* Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com [Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:14:16 -0500]:
And this is where we've seen a difference. Some people like Jeroen
have
really integrated themselves, hanging around, asking questions,
becoming
a part of the community. I'd like to see our developer community grow
as
a
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Dmitriy Sintsov ques...@rambler.ru wrote:
There should be a lot of free time to hang around. For example, IRC is
really inefficient - you ask a question and often you have to wait for a
long time (sometimes never). (That was a question how to add tooltips to
On 03/12/2010 09:01 AM, K. Peachey wrote:
Perhaps a separate IRC channel for the GSOC students/mentors
(#wikimedia-gsoc?) (and who ever else wants to hangout in there) so
that it doesn't get flooded with random questions and such and
wouldn't be as hectic (or scary) for the newer irc users.
On 11 Mar 2010 at 11:06, Erik Moeller wrote:
Hello all,
together with Frank Schulenburg and Naoko Komura, I just participated
in a video-conference with the winners of the Google Kiswahili
Wikipedia challenge ( http://www.google.com/events/kiswahili-wiki/ ),
and we talked about some of the
Hoi,
How would Commons work for someone who speaks and reads Mazanderani, Nepali
or Yoruba and does not speak English ? They are very welcome to use Commons
but Commons is hardly usable if you are not able to navigate its data and
procedures.
I proposed less complicated procedures for the smaller
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 5:51 AM, Gerard Meijssen
gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
How would Commons work for someone who speaks and reads Mazanderani, Nepali
or Yoruba and does not speak English ? They are very welcome to use Commons
but Commons is hardly usable if you are not able to
On 3/11/10, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
I am really happy that we want to help the smaller Wikipedias with uploading
their pictures. It helps when it is made easy. One of the ways in which we
can make it easy is to reduce the number of choices involved. When the only
* Dmitriy Sintsov ques...@rambler.ru [Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:57:39
+0300]:
I always wondered, why to have a multilanguage wiki one has to setup a
wiki farm with interlinks? Why wiki cannot be multilingual by default?
By the way, MediaWiki has the preliminary support of that back in 1.10
when
Casey Brown hett schreven:
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Dmitriy Sintsov ques...@rambler.ru wrote:
Hmm.. it seems that commons already uses uselang parameter. It just
should use it persistantly and the parameter should be passed via the
links from small wikis.
You can change the
2010/3/12 Marcus Buck w...@marcusbuck.org:
Additionally why do we always present English as default to unregistered
users on Commons? Why don't we observe the accept-language HTTP header?
That would be some easy steps to make Commons much more accessible to
non-English people.
That would
Hoi,
That is a great argument why you cannot do it in the current configuration.
It does not mean that it is desirable. It seems therefore that you want to
change the current configuration.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 12 March 2010 14:44, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/3/12
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/3/12 Marcus Buck w...@marcusbuck.org:
Additionally why do we always present English as default to unregistered
users on Commons? Why don't we observe the accept-language HTTP header?
That would be some easy steps
Roan Kattouw hett schreven:
2010/3/12 Marcus Buck w...@marcusbuck.org:
Additionally why do we always present English as default to unregistered
users on Commons? Why don't we observe the accept-language HTTP header?
That would be some easy steps to make Commons much more accessible to
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On 3/11/2010 2:06 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
Specifically, when you're a new user on a small wiki like sw.wp, you
_cannot upload_ locally due to a restriction of uploads to
autoconfirmed users. The upload link isn't even visible in the sidebar
until
2010/3/12 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:
Hoi,
That is a great argument why you cannot do it in the current configuration.
It does not mean that it is desirable. It seems therefore that you want to
change the current configuration.
This is not a question of flipping a switch, it's
Roan Kattouw schreef:
2010/3/12 Marcus Buck w...@marcusbuck.org:
Additionally why do we always present English as default to unregistered
users on Commons? Why don't we observe the accept-language HTTP header?
