Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

Gergo Tisza wrote: >- First of all, I'd like to thank the Code of Conduct committee for doing >their job. It's a hard job where they need to make difficult judgement >calls, and are criticized harshly when they make a bad judgement and >ignored at best when they make a good one (although more

[Wikitech-l] Wikimedia production issues (August 2018)

How did we do in our strive for operational excellence since last month? Read on to find out! ## The month in numbers * 2 documented incidents since July 19. [1] * 55 Wikimedia-log-errors tasks closed after July 19. [2] * 31 Wikimedia-log-errors tasks created after July 19. [3] Logstash

[Wikitech-l] Invitation to a "Wikimedia Café" casual online meetup

Hi folks, Based on comments that I received on Wikimedia-l, I would like to invite people to a casual online meetup one hour before the monthly WMF Metrics and Activities Meeting. There will be no set agenda. You can come with questions or ideas that you would like to discuss. Please be willing

Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

I'm not sure I completely understand the problem. What is being called a "lack of transparency" is the opposite of "privacy by design." What is being called a bug, is perhaps a feature. The irony of this, ought not be missed. On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 6:33 PM Isarra Yos wrote: > An interesting

Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

> > If we really feel people trying to interact with a banned users should find > out the user is banned, it could be displayed in their Phabricator profile > or in the Phabricator calendar (that results in a little notice icon > everywhere the username is used), although I'd hope the banned

Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

An interesting comparison, democracy. Community consensus and transparency were what brought our shared project to the great heights we now see, and yet the CoC and especially its enforcement are rooted in none of this. If this trainwreck that we are currently experiencing on this list is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Completion of GSoC work : Achievements and Quiz module in Commons app

Congrats Tanvi! Glad to hear you had a good time working on the project. And, the recording shows neat implementation :) Thanks, Josephine and Vivek for mentoring Tanvi and supporting her work! On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 2:14 PM, Ramsey Isler wrote: > Congrats, Tanvi! Good work :) > > On Thu,

Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 7:41 AM Stas Malyshev wrote: > 1. The account was disabled without any indication (except the email to > the person owning it, which is also rather easy to miss - not the > admin's fault, but read on) of what and why happened, as far as I could > see. Note that Phabricator

Re: [Wikitech-l] Completion of GSoC work : Achievements and Quiz module in Commons app

Congrats, Tanvi! Good work :) On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 1:34 PM Tanvi Dadu wrote: > Greeting! > I am Tanvi Dadu, GSoC 2018 participant. For the past three months, I have > been working on Achievements Module in Commons App and > quiz >

Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

Some thoughts: - First of all, I'd like to thank the Code of Conduct committee for doing their job. It's a hard job where they need to make difficult judgement calls, and are criticized harshly when they make a bad judgement and ignored at best when they make a good one (although more likely they

Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

Hi everyone, I’ve been following this discussion from afar (literally from a remote mountainous part of Greece [1]) so please excuse the reflection. I saw this today: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/08/jeongpedia/566897/

[Wikitech-l] Completion of GSoC work : Achievements and Quiz module in Commons app

Greeting! I am Tanvi Dadu, GSoC 2018 participant. For the past three months, I have been working on Achievements Module in Commons App and quiz and it gives me immense happiness to say that I

[Wikitech-l] Renaming user rights in an existing extension - help and procedure

Hello, I'd like to request advice on handling a task at hand. It results that Extension:ArticleToCategory2 is using some sort of old-fashioned way to name their user rights (ie: ArticleToCategory2AddCat instead of all

[Wikitech-l] 2018-08-08 Scrum of Scrums meeting note

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Scrum_of_scrums/2018-08-08 = 2018-08-08 = == Callouts == * Need help reviewing https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/mediawiki/ extensions/WikimediaEvents/+/450021/Anyone? (I added Timo as a reviewer - Ian) * Release Engineering: feedback needed from various teams on

Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

Hi! > to me that this could easily be used as a shaming and blaming list. If the > block is over and the person wants to change their behavior, it might be > hard for them to start with a clean sheet if we keep a backlog public of > everyone. I'd see it not only as a privacy issue for the people

Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

Am Do., 9. Aug. 2018 um 13:50 Uhr schrieb Aryeh Gregor : > To begin with, punishment of any infraction that occurred in a > publicly-accessible forum such as Phabricator can be public. If the > infraction itself can remain public, the punishment for it can also. > That seems like a good starting

Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

I don't yet. :) But please follow our work on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_health_initiative and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/2660/ your participation and feedback would be awesome! On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:47 AM David Cuenca Tudela wrote: > On Thu, Aug 9, 2018

Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 5:19 PM David Barratt wrote: > However, there will have to be a significant number of major changes before > that can be a reality. > Which kind of changes? ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

> > So basically your're saying that the wiki way of doing things, were > blocks and bans are public and often contain the offending diff, is > bad and should not be followed. Is the CoC committee really the venue > where such a decision should be made? Shouldn't the wiki way be the > default

Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

On 09/08/18 07:40, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: No, it was not thoughtful. What actually happened is that the other users are now submerged with dozens of emails analyzing that interjection. Sure, it's pretty easy to ignore this thread or even mute it in one's email reader, but one could just as well

Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

2018-08-09 15:12 GMT+03:00 Lucie Kaffee : > I understand the wish for a more transparent process. (What a good thing > there is the possibility to suggest amendments to the CoC!) > But I would like you to consider the following: Someone, who was warned, or > even blocked, might change their

Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

Hello everyone, I am also putting off my hat as someone in the CoC committee and not speaking for the committee but for myself. There are a few points I would like you to consider. First of all, we are volunteers in the committee as well. I do this in my free time as much as most of the people

Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 2:13 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > Are you sure about that? I think the Code of Conduct Committee _is_ > arguing that it's the use of the word "fuck" that was problematic here. If > I had written "Why did you do that?!" instead of "What the fuck.", do you > think I would have had

Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 11:29 PM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote: > 3) not being able to discuss cases clearly also bothers me too as I can't > clarify points. But these secrecy is there for a reason. We have cases of > sexual harassment in Wikimedia events, do you want us to communicate those > too? And if

Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

2018-08-09 12:10 GMT+03:00 Fæ : > > > No Amir, you cannot build a logical post-hoc rationale for this block > for the debatably single inappropriate use of WTF, if it hangs on > cherry picking an essay from the English Wikipedia as "positive > evidence", while choosing to ignore "negative

Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

2018-08-08 12:08 GMT+02:00 Amir Ladsgroup : > We sent the user an email using the "Email to user" functionality from > mediawiki.org the moment I enforced the ban. > What happens if a user has this function disabled? ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

The CoC does not exist in a vacuum and is itself ultimately only has any authority through the largess of the WMF board and its resolutions. The Code of Conduct Committee is dangerously arrogant if its members believe they are independent of the WMF's policies or WMF legal. For the Committee to

Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

2018-08-08 23:29 GMT+03:00 Amir Ladsgroup : > Taking my coc hat off, I'm not representing the committee at all. > Several things have been misunderstood imo. I want to address them. > 1) The use of profanity is not prohibited by the COC, using them against > others or for unconstructive reasons

Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

2018-08-08 21:42 GMT+03:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) : > The message which was sanctioned was even of an especially thoughtful > kind, in my opinion, because it didn't attempt to submerge the other users > with walls of text, politically correct tirades or otherwise charged > statements. It was merely

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: My Phabricator account has been disabled

Hi! I do support the CoC. There is a trade-off between being inclusive and enforcing a CoC (that is implicitly based on a US-German concordance of cultural norms). I share the vision of the Wikimedia movement and I want to contribute towards the goals. To do that a reasonable pleasant working

Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

2018-08-08 23:32 GMT+02:00 Ori Livneh : > The responses to that included on-wiki comments telling me to go > fuck myself > > > You said it! You said it! :-) https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hwqkh ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] coc ban

On Wed, 2018-08-08 at 15:36 +0100, Fæ wrote: > So what? Nah, rather https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism when someone brings up en.wp stuff though the subject line says CoC? andre -- Andre Klapper | Bugwrangler / Developer Advocate https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: My Phabricator account has been disabled

Hi! On 8/8/18 1:58 PM, bawolff wrote: > On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 8:29 PM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote: > [...] >> 2) the duration of block which is for one week was determined and >> communicated in the email. You can check the email as it's public now. > > Can you be more specific? I'm not sure I see