Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

2018-08-14 Thread George Herbert
I keep seeing "abusers" and I still haven't seen the evidence of the alleged long term abuse pattern. Again, this isn't enwiki, but there would be a large mob gathering at the administrators' doorstep on enwiki for a block without that context and backstory. That's not exactly the standard here,

Re: [Wikitech-l] My Phabricator account has been disabled

2018-08-10 Thread George Herbert
This is not occurring on enwiki; however, if it was, given that this is a longstanding user I would expect to see a pattern of warnings, a long set of diffs for prior incidents, clear documentation of both the rule *and* the social context for the problem before someone gets blocked for a week. If

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] For the Sake of Simplicity

2015-04-22 Thread George Herbert
Merely removing features is not deep enough. This is fundamentally at its origins an architecture challenge, and a development management challenge. Removing features is rearguard action, not properly conceived engagement with the problem. Complexity can be neutral; code size by itself is not

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] For the Sake of Simplicity

2015-04-22 Thread George Herbert
, George Herbert wrote: He does not seem to understand the harm of complexity, and does not here appear to understand the role that singular architects and dev leaders and style guides and code standards can have. I'm pretty sure I disagree with this. Any system will begin to show emergent

[Wikitech-l] Tweet of site outage

2015-02-05 Thread George Herbert
I saw a WMF tweet of a site outage (network?) around 9:30am Pacific time, by the time I could check now things seem ok on en Any news on root cause? George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikitech-l] En.wikipedia redirect loops on everything (??!!)

2014-05-13 Thread George Herbert
I am getting redirect loops on every page I try right now on en.wikipedia -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] En.wikipedia redirect loops on everything (??!!)

2014-05-13 Thread George Herbert
, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.comwrote: I am getting redirect loops on every page I try right now on en.wikipedia -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing

Re: [Wikitech-l] En.wikipedia redirect loops on everything (??!!)

2014-05-13 Thread George Herbert
, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com wrote: On May 13, 2014 11:00 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: I am getting redirect loops on every page I try right now on en.wikipedia More details? Tested logged in and out. (clean cookie jar) didn't notice anything weird

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-07 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Matthew Flaschen mflasc...@wikimedia.org wrote: Yes, it does. Unless the entire branch has a serious problem (500s or major caching problems, etc.), we don't generally switch the entire

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-07 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 5:39 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: With all due respect; hell, yes, development comes in second to operational stability. This is not disrespecting development, which

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread George Herbert
To take a couple of steps back... This happened because testing isn't robust enough? That should be discussed and followed up on. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread George Herbert
Tyler wrote: 1. Fix the extension quickly 2. Revert the change 3. Undeploy the extension until its fixed to be compatible with core So to summarize, #3 is obviously not an option. For #2, are we supposed to block core development, and let this bug persist indefinitely, because of a

Re: [Wikitech-l] ARM servers

2014-01-13 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.orgwrote: In fact, it would slow down individual requests by a factor of 7, judging by the benchmarks of Calxeda and Xeon CPUs at http://www.eembc.org/coremark/index.php So instead of a 10s parse time, you would have 70s.

[Wikitech-l] Captcha filter list

2013-12-31 Thread George Herbert
Just got a report and screenshot that a new user got this string for their captcha on en.wikipedia nigerblew http://snag.gy/JpSUR.jpg Though several people are pointing out that Niger is a country, I think it's reasonable to try and avoid things close to the two-g version of that word; nobody's

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha filter list

2013-12-31 Thread George Herbert
Tyler, websites everywhere blacklist offensive words (and with some regularity, look and sound-alikes) from the random captcha generator... I don't personally care, you don't, but if we offend people needlessly it's an oops. We need some elements of the site to meet Lowest Common Denominator

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: wikimedia dns issue

2013-11-26 Thread George Herbert
Fwd - Randy Bush in Tokyo is reporting WMF donation server DNS issues. -- Forwarded message -- From: Randy Bush ra...@psg.com Date: Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:44 PM Subject: wikimedia dns issue To: North American Network Operators' Group na...@nanog.org leslie, you out there?

