote: I agree with everything that Jon said. Editing for the first time is a bit daunting, especially for people with zero online publishing experience. That's why I have been promoting editing skills on a Mediawiki website first before going into the lion's

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-13 Thread Charles Matthews
On 13 June 2012 09:55, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 13/06/12 09:30, Stevie Benton wrote: I agree with everything that Jon said. Editing for the first time is a bit daunting, especially for people with zero online publishing experience. That's why I have been promoting editing

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
I'll read this in full layer (on first glance it looks fine, but I'm mobile). How does it relate to Wikiversity? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-13 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 13 June 2012 07:46, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: I have been asked to be project leader for Wikimedia UK's distance learning project. Early days. [snip] This sounds like a fantastic project. Thank you Charles for agreeing to lead it and thank you WMUK for

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-13 Thread steve virgin
: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project On 13 June 2012 07:46, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: I have been asked to be project leader for Wikimedia UK's distance learning project. Early days. [snip] This sounds like a fantastic project. Thank you Charles for agreeing

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-13 Thread Charles Matthews
On 13 June 2012 15:46, Andy Mabbett pigsotw...@gmail.com wrote: How does it relate to Wikiversity? That's another good point. Wikiversity is a repository of teaching material about all sorts. Moodle is a course management system, and so various things can be done with it (e.g. embed a video

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-13 Thread Charles Matthews
On 13 June 2012 16:02, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 June 2012 07:46, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: I have been asked to be project leader for Wikimedia UK's distance learning project. Early days. I have a question that really applies to the

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-13 Thread Charles Matthews
On 13 June 2012 16:12, steve virgin st...@mediafocusuk.com wrote: Thomas Good question - it was part of my very initial conversation with the CIPR (Chartered Institute of Public Relations). That body has certified training programs for PR professionals all across the United Kingdom in a

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-13 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 13 June 2012 16:23, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: No, having started seriously Monday early I haven't got to everything yet ... let's just say getting quality into teaching material is probably harder than getting recognition of quality once it's there. It might be

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-13 Thread Charles Matthews
On 13 June 2012 16:38, Thomas Dalton It might be worth talking to potential accreditors earlier rather than later in the process (although not having already spoken to them two days in is forgiveable!). One thing you'll need to agree with them in the learning objectives, and they should be

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-13 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 13 June 2012 17:11, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: It might be worth talking to potential accreditors earlier rather than later in the process (although not having already spoken to them two days in is forgiveable!). One thing you'll need to agree with them in the

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-13 Thread Gordon Joly
On 13/06/12 16:02, Thomas Dalton wrote: This sounds like a fantastic project. Thank you Charles for agreeing to lead it and thank you WMUK for agreeing to support it. What is the current budget? Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-13 Thread Charles Matthews
On 13 June 2012 17:51, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 13/06/12 16:02, Thomas Dalton wrote: This sounds like a fantastic project. Thank you Charles for agreeing to lead it and thank you WMUK for agreeing to support it. What is the current budget? I'm making business cases for

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-13 Thread Charles Matthews
On 13 June 2012 17:37, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 June 2012 17:11, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: It might be worth talking to potential accreditors earlier rather than later in the process (although not having already spoken to them two days

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Distance learning project

2012-06-13 Thread Richard Symonds
15k for the whole project, I believe? Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK On Jun 13, 2012 5:52 PM, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 13/06/12 16:02, Thomas Dalton wrote: This sounds like a fantastic project. Thank you Charles for agreeing to lead it and thank you WMUK for agreeing to