Re: [Wikitech-l] Transcluding non-text content as HTML on wikitext pages

2014-05-17 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 16.05.2014 21:07, schrieb Gabriel Wicke: On 05/15/2014 04:42 PM, Daniel Kinzler wrote: The one thing that will not work on wikis with $wgRawHtml disabled is parsing the output of expandtemplates. Yes, which means that it won't work with Parsoid, Flow, VE and other users. And it has been

Re: [Wikitech-l] Transcluding non-text content as HTML on wikitext pages

2014-05-17 Thread Subramanya Sastry
(Top posting to quickly summarize what I gathered from the discussion and what would be required for Parsoid to expand pages with these transclusions). Parsoid currently relies on the mediawiki API to preprocess transclusions and return wikitext (uses action=expandtemplates for this) which

Re: [Wikitech-l] Transcluding non-text content as HTML on wikitext pages

2014-05-17 Thread Subramanya Sastry
On 05/17/2014 10:51 AM, Subramanya Sastry wrote: So, going back to your original implementation, here are at least 3 ways I see this working: 2. action=expandtemplates returns a html.../html for the expansion of {{T}}, but also provides an additional API response header that tells Parsoid

Re: [Wikitech-l] Transcluding non-text content as HTML on wikitext pages

2014-05-17 Thread Gabriel Wicke
On 05/17/2014 05:57 PM, Subramanya Sastry wrote: On 05/17/2014 10:51 AM, Subramanya Sastry wrote: So, going back to your original implementation, here are at least 3 ways I see this working: 2. action=expandtemplates returns a html.../html for the expansion of {{T}}, but also provides an

Re: [Wikitech-l] Login to Wikimedia Phabricator with a GitHub/Google/etc account?

2014-05-17 Thread Steven Walling
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: I'm mostly worried about security issues in 3rd party implementations of oAuth that we can't control. I asked Chris S. about this earlier today and I hope he'll expand on this some more--especially concerning to me was the

[Wikitech-l] Deployments of new, radically different default features

2014-05-17 Thread Rainer Rillke
Recently, Media Viewer[1] (MMV) has been switched at Wikimedia Commons to be default. As some people do not care a lot for beta features or new features, do not read the mailing lists and overlook main discussion forums or are just unable to understand English, they were surprised and confused

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployments of new, radically different default features

2014-05-17 Thread Max Semenik
I thought we already had this discussion recently: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/412782?do=post_view_threaded#412782 On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Rainer Rillke rainerril...@hotmail.comwrote: Recently, Media Viewer[1] (MMV) has been switched at Wikimedia Commons to be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployments of new, radically different default features

2014-05-17 Thread Daniel Schwen
Rainer makes a few good points. This is not just another weekly software update, this is a high profile interface change. The discussion Max linked to did not have the same scope. And the site notice is just point A in a set of three sensible suggestions. I've followed the development of the Media

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployments of new, radically different default features

2014-05-17 Thread John
Here is an interesting deployment idea, roll out but leave as opt-in for a period of time, after a month or so, set as default for anons and new accounts, During the whole process keep track of who has enabled it and then disabled it, vs never enabled it. After a period of time move everyone who

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployments of new, radically different default features

2014-05-17 Thread Max Semenik
I actually think that anons should be the last to gget new features if at all possible: they are the group least informed about projects' internal workings and thus it's hard for them to report problems. On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 3:37 PM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: Here is an

Re: [Wikitech-l] Transcluding non-text content as HTML on wikitext pages

2014-05-17 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 17.05.2014 17:57, schrieb Subramanya Sastry: On 05/17/2014 10:51 AM, Subramanya Sastry wrote: So, going back to your original implementation, here are at least 3 ways I see this working: 2. action=expandtemplates returns a html.../html for the expansion of {{T}}, but also provides an

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployments of new, radically different default features

2014-05-17 Thread Brian Wolff
On 5/17/14, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: I actually think that anons should be the last to gget new features if at all possible: they are the group least informed about projects' internal workings and thus it's hard for them to report problems. +1 I'm reminded of a type of issue

Re: [Wikitech-l] Transcluding non-text content as HTML on wikitext pages

2014-05-17 Thread Subramanya Sastry
On 05/17/2014 06:14 PM, Daniel Kinzler wrote: Am 17.05.2014 17:57, schrieb Subramanya Sastry: On 05/17/2014 10:51 AM, Subramanya Sastry wrote: So, going back to your original implementation, here are at least 3 ways I see this working: 2. action=expandtemplates returns a html.../html for the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Performance guidelines - aim to make official 23 May

2014-05-17 Thread MZMcBride
Sumana Harihareswara wrote: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Performance_guidelines I think this page is ready to have the {{draft}} tag removed. I believe it now represents our consensus on what MediaWiki core, extensions, and gadgets developers should do to preserve high performance. This looks

Re: [Wikitech-l] Login to Wikimedia Phabricator with a GitHub/Google/etc account?

2014-05-17 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: Obviously with Google and Facebook as options we don't stand to gain a lot in terms of technical contributions. This isn't necessarily true. I know that I personally would prefer to be able to log in with my Google