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [outages] Wikipedia down?

2013-11-08 Thread George Herbert
There was a report of external issues reaching en.wikipedia.org - nginx timeouts - about 1 hour ago, also reported resolved. Forwarding in from outages-l as I haven't seen any internal discussion... -george -- Forwarded message -- From: Marco Davids (SIDN) marco.dav...@sidn.nl

Re: [Wikitech-l] Officially supported MediaWiki hosting service?

2013-10-02 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Chris McMahon cmcma...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 7:57 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Ori Livneh o...@wikimedia.org wrote: Foundation could play in ensuring that MediaWiki exposes

Re: [Wikitech-l] Officially supported MediaWiki hosting service?

2013-10-01 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Ori Livneh o...@wikimedia.org wrote: Foundation could play in ensuring that MediaWiki exposes the right set of interfaces for deep integration with configuration management and cloud provisioning platforms, and ensuring that these interfaces are intuitive and

Re: [Wikitech-l] SSL security, part II.

2013-09-06 Thread George Herbert
Scott writes: Has anyone looked at our internal network infra closely? Yes, but system security and security of the private keys are equally important. On general principles, after the TLS 1.2 / HTTPS everywhere default is in place, they private keys should be updated, with as secure and

Re: [Wikitech-l] HTTPS for logged in users on Wednesday August 21st

2013-08-20 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: The lack of secure login on WMF wikis is a *major security issue*, and AFAIK is the biggest publicly known security issue in the site. Time out... We do not have a lack of secure login. That was solved a long time

Re: [Wikitech-l] HTTPS for logged in users on Wednesday August 21st

2013-08-20 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:46 PM, George William Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: The change must be delayed until people geographically / nationally denied HTTPS can log in again. Tim's working on a patch that

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [outages] www.wikipedia.com from Level3 via IPv6 not working

2013-08-07 Thread George Herbert
Not sure if this is real or not, but report that some IPv6 ingress to WMF not working at the moment from Level3 networks. -george -- Forwarded message -- From: cb.list6 cb.li...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 11:17 AM Subject: [outages] www.wikipedia.com from Level3 via IPv6

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [outages] www.wikipedia.com from Level3 via IPv6 not working

2013-08-07 Thread George Herbert
The original reporter saw the same restoration of service (I assume)... Question - Are the WMF ops folks on the NANOG and outages lists? Was this redundant reporting? 8-) -- Forwarded message -- From: cb.list6 cb.li...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:40 PM Subject: Re:

[Wikitech-l] The Damned Commons Image Deletion Cycle

2013-08-05 Thread George Herbert
I have just had to deal with this - AGAIN - and would like to rail for a moment, hoping to provoke discussion to promote change. I posit that this is big enough to deserve a Foundation-wide venue for initial discussion so am including Wikitech-L. Most of us are probably familiar with the cycle:

Re: [Wikitech-l] The Damned Commons Image Deletion Cycle

2013-08-05 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:43 AM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Suggestion 3: Restore the file on en.wiki if it gets deleted on Commons... No coding needed at all. This right here. It should be trivial to

Re: [Wikitech-l] The Damned Commons Image Deletion Cycle

2013-08-05 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:54 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 August 2013 08:43, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Suggestion 3: Restore the file on en.wiki if it gets deleted on Commons... No

Re: [Wikitech-l] The Damned Commons Image Deletion Cycle

2013-08-05 Thread George Herbert
, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:54 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 August 2013 08:43, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Suggestion 3

Re: [Wikitech-l] The Damned Commons Image Deletion Cycle

2013-08-05 Thread George Herbert
On Aug 5, 2013, at 3:24 AM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Besides that we have maybe 10 project that allow fair-use Why do we need to break links at 600+ wiki's for 10 wiki's with a different policy? It would be nice if the Foundation and other projects, particularly shared

Re: [Wikitech-l] How's the SSL thing going?