That would be some easy steps to make Commons much more accessible to
2010/3/12 Marcus Buck w...@marcusbuck.org:
Can you please elaborate? And feel free to use technical terms ;-) Why
would that be a problem? We can cache the English pages so why can't we
cache non-English pages? Of course the amount of rendering events will
rise, but I cannot imagine why this
On 03/12/2010 02:14 PM, Maarten Dammers wrote:
Hi,
Billinghurst schreef:
In fact, it would be interesting to see some of the data of images on small
and large
wikis, including the numbers transferred from each to Commons, and who
undertook such
actions (local vs Commons users).
I have
Roan Kattouw schrieb:
2010/3/12 Marcus Buck w...@marcusbuck.org:
Can you please elaborate? And feel free to use technical terms ;-) Why
would that be a problem? We can cache the English pages so why can't we
cache non-English pages? Of course the amount of rendering events will
rise, but
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Marcus Buck w...@marcusbuck.org wrote:
Roan Kattouw schrieb:
2010/3/12 Marcus Buck w...@marcusbuck.org:
Can you please elaborate? And feel free to use technical terms ;-) Why
would that be a problem? We can cache the English pages so why can't we
cache
Chad schrieb:
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Marcus Buck w...@marcusbuck.org wrote:
Roan Kattouw schrieb:
2010/3/12 Marcus Buck w...@marcusbuck.org:
Can you please elaborate? And feel free to use technical terms ;-) Why
would that be a problem? We can cache the English
* Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org [Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:13:36 -0500]:
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 7:02 AM, Dmitriy Sintsov ques...@rambler.ru
wrote:
Hmm.. it seems that commons already uses uselang parameter. It just
should use it persistantly and the parameter should be passed via
the
links
Perhaps a separate IRC channel for the GSOC students/mentors
(#wikimedia-gsoc?) (and who ever else wants to hangout in there) so that it
doesn't get flooded with random questions and such and wouldn't be as hectic
(or scary) for the newer irc users.
That would be worse, splitting what
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:58 AM, jeroen De Dauw
jeroen_ded...@yahoo.com wrote:
Perhaps a separate IRC channel for the GSOC students/mentors
(#wikimedia-gsoc?) (and who ever else wants to hangout in there) so that it
doesn't get flooded with random questions and such and wouldn't be as
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Maarten Dammers maar...@mdammers.nl wrote:
I understand this makes caching more difficult, but did anyone ever do
measurements?
Without decent metrics this is just wild guessing.
Things to measure for example:
* Total text requests for all sites
* Total text
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:58 AM, jeroen De Dauw
jeroen_ded...@yahoo.com wrote:
I agree that a seperate IRC channel is probably not a good idea. (There are
enough mw channels already, and in most of them people give really great
support, and there is no reason to cut the students off the main
* Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com [Fri, 12 Mar 2010
12:31:39 -0500]:
In principle, one could imagine hacking Squid to be smart enough to
cache contents and interface separately, and paste them together on
view about as quickly as it can serve plain requests now. But I don't
know
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote:
We're initially setting up Selenium for use by the usability
initiative, with the idea of extending it to the rest of the software
when we have time/resources for that. You're right that this should
probably have been
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Dmitriy Sintsov ques...@rambler.ru wrote:
Perhaps an uploading from small wiki to commons via api while small wiki
localizes client output with it's own language messages. Or, perhaps
some parts of localization can be done with Javascript (which can read
Aryeh Gregor hett schreven:
Worst case all text requests
for Commons go to the backend directly, right?
Yes, and this is disastrous. It would mean load on the application
servers would increase by a factor of twenty or a hundred or more.
Even if only for Commons, it could be a huge
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Marcus Buck w...@marcusbuck.org wrote:
Can anybody please give some numbers? How severely would the squid hit
rate go down? How many servers would be necessary to compensate? How
much would this cost? We need numbers to make a decision like that.
I don't have
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Michael Dale md...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Guillaume Paumier wrote:
Just FYI, we're working on both (crosswiki-upload and 1-click crosswiki
file move), but we're not quite there yet.
As mentioned on commons list a cross site upload tool is in early /
alpha /
Okay, but it seems like several employees (including you) already knew
this, and several volunteers (including me) did not. This implies
that there's some communications channel that employees are reading,
but not volunteers. Is it some public place that we just don't visit?
