Re: [Wikitech-l] Types of allowed projects for grant funding (renamed)

2015-02-21 Thread Isarra Yos
This, all of this. On 21/02/15 21:26, Brian Wolff wrote: However that's not a reason to have no IEG grants for tech projects ever, its just a reason for code review to be specifically addressed in the grant proposal, and for the grantee to have a plan. Maybe that plan involves having a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user pages deployed to all wikis

2015-02-21 Thread Isarra Yos
On 21/02/15 15:21, MZMcBride wrote: Instead of deletion, blanking the user page might be a neat way of triggering the global user page to re-appear (a version of pure wiki deletion). Though, of course, some users might want a 0-byte user page. With interface messages, setting the content to

Re: [Wikitech-l] E-mail login to wiki - needs feedback

2015-02-20 Thread Isarra Yos
On 20/02/15 17:28, Brion Vibber wrote: IMO we should strongly discourage use of multiple accounts with the same email to the point of forbidding it in software for new accounts.[1] Figuring out how to migrate those old accounts is something that needs to be considered and worked out, but it

Re: [Wikitech-l] Boil the ocean, be silly, throw the baby out with bathwater, demolish silos, have fun

2015-02-16 Thread Isarra Yos
On 15/02/15 21:03, Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 23:14:59 +0100, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for all the trolling, but why instead of discussing how we need a responsive skin for MediaWiki and waiting for Winter to come don't we just do it: * Move Minerva

Re: [Wikitech-l] DevSummit appreciation

2015-01-29 Thread Isarra Yos
On 28/01/15 06:43, Erik Moeller wrote: Just a quick note that I really appreciated everyone's help making the summit come together. As always, we'll be doing lots of second-guessing of everything we did and didn't do, and how we want to use future time together. Before we go into that, I'd like

Re: [Wikitech-l] The future of shared hosting

2015-01-16 Thread Isarra Yos
On 16/01/15 19:05, Trevor Parscal wrote: I challenge the very foundation of arguments based on this 95% statistic. The 95% statistic is bogus, not because it's inaccurate, but because it's misleading. The number of MediaWiki instances out there is meaningless. The value we get from 3rd party

Re: [Wikitech-l] The future of shared hosting

2015-01-16 Thread Isarra Yos
On 16/01/15 20:28, Brion Vibber wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: The 95% statistic may not be meaningful, but neither is this. The number of users involved does not reflect the importance of the information presented any more than that a project

Re: [Wikitech-l] The future of shared hosting

2015-01-16 Thread Isarra Yos
On 16/01/15 21:20, Erik Moeller wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: What you're forgetting is that WMF abandoned MediaWiki as an Open Source project quite a while ago (at least 2 years

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bugzilla-Phabricator migration (almost) completed

2014-11-23 Thread Isarra Yos
On 24/11/14 07:41, Quim Gil wrote: Happy Monday! We did it. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org now contains all the Bugzilla reports. If you need to check the original Bugzilla, it can be found at https://old-bugzilla-wikimedia.org (never mind the certificate warning, it will go away today or

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Labs-l] Announcement: Yuvi Panda joins Ops

2014-11-07 Thread Isarra Yos
On 07/11/14 13:08, Dan Andreescu wrote: At the same time I find it sad that he moves to the USA because he was invaluable because he was available when the other Labs people were not around. As such he provided a much needed service exactly because he lives in India. Oh that's a common

Re: [Wikitech-l] {{TemplatesThatWorkOnMobile}}

2014-10-07 Thread Isarra Yos
On 07/10/14 22:02, Jon Robson wrote: On mobile we continuously get bugs related to inline styles in templates. For example: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68001 When these happen we usually spend time investigating, discover it is because of a troublesome inline style in the

Re: [Wikitech-l] {{TemplatesThatWorkOnMobile}}

2014-10-07 Thread Isarra Yos
On 07/10/14 22:17, Isarra Yos wrote: On 07/10/14 22:02, Jon Robson wrote: On mobile we continuously get bugs related to inline styles in templates. For example: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68001 When these happen we usually spend time investigating, discover it is because

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wrapping signatures with a span for discoverability