2013-07-31 Thread George Herbert
It would be useful to focus on the short term problem and solution; the coming quantum computer factoring factory issue which will render large-prime crypto less useful is still on the horizon. The big threat is lack of basic HTTPS everywhere. The second is site key security (ensuring the NSA

Re: [Wikitech-l] python vs php

2013-07-27 Thread George Herbert
This is not exactly the best venue, as MediaWiki is somewhat firmly committed by now, but Python is more firmly committed to good OOP principles and cleaner as a result if you code pretty consistently in that mode. There seem to be less complete Python web frameworks / toolkits in comparison,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Git migration: complete

2013-07-27 Thread George Herbert
On Jul 26, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org wrote: And put a note in your calendar for sometime in 2019 or 2020 to suggest we move off Git... Ha ha. Seriously, there is no good theoretical new model for source code management on the horizon nor any evident

Re: [Wikitech-l] python vs php

2013-07-27 Thread George Herbert
You forgot Erlang, for those programming flow management... 8-) But yes, this is an open ended rathole... Not good for this list, probably. George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com wrote: Can we all just agree that haskell,

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC] performance standards for new mediawiki features

2013-03-26 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Asher Feldman afeld...@wikimedia.orgwrote: There are all good points, and we certainly do need better tooling for individual developers. There are a lot of things a developer can do on just a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Redis with SSDs

2013-03-07 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting article I found about Redis and its poor performance with SSDs as a swap medium. For whoever might be interested. http://antirez.com/news/52 This was not particularly insightful or useful; Redis swapping is

Re: [Wikitech-l] #switch limits

2012-09-21 Thread George Herbert
Alternately; if ever there was a case for automatedly creating a whole hierarchy of new separate templates for each article, or even just directly editing the articles and putting the data in... Templates would make finding and updating later somewhat easier I think. Just have one per location

Re: [Wikitech-l] scaled media (thumbs) as *temporary* files, not stored forever

2012-08-31 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 10:26 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 August 2012 18:21, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: +1 I was very surprised to learn any thumbnail sizes could be generated. We should standardise on a tiny, small,medium high and original resolutions. 5 sizes

Re: [Wikitech-l] scaled media (thumbs) as *temporary* files, not stored forever

2012-08-31 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: Keep in mind also that in the glorious unicorn-filled future most people who aren't doing low-level template work will rarely see the markup. They'll just push a button to insert an image. Is that really a rainbow coming out

[Wikitech-l] WMF Site nginx problem?

2012-08-02 Thread George Herbert
I'm getting 502 bad gateways / nginx error from all attempts to hit WMF sites including en.wikipedia and wikimedia.org and others, right now... -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF Site nginx problem?

2012-08-02 Thread George Herbert
...And back for me. On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 2:17 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: I'm getting 502 bad gateways / nginx error from all attempts to hit WMF sites including en.wikipedia and wikimedia.org and others, right now... -- -george william herbert george.herb

Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF Site nginx problem?

2012-08-02 Thread George Herbert
As a guess... They probably wanted to make sure it was accidental and not some denial of service attack (i.e., newsworthy). Were say Anonymous to jump on us for some unforseeable reason, it would be newsworthy, and I am sure the newsies would come running to everyone ever publicly identified as

Re: [Wikitech-l] Decentralized data center

2012-01-23 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, What we need is a database with a robust and fool proof synchronisation process. Latency is important when all the databases have to be synchronised all the time. When articles only need to be the latest

Re: [Wikitech-l] RFC: Modifying diff colors due to color blindness issues

2011-07-27 Thread George Herbert
Could we get visual mockups of the various proposals, preferably stacked on one page so we can compare them fairly easily? On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote:        Underlines and overlines.  I would like to see an experimental version with those.

Re: [Wikitech-l] WYSIWYG and parser plans (was What is wrong with Wikia's WYSIWYG?)