If so, where?
withJS is a special parameter in MediaWiki:Common.js that lets people
preview mediaWiki namespace user scripts. Its been on commons for ages
and en.wikipedia for a few weeks.
peace,
--michael
Chad wrote:
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Michael Dale md...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Guillaume
2010/3/12 Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com:
I don't think this is a good idea for the same reason as a separate
IRC chat. Wikitech-l is low-traffic enough that it's reasonable to
just use that, unless we're talking about an awful lot of GSOC
discussion.
I agree, separating GSoC
2010/3/12 Marcus Buck w...@marcusbuck.org:
Please spend some seconds to think about what we are speaking: At the
moment a user needs to be logged-in and additionally he needs to enter
the preferences menu (which is in English) and select a language he
knows. But most people do not change the
On 03/12/2010 06:33 PM, Ryan Lane wrote:
That said, this discussion isn't fruitful. Can we please move the
discussion back to planning how this is going to work?
Sure, the main problem I see with the proposed set up [1] is that you
have no way of ensuring the MediaWiki you are hitting is in a
Personally I would like to see us welcome the GSoC students on existing
mail-lists rather than creating special ones because one goal of WMF
Staff envolvement this year is to entice the best students to stick
around after GSoC is over and integrating them into the real community
may better
2010/3/12 Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com:
Okay, but it seems like several employees (including you) already knew
this, and several volunteers (including me) did not. This implies
that there's some communications channel that employees are reading,
but not volunteers. Is it some
Sure, the main problem I see with the proposed set up [1] is that you
have no way of ensuring the MediaWiki you are hitting is in a consistent
state; having tests fail because of edit conflicts, modified pages,
users that already exist, have been blocked, etc. as a result of other
tests, is
Roan Kattouw hett schreven:
2010/3/12 Marcus Buck w...@marcusbuck.org:
Please spend some seconds to think about what we are speaking: At the
moment a user needs to be logged-in and additionally he needs to enter
the preferences menu (which is in English) and select a language he
knows.
On 03/12/2010 07:48 PM, Ryan Lane wrote:
Do the parser tests only test core parser functionality, or do they
also test extensions, like ParserFunctions, and SyntaxHighlight GeSHi?
It is likely we'll have tests that will need to dynamically include
extensions, and configure them dynamically as
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Conrad Irwin
conrad.ir...@googlemail.com wrote:
On 03/12/2010 07:48 PM, Ryan Lane wrote:
Do the parser tests only test core parser functionality, or do they
also test extensions, like ParserFunctions, and SyntaxHighlight GeSHi?
It is likely we'll have tests
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From: Dmitriy Sintsov ques...@rambler.ru
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Uploads on small wikis
To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org
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On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 4:48 PM, bawolff bawolff...@gmail.com wrote:
Stupid question, if having the ?uselang parameter can be done without
significant problems, wouldn't having javascript that just appeneds
?uselang= whatevever its set to to all internal links on a page
whenever the url for
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote:
That would severely break the Squid cache. In non-technical terms: if
we enable this and people actually use it, the site goes down.
I've wanted a way to preserve the language for anoymous users for
years. (On
The reason I suggested a separate IRC channel, since i wrote about it
at night and my crazied ramblings probably didn't resemble much, (or
communication venue in general, for example people have pointed out a
mailing list) is because as someone pointed out (someone, Dmitriy i
think it was without
Hello all,
I'm still finding my way around these channels. I've never used lists or IRC
before these last few days.
I'm definitely excited about the prospect of involvement in GSOC here. Not
just because of the stipend but for the mentoring, and the opportunity to
get intimate with Quiz.php
Dmitriy Sintsov wrote:
Casey Brown:
You can change the language of the Commons interface in your
preferences, instead of using the ?uselang= parameter all the time.
As other peoples correctly pointed out, it is not convenient to select
the language manually in user's options (especially for
K. Peachey wrote:
The reason I suggested a separate IRC channel, since i wrote about it
at night and my crazied ramblings probably didn't resemble much, (or
communication venue in general, for example people have pointed out a
mailing list) is because as someone pointed out (someone, Dmitriy i
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On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote:
We're initially setting up Selenium for use by the usability
initiative, with the idea of extending it to the rest of the software
when we have time/resources for that. You're right that this
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