Re: [Wikitech-l] captcha idea: proposal for gnome outreach for women 14

2014-03-03 Thread Happy Melon
On 28 February 2014 18:29, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Mansi Gokhale gokhalemans...@gmail.com wrote: Then there's the issue of different interpretation. Take for example https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Find-all-captcha-idea.png. Is

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSOC-2014 aspirant

2014-03-03 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#10._Can_a_group_apply_for_and_work_on_a Can a group apply for and work on a single proposal? No, only an individual may work on a given project. Some Google Summer of Code mentoring organizations are fine

Re: [Wikitech-l] captcha idea: proposal for gnome outreach for women 14

2014-03-03 Thread Steven Walling
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: If you display 8 images and the user has to pick one, then even by random guessing the attacker has a 12.5% chance of passing the captcha. That's not good at all. Finding all matching is slightly better since

[Wikitech-l] Fw: Captcha Idea Proposal for GSOC 2014

2014-03-03 Thread Aalekh Nigam
From: Aalekh Nigamlt;aalekh1...@rediffmail.comgt; Sent: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 15:37:42 To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.orglt;wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.orggt; Cc: mediawiki-i...@lists.wikimedia.orglt;mediawiki-i...@lists.wikimedia.orggt; Subject: Captcha Idea Proposal for GSOC 2014 Hello, From

Re: [Wikitech-l] Adding new property value in WIKIDATA (Lydia Pintscher)

2014-03-03 Thread Anjali Sharma
Hi Thanks for the help. I want to create a new property only, and am quite clear that the existing properties can be edited with new values. The procedure is clear to me now. Thanks Lydia and GerardM for that ! ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] captcha idea: proposal for gnome outreach for women 14

2014-03-03 Thread Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 6:05 AM, Happy Melon happy.melon.w...@gmail.comwrote: But putting out nine pictures of humans and one picture of a cat and asking for the odd one out is no easier to misinterpret than a squiggle that might be a G or might be a 6. It seems to me that putting nine

Re: [Wikitech-l] Drop support for PHP 5.3

2014-03-03 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 25/02/2014 23:02, Matthew Flaschen a écrit : A good number of SPL classes are available now (https://github.com/facebook/hhvm/tree/master/hphp/system/php/spl). I don't know if they all are. Tyler Romeo worked on some of this (https://github.com/facebook/hhvm/pull/807). Wonderful! I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Drop support for PHP 5.3

2014-03-03 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 26/02/2014 04:05, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) a écrit : Is there a difference between Extension\ClassName and Extension_ClassName, collision-wise? i.e. if two extensions both use Extension as a namespace and define ClassName, what happens? I guess when in the namespace 'Extension' you can refer to

[Wikitech-l] python bot/script with javascript as frontend

2014-03-03 Thread Rohit Dua
*Hi* *How do I build a python bot/script with JavaScript for the frontend (ideally as Wikisouorce gadget https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gadget).* *Project is for gsoc2014. So it should be something which can be live on wikisource gadgets.* *Thanks* *---* *Rohit Dua* *8ohit.dua*

Re: [Wikitech-l] Drop support for PHP 5.3

2014-03-03 Thread Cristian Consonni
2014-02-18 19:14 GMT+01:00 Bryan Davis bd...@wikimedia.org: On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.orgwrote: I propose we drop support for PHP 5.3 soon, if possible. Agreed, but right

Re: [Wikitech-l] The Whole Wikipedia in English with pictures in one 40GB big file

2014-03-03 Thread Gabriel Wicke
Emmanuel, On 03/01/2014 09:01 AM, Emmanuel Engelhart wrote: Hi For the first time, we have achieved to release a complete dump of all encyclopedic articles of the Wikipedia in English, *with thumbnails*. this is great news. Congratulations! Gabriel

[Wikitech-l] Fw: Captcha Idea Proposal for GSOC 2014

2014-03-03 Thread Aalekh Nigam
From: Aalekh Nigamlt;aalekh1...@rediffmail.comgt; Sent: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 20:35:51 To: wikitech-l lt;wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.orggt; Subject: Fw: Captcha Idea Proposal for GSOC 2014 From: Aalekh Nigamlt;aalekh1...@rediffmail.comgt; Sent: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 15:37:42 To:

[Wikitech-l] Fw: Captcha Idea Proposal for GSOC 2014

2014-03-03 Thread Aalekh Nigam
From: Aalekh Nigamlt;aalekh1...@rediffmail.comgt; Sent: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 23:39:19 To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.orglt;wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.orggt; Cc: mediawiki-i...@lists.wikimedia.orglt;mediawiki-i...@lists.wikimedia.orggt; Subject: Fw: Captcha Idea Proposal for GSOC 2014 From:

[Wikitech-l] Fw: Captcha Idea Proposal for GSOC 2014

2014-03-03 Thread Aalekh Nigam
From: Aalekh Nigamlt;aalekh1...@rediffmail.comgt; Sent: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 20:35:51 To: wikitech-l lt;wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.orggt; Subject: Fw: Captcha Idea Proposal for GSOC 2014 From: Aalekh Nigamlt;aalekh1...@rediffmail.comgt; Sent: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 15:37:42 To:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Drop support for PHP 5.3

2014-03-03 Thread Erik Bernhardson
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote: * Constants declared with 'const' : we use define() I've been using const. It's nicer syntax. It seems the two differences is that const can only be used at compile time and that define() let you create case

[Wikitech-l] [GSoC 2014] Proposal for page migration project under the Translate Extension

2014-03-03 Thread Pratik Lahoti
Hello everyone! I am Pratik Lahoti (User:BPositive) from Pune, India. I am willing to participate in the Google Summer of Code this year. I am interested in the project titled - Tools for mass migration of legacy translated wiki

Re: [Wikitech-l] SpecialPage::getTitle deprecated?!