2011-05-02 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: Magnus Manske wrote: So, why not use my WYSIFTW approach? It will only parse the parts of the wikitext that it can turn back, edited or unedited, into wikitext, unaltered (including whitespace) if not manually changed.

[Wikitech-l] Ops problem with secure.wikimedia.org

2011-03-23 Thread George Herbert
Trying to edit is failing: Proxy Error The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. The proxy server could not handle the request GET /wikipedia/en/w/index.php. Reason: Error reading from remote server Reading articles still works ok. -- -george william herbert

Re: [Wikitech-l] are you sure you want everything via HTTPS?

2011-02-15 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:09 PM, jida...@jidanni.org wrote: Is that how Facebook™ or Google™ operate, sending every single component via HTTPS? No. Only the vital personal settings, password stuff is done that way. As for not letting people know what pages you are browsing, well, I don't

Re: [Wikitech-l] are you sure you want everything via HTTPS?

2011-02-15 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: All this boils down to, yes full HTTPS is best practice, but if you make use of external APIs or services, it may be hard to achieve. We don't for anything, I believe. - Ryan Lane There was some discussion on making

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] New two-part schedule for 1.17 deployment

2011-02-10 Thread George Herbert
Thank you for this. Will ops staff be monitoring wikitech-l for email reports of observed problems from those of us who are IRC-impaired? Is there an another preferred non-IRC channel for reports? Thanks. On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi everyone,

[Wikitech-l] WMF and IPv6

2011-02-03 Thread George Herbert
I just checked and determined that there appear to be no records yet for the WMF servers. I have to admit to having been negligent in examining the IPv6 readiness of the Mediawiki software. Is it generally working and ready to go on IPv6? Does the Foundation have a IPv6 support plan ready

Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF and IPv6

2011-02-03 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: - Original Message - From: George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com I just checked and determined that there appear to be no records yet for the WMF servers. I have to admit to having been negligent

Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF and IPv6

2011-02-03 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:05 PM, River Tarnell r.tarn...@ieee.org wrote: Does any useful discussion still take place on that list?        - river. I don't know; did any ever? 8-) It doesn't matter if Apache supports IPv6, since the Internet-facing HTTP servers for wikis are reverse proxies,

Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF and IPv6

2011-02-03 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: (APNIC runs out of IPv4 space to give to providers somewhere around August, statistically; RIPE in Feb or March 2012, ARIN in July 2012). ARIN issued the last 5 available /8s to RIRs *today*; we've been talking about it

Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF and IPv6

2011-02-03 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: - Original Message - From: River Tarnell r.tarn...@ieee.org It doesn't matter if Apache supports IPv6, since the Internet-facing HTTP servers for wikis are reverse proxies, either Squid or Varnish. I believe the

Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF and IPv6

2011-02-03 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:21 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: - Original Message - From: River Tarnell r.tarn...@ieee.org It doesn't matter if Apache supports IPv6, since the Internet-facing HTTP

Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF and IPv6

2011-02-03 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:35 PM, River Tarnell r.tarn...@ieee.org wrote: In article AANLkTi=OnSreaXMi3Gc+0==tzoq1jfix63xrkthv6...@mail.gmail.com, George Herbert  george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: Q: Are we doing tproxy between the squids and apache servers? No.  But since you mention it, LVS

Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF and IPv6

2011-02-03 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: If we NAT between the squids and the apaches, will that adversely affect the ability of MW to *know* the outside site's IP address when that's v6? You're

Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF and IPv6

2011-02-03 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: You're making assumptions here that the residential ISPs in the US and Asia have stated aren't true... I'm awfully sure

Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF and IPv6

2011-02-03 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 04/02/11 08:13, George Herbert wrote: [...] Ah, yes.  That problem.  We're using that hacked up Squid 2.7, right? I'm not as involved as I was a couple of years ago, but I was running a large Squid 3.0

Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF and IPv6

2011-02-03 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 04/02/11 11:39, George Herbert wrote: Broken IPv6 routing will be evident to the providers and users, because nothing will work.  I would expect few complaints to us... (perhaps naively

Re: [Wikitech-l] Farewell JSMin, Hello JavaScriptDistiller!

