Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Robert Rohde schrieb: On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Andrew Garrett and...@werdn.us wrote: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:21 PM, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Currently all data, including private data, is replicated to the toolserver. We could not do this with a third-party server. My

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Bilal Abdul Kader schrieb: Greetings, We are setting up a research server at Concordia University (Canada) that is dedicated for Wikipedia. We would love to share the resources with anyone interested. In case anyone needs help setting it up, we would love to help as well. bilal There's

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Tim Starling
Magnus Manske wrote: Database error From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: (SQL query hidden) from within function

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread River Tarnell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 phoebe ayers: Personally, I think a dedicated toolserver is a great idea for the research community, but I know very little about the technical issues involved and/or whether this has been proposed before. Please comment, and I can pass on replies

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread River Tarnell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Aryeh Gregor: Oh. Why does a single specific person have to handle the approval of all toolserver account requests, then? because accounts have to be approved by WM-DE, and WM-DE has designated this person to approve accounts on their behalf.

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread phoebe ayers
Thanks for the responses, all. Daniel and Bilal: the notes about the possible servers at Syracuse and Concordia are very interesting; it sounds like the researchers interested in such things should team up. Daniel: I am not sure what type of data is needed -- this is not my project (I'm only the

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread River Tarnell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 phoebe ayers: River: Well, you say that part of the issue with the toolserver is money and time... and this person that I've been talking to is offering to throw money and time at the problem. So, what can they constructively do? i think this is

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread Andrea Forte
I've been trying to do some work mining the full en dump with revision history and was involved in getting together the Syracuse grant proposal. To give you an idea, for me personally, the incentive for a new resource is a need for a server (perhaps a cluster) to support full-text queries at a

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread River Tarnell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrea Forte: To give you an idea, for me personally, the incentive for a new resource is a need for a server (perhaps a cluster) to support full-text queries at a reasonable speed. then why not help us do this on the existing toolserver, so

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread Robert Rohde
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:27 PM, River Tarnell ri...@loreley.flyingparchment.org.uk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 phoebe ayers: River: Well, you say that part of the issue with the toolserver is money and time... and this person that I've been talking to is offering to

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread Andrea Forte
Let me know if you have a grant proposal you'd like help with! Andrea On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:30 PM, River Tarnell ri...@loreley.flyingparchment.org.uk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrea Forte: To give you an idea, for me personally, the incentive for a new

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Robert Rohde schrieb: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:27 PM, River Tarnell ri...@loreley.flyingparchment.org.uk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 phoebe ayers: River: Well, you say that part of the issue with the toolserver is money and time... and this person that I've been

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki developer meeting is drawing close

2009-03-10 Thread Lars Aronsson
Daniel Kinzler wrote: So, come early, hang out a bit, the c-base is a cosy place :) So... doors open at noon, schedule starts at 3pm. Satisfied? Or if you arrive in Berlin already on Thursday April 2, join me for lunch at the Museum of Technology, and we can spend that afternoon admiring

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki developer meeting is drawing close

2009-03-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/10 Daniel Kinzler dan...@brightbyte.de: Roan Kattouw schrieb: Daniel Kinzler schreef: The schedule[4] is slowly becomming clear now: On Friday, we'll start at noon with a who-is-who-and-does-what session The schedule you're linking to says it starts at 3 PM. Which time is the right

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread K. Peachey
Please report urgent system administration issues to IRC, specifically #wikimedia-tech on irc.freenode.net. -- Tim Starling Not everyone knows how to use IRC, i would recommend that you recommend people report to bugzilla with urgent tags instead.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Robert Rohde
Out of curiousity, when a technical problem shuts down all editing on a major wiki (as this did) are there any automated alerts? Is it likely to be noticed and addressed even if no one rushes to IRC? I guess I am curious what is the normal delay between problem onset and problem recognition?

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Platonides
Robert Rohde wrote: Out of curiousity, when a technical problem shuts down all editing on a major wiki (as this did) are there any automated alerts? Is it likely to be noticed and addressed even if no one rushes to IRC? I guess I am curious what is the normal delay between problem onset

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread K. Peachey
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: Out of curiousity, when a technical problem shuts down all editing on a major wiki (as this did) are there any automated alerts?  Is it likely to be noticed and addressed even if no one rushes to IRC? I guess I am curious

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread K. Peachey
A bot that edits the sandbox every few minutes would work, would it? Possibly, but i would bump it up to like every two hours. Plus since the MySQL is spread between multipul systems you would have make sure it checks the same one all the time. ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/10 K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au: A bot that edits the sandbox every few minutes would work, would it? Possibly, but i would bump it up to like every two hours. Plus since the MySQL is spread between multipul systems you would have make sure it checks the same one all the time. If

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Robert Rohde
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:43 PM, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: Out of curiousity, when a technical problem shuts down all editing on a major wiki (as this did) are there any automated alerts?  Is it likely to be

[Wikitech-l] Google Summer of Code 2009

2009-03-10 Thread Brion Vibber
I’ve just put in Wikimedia’s org application for Google Summer of Code 2009… Hopefully we’ll get in. :) http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2009 ^ Add and update cool project ideas as a starting point for student applicants! We’ve had mixed luck in previous years with GSoC, but I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Brion Vibber
On 3/10/09 5:02 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: Such things are probably totally unnecessary on enwiki, because there is no shortage of people to complain, but I could image it might be useful to have such an alert for smaller, non-English speaking wikis. *nod* -- brion

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread Brion Vibber
On 3/10/09 5:29 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Platonidesplatoni...@gmail.com wrote: Is mediawiki table structure going to change? Yes, it changes on a regular basis. Moreover, any more private method for sharing the tables (eg. a trigger deleting the row when

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki developer meeting is drawing close

2009-03-10 Thread Brion Vibber
On 3/6/09 5:11 AM, Daniel Kinzler wrote: The meet-up[1] is drawing close now: between April 3. and 5. we meet at the c-base[2] in Berlin to discuss MediaWiki development, extensions, toolserver projects, wiki research, etc. Registration[3] is open until March 20 (required even if you already

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Chris Down
Yes, but whilst StatusBot and the proposed bot would have comparable edit statistics, the latter would have more of a reason for running than 'to update people's statuses'. It's not just about actions, it's about the justification for those actions. - Chris On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 2:11 AM,