2014-03-03 Thread Krinkle
On 1 Mar 2014, at 22:35, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, Regarding https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-core/blob/793f17481ea937275898c91b9ba3c92c5a3e908b/includes/specialpage/SpecialPage.php#L467-488 So now all extensions that want to retain compatibility with

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2014-03-03 Thread Ryan Kaldari
I spent most of Friday working on font evaluation with the designers. First I presented them with a blind taste test of 10 potential body fonts. 7 of them were FOSS fonts, 3 were commercial. Each one was used to render an identical section of Lorem Ipsum text in a MedaWiki page. Each font was

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2014-03-03 Thread Brion Vibber
Thanks for doing this research! I notice that while Liberation Sans got a high score for appearance, it got a very low technical score... Since it is a FOSS project https://fedorahosted.org/liberation-fonts/ we should attempt to file bug reports with Red Hat about any problems we discover,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2014-03-03 Thread Alolita Sharma
Ryan, This is useful. Am I assuming accurately that you looked only at Latin language fonts focused on English. Did you consider Google webfonts too. I would be interested in reusing your test criteria for other language fonts too. Thanks for your efforts so far. Best Alolita On Mar 3, 2014

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2014-03-03 Thread Alolita Sharma
Brion, Happy to ping the Fedora team on this bug. They participate in our Language Summits which we organize with Red Hat India. Best, Alolita On Mar 3, 2014 12:22 PM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: Thanks for doing this research! I notice that while Liberation Sans got a high

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2014-03-03 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
Ryan, thank you superlatively for doing and documenting this research. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2014-03-03 Thread Ryan Kaldari
Yes, we only looked at Latin fonts. We are working on an FAQ, however, that explains how wikis that use non-Latin scripts can specify their own font stack using MediaWiki:Vector.css. Ryan Kaldari On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Alolita Sharma asha...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Ryan, This is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2014-03-03 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 03.03.2014 21:38, schrieb Sumana Harihareswara: Ryan, thank you superlatively for doing and documenting this research. +1 -- daniel ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2014-03-03 Thread Jon Robson
Thanks for the update Ryan and for investing your effort in this considering the typography refresh it is a spare time project! I'm excited to see the results. What about headings? Are you going to run similar tests? On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2014-03-03 Thread Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: I spent most of Friday working on font evaluation with the designers. [...] given a style score based on readability, neutrality, and authority (does the font look like it conveys reliable information). What does

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2014-03-03 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, I wanted to give everyone an update from an in-person conversation I had with Ryan (see...see...I do talk to people in person!) :-) Ryan and crew, I'm really glad you all are following through with documentation and doing all of the testing you are. Thank you! If we're going to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2014-03-03 Thread Brian Wolff
On Mar 3, 2014 4:58 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: Yes, we only looked at Latin fonts. We are working on an FAQ, however, that explains how wikis that use non-Latin scripts can specify their own font stack using MediaWiki:Vector.css. Ryan Kaldari I dont think users should

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2014-03-03 Thread Ryan Kaldari
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 3, 2014 4:58 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: Yes, we only looked at Latin fonts. We are working on an FAQ, however, that explains how wikis that use non-Latin scripts can specify their own font

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2014-03-03 Thread Jon Robson
Also with LESS we would be able to substitute the font variables on a per language basis with a little tweaking. This is pretty trivial to do and I'd suggest a reactionary approach. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Brian

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2014-03-03 Thread Ryan Kaldari
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.orgwrote: What does neutrality mean in the context of a font? I'm sure the designers could give a better explanation, but basically it means that the font doesn't have any noticeable tone, i.e. it isn't whimsical, cool,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mentors with two or more candidates interested (was GSOC-2014 aspirant)

2014-03-03 Thread Quim Gil
On 03/03/2014 05:27 AM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote: https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#10._Can_a_group_apply_for_and_work_on_a Can a group apply for and work on a single proposal? No, only an individual may work on a given project.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2014-03-03 Thread Steven Walling
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.orgwrote: What does neutrality mean in the context of a font? I'm having trouble figuring out what authority might actually mean besides Does this seem familiar to me from sites I use for reference?. These are not terms

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2014-03-03 Thread Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: One number covering all three. One thing I wonder about is the difference in style score for Arimo (5) and Liberation Sans (10). Apparently the only difference between the two is the hinting. Something this subjective

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2014-03-03 Thread Ryan Kaldari
There are two very different versions of Liberation Sans, which makes testing somewhat complicated. Liberation Sans 1.0 has bad kerning and little support for extended Unicode. Liberation Sans 2.0 has great kerning and implements support for a lot more glyphs, but not always correctly. The version

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Bug 7148] Requesting watchlist for changes to category content.

2014-03-03 Thread Gryllida
It would seem to me that the Collection extension, which provides 'books' for various sister projects, could be adapted for favorites: 'Book:Username' where a user can stick favorite articles and group by sections. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection Thoughts? - Original

[Wikitech-l] Favorites for MW

2014-03-03 Thread Gryllida
OK, this was actually meant to have a more descriptive message subject. Ignore the previous message... - Original message - From: Gryllida To: wikitech-l Subject: Fwd: [Bug 7148] Requesting watchlist for changes to category content. Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2014 13:27:11 +1100 It would seem to

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Quarterly reviews of high priority WMF initiatives

2014-03-03 Thread Tilman Bayer
Minutes and slides from Friday's quarterly review of the Foundation's Growth team are now available at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/Quarterly_reviews/Growth/February_2014 . On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi folks, to