2011-01-20 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:33 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 January 2011 22:13, Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org wrote: For those of you who didn't see bug 26791, our use of JSMin has been found to conflict with our GPL license. On behalf of all aspiring Dark Lords,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Cross-wiki user talk notification

2011-01-17 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Happy-melon happy-me...@live.com wrote: Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote in message news:4d34a033.9080...@gmail.com... CentralAuth is not really an entry level extension, but you may have luck since you would just be adding hooks. Now there's the

Re: [Wikitech-l] What would be a perfect wiki syntax? (Re: WYSIWYG)

2011-01-06 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: From: George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com I suspect that diffs are relatively rare events in the day to day WMF processing, though non-trivial

Re: [Wikitech-l] What would be a perfect wiki syntax? (Re: WYSIWYG)

2011-01-05 Thread George Herbert
I just started testing WYSIWTF; I would like to encourage as many other people on this list to do so as well. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:22 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 January 2011 22:16, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: Having XML-based content would also enable a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Need some input

2011-01-05 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Benjamin Lees emufarm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:40 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Pirates are rather more flamboyant in introducing them to the sharks. As the technical contributors, which do you think is better for educating the

Re: [Wikitech-l] What would be a perfect wiki syntax? (Re: WYSIWYG)

2011-01-05 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: Original Message - From: Daniel Kinzler dan...@brightbyte.de On 05.01.2011 05:25, Jay Ashworth wrote: I believe the snap reaction here is you haven't tried to diff XML, have you? A text-based diff of XML sucks,

Re: [Wikitech-l] What do we want to accomplish? (was Re: WikiCreole)

2011-01-05 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: - Original Message - From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com Many, many bright people have dashed their foreheads against the problem. Andreas Jonsson thinks he's largely cracked it:

Re: [Wikitech-l] What would be a perfect wiki syntax? (Re: WYSIWYG)

2011-01-03 Thread George Herbert
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 6:28 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: [...] This has been done a dozen times in the last 5 years, lampak.  The short version, as much as *I* am displeased with the fact that we'll never have *bold*, /italic/ and _underscore_, is that the installed base, both of

Re: [Wikitech-l] How would you disrupt Wikipedia?

2010-12-29 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 2:26 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 December 2010 08:24, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: To me (and others), that leaves the question of what would happen if you wrote some software that was actually built for making an encyclopedia, rather than

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-28 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 3:43 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 December 2010 16:54, Stephanie Daugherty sdaughe...@gmail.com wrote: Not only is the current markup a barrier to participation, it's a barrier to development. As I argued on Wikien-l, starting over with a markup that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Using MySQL as a NoSQL

2010-12-23 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: Nikola Smolenski wrote: I have recently encountered this text in which the author claims very high MySQL speedups for simple queries (7.5 times faster than MySQL, twice faster than memcached) by reading the data directly

Re: [Wikitech-l] [WikiEN-l] Images loading slowly?

2010-11-04 Thread George Herbert
I was fine until now; https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Fat_Man has the top image broken now consistently. I have checked on multiple computers, same results. Cc'ed wikitech-l. I'd post to IRC but I'm not able to access it at the moment... -george On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 12:28

Re: [Wikitech-l] Firesheep

2010-10-26 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Ashar Voultoiz hashar+...@free.fr wrote: On 25/10/10 23:26, George Herbert wrote: I for one only use secure.wikimedia.org; I would like to urge as a general course that the Foundation switch to a HTTPS by default strategy... HTTPS means full encryption

Re: [Wikitech-l] Firesheep

2010-10-26 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:59 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: George Herbert wrote: The current WMF situation is becoming quaint - pros use secure.wikimedia.org, amateurs don't realize what they're exposing. By professional standards, we're not keeping up with professional industry

Re: [Wikitech-l] Firesheep

2010-10-25 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Anyway, this is all doable in principle, yes.  It will probably impose no significant processing overhead, CPUs are powerful enough today that TLS shouldn't be a big deal.  (I recall hearing that Google

Re: [Wikitech-l] Parallel computing project

2010-10-25 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Ariel T. Glenn ar...@wikimedia.org wrote: I am following this discussion and happy to bat around ideas if there's something that might be appropriate for your course, Aryeh.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Parallel computing project

2010-10-25 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:15 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: (suppressing grumbles about diff engine for edit conflicts, probably an algorithm rather than speed issue) Diffs are fast enough

[Wikitech-l] Regression suite? Was: Re: Database drivers

2010-09-07 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Given those criteria, I think that the following have full support in MediaWiki: * MySQL * SQLite * PostgreSQL In practice, though, SQLite

[Wikitech-l] Odd problem with File:Yes-check.svg

2010-08-30 Thread George Herbert
So... ( Bear with me a bit ) A couple of days ago, my browsers stopped rendering the {{resolved}} template properly. The image was showing broken. Eventually got around to tracking it down, found File:Yes-check.svg which only exists on Commons now. It was broken when I went to view it, all

[Wikitech-l] Account creation only block

2010-06-14 Thread George Herbert
Without having time to deep-dive the source code tonight - How difficult do developers feel that it would be to add the ability to block an account or IP range and only remove the ability to create accounts, not remove the ability to edit? We have the bit to block and block account creation (or

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bugzilla bugged

2010-05-24 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: It is annoying yeah, I ended up having to do the recovery 6 times since I first assumed I was doing something wrong... A fix would be appreciated, no point in limiting passwords to 16 characters! -- Jeroen De Dauw

[Wikitech-l] Lots of proxy errors on secure server

2010-03-30 Thread George Herbert
FYI - I am seeing a lot (10-20% of queries) on secure.wikimedia.org return proxy errors, since the recent outage. I had been hoping it would just go away, but the rate is still high... --- Proxy Error The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. The proxy server could

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lots of proxy errors on secure server

2010-03-30 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 2:35 PM, masti mast...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/30/2010 11:29 PM, George Herbert wrote: FYI - I am seeing a lot (10-20% of queries) on secure.wikimedia.org return proxy errors, since the recent outage.  I had been hoping it would just go away, but the rate is still high

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lots of proxy errors on secure server

2010-03-30 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Schneelocke schneelo...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 23:42, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: George: For what it's worth, it seems to be working fine for me here. Maybe someone else can replicate... I've been having the same problems for a

Re: [Wikitech-l] modernizing mediawiki

2010-03-03 Thread George Herbert
Excellent data point. Thanks, David. On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:42 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 March 2010 05:26, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: If you have better stats, I'm all ears.  I am not in any way a Confluence opponent, and a couple of people I

Re: [Wikitech-l] modernizing mediawiki

2010-03-02 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Chris Lewis yecheondigi...@yahoo.com wrote: I hope I am emailing this to the right group. My concern was about mediawiki and it's limitations, as well as it's outdated methods. As someone wo runs a wiki, I've gone through a lot of frustrations. If Wordpress

Re: [Wikitech-l] modernizing mediawiki

2010-03-02 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: One could possibly design a new wiki system as a pass-through layer, with MW as a back end and with functionality being migrated forwards into the new system over time as people got used to it. I think there's an opportunity

Re: [Wikitech-l] Datamining infoboxes

2009-10-23 Thread George Herbert
This discussion brings to mind several historical threads. I wonder if a project to simply mine the whole article contents and provide a DB of some sort with the articles and infobox contents would be worthwhile. Develop a specific parser and generate and publish the complete set of

[Wikitech-l] Has anyone heard of a file download issue with Mediawiki / Wikipedia?

2009-10-07 Thread George Herbert
I have a Wikipedia OTRS ticket related to someone who keeps getting Download this file dialogs when they go to Wikipedia pages... System description is: I have Vista and IE 8.0.6001.18813. Page they keep seeing this on is: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming Has anyone seen behavior like

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Security holes in Mediawiki

2009-09-15 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Well thankfully the majority of 3rd party users have a better feeling about reporting bugs when they find them. I'm not sure where you got the statistics

Re: [Wikitech-l] __TOC__ handling

2009-09-05 Thread George Herbert
Thanks. I took a quick look, that seems to be a good place to start understanding it. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Dmitriy Sintsovques...@rambler.ru wrote: * George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com [Fri, 4 Sep 2009 20:03:03 -0700]: I'm not at all familiar with the magic words handling

[Wikitech-l] __TOC__ handling

2009-09-04 Thread George Herbert
I'm not at all familiar with the magic words handling stuff; I have a desire to be able to hide lower level headings absolutely (toclimit-3 for example) so I can use level 5 or 6 headings for a particular UI purpose without them showing up in the TOC. According to a response on

Re: [Wikitech-l] SSL certificates for Wikimedia sites

2009-08-12 Thread George Herbert
Unsecure Sockets Layer? (I'll shut up now 8-) On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Brion Vibberbr...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 8/12/09 3:49 PM, Tim Landscheidt wrote: Brion Vibberbr...@wikimedia.org  wrote: [...] I'm primarily thinking about the certificates for: - wikitech.leuksman.com This

Re: [Wikitech-l] Upload fileserver upgrade

2009-08-04 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:30 PM, William Allen Simpsonwilliam.allen.simp...@gmail.com wrote: David Gerard wrote: 2009/8/4 William Allen Simpson william.allen.simp...@gmail.com: If you have to buy now, and are unlikely to upgrade for years, the current gold plated performance version is Sun ZFS

Re: [Wikitech-l] Upload fileserver upgrade

2009-08-04 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Brianbrian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org wrote: We're applying a Solaris kernel patch for the ZFS performance problem on ms1, our main media file server. While in progress, uploads will be

[Wikitech-l] secure seems to be intermittent / very flaky right now

2009-07-29 Thread George Herbert
I haven't seen an announcement go out, but something seems to be borken on secure.wikimedia.org again, at least talking to en.wp. -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Database Abstraction

2009-05-16 Thread George Herbert
On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 2:21 AM, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.comwrote: George, Eventually, supportability and bugfixes for newer versions surpass those for older versions. True, though we don't hit bugs too much in 4.0, it is somewhat rocksolid for us. Eventually not going for 5.4

Re: [Wikitech-l] Problem upgrading from 1.5.8 to 1.14.0

2009-05-01 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org wrote: El 5/1/09 12:41 PM, Leons Petrazickis escribió: It's probably a good idea to go through intermediate version for the upgrade. For example, 1.5 - 1.7 - 1.9 - 1.11 - 1.13. You may be able to make bigger jumps, but

Re: [Wikitech-l] Renameuser right for administrators on Wikimedia wikis

2009-04-03 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.comsimetrical%2bwikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: That said, I'm also not sure why we couldn't trust sysops with this. Assuming the limitation is not

[Wikitech-l] Did we just borkenate the secure server?

2009-03-17 Thread George Herbert
I stopped getting page load replies for about 4-5 min, and they're coming through now but taking several minutes... Main unencrypted site is unusually slow right now, but working. DB issue? Network? Secure server cough up a hairball? I'm hallucinating it all?? (doubt that) -- -george

Re: [Wikitech-l] hosting wikipedia

2009-01-27 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Steve Summit s...@eskimo.com wrote: Jeff Ferland wrote: You'll need a quite impressive machine to host even just the current revisions of the wiki. Expect to expend 10s to even hundreds of gigabytes on the database alone for Wikipedia using only the

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