2014-10-03 Thread Isarra Yos
On 01/10/14 01:25, Jackmcbarn wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Would this mean that if people had a fancy sig, and they changed it, it would automatically update everywhere with this magic tag instead of just applying to new signatures? (Which might

Re: [Wikitech-l] git review problems

2014-09-23 Thread Isarra Yos
On 23/09/14 08:25, Gergo Tisza wrote: For accessing the git server, you should check that 1) git remote show origin (or git remote show gerrit - depends on your git-review version + config) returns ssh://gerrit user@ gerrit.wikimedia.org:29418/project name as the push fetch URL 2) ssh -p 29418

Re: [Wikitech-l] git review problems

2014-09-23 Thread Isarra Yos
On 23/09/14 21:13, Gergo Tisza wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: As I understand it, the remotes for the submodules are all set in the parent repository's configuration, and thus will always be the same regardless of how you dowloaded or set up

Re: [Wikitech-l] Backing out REL1_24

2014-09-22 Thread Isarra Yos
On 21/09/14 22:41, Markus Glaser wrote: Hi Isarra, Why is this ahead of schedule? Two months before release seems pretty reasonable to me; ... You don't want to rush this stuff, especially when balancing with breaking changes in the next release. It's ahead of the planned release schedule

Re: [Wikitech-l] Phabricator update

2014-09-22 Thread Isarra Yos
On 16/09/14 13:34, Quim Gil wrote: Hi, if you were wondering what is going on in Phabricator land... Summary: You can see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org , you can touch https://phab-01.wmflabs.org/ , you will have a chance to provide feedback about the Bugzilla migration before the

[Wikitech-l] git review problems

2014-09-22 Thread Isarra Yos
Hi, I had to switch computers the other day, which resulted in my having to reinstall git-review, and now it... doesn't work. Basically there are two problems: for every new repository I use, I now need to add a commit-msg hook to the .git directory, and also ssh doesn't work at all, so I have

Re: [Wikitech-l] git review problems

2014-09-22 Thread Isarra Yos
On 23/09/14 00:26, Isarra Yos wrote: Hi, I had to switch computers the other day, which resulted in my having to reinstall git-review, and now it... doesn't work. Basically there are two problems: for every new repository I use, I now need to add a commit-msg hook to the .git directory

Re: [Wikitech-l] git review problems

2014-09-22 Thread Isarra Yos
On 23/09/14 00:34, Isarra Yos wrote: On 23/09/14 00:26, Isarra Yos wrote: Hi, I had to switch computers the other day, which resulted in my having to reinstall git-review, and now it... doesn't work. Basically there are two problems: for every new repository I use, I now need to add a commit

Re: [Wikitech-l] Backing out REL1_24

2014-09-21 Thread Isarra Yos
On 21/09/14 20:42, Mark A. Hershberger wrote: Dear Wikitech-l REL1_24 was branched and announced ahead of schedule[0]. Our schedule[1] clearly states that we will announce a branch one week before we make one in order to allow developers to put any necessary work into the branch and keep

Re: [Wikitech-l] Add release to special version page

2014-09-06 Thread Isarra Yos
On 05/09/14 22:45, Thomas Mulhall wrote: Can we add a section for release date of the extension or skin release. because it would be easer to view the release date in the special version page then go to the extension page and try to look it up. This does sound like it could be useful, and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Add release to special version page

2014-09-06 Thread Isarra Yos
On 06/09/14 06:42, Chad wrote: Don't we already pull the date from git if it exists? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version says yes. -Chad Oh neat, is that new? Or am I just that unobservant? Well, nevermind, then. What about the tarball ones, though? Do those do it? Seriously, I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Add release to special version page

2014-09-06 Thread Isarra Yos
On 06/09/14 16:28, Thomas Mulhall wrote: What I mean is for the extension to add there own release date so that when they release an updated version like for example 1.0 updated to 1.0.1 or 1.1 and the user goes to the extension and page and sees there is an updated version with an updated

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help in modifying Template:Extension to support user ratings

2014-08-21 Thread Isarra Yos
On 21/08/14 13:13, Quim Gil wrote: On Wednesday, August 20, 2014, Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: At Wikimania, we had a good conversation and a proposal (that was basically agreed upon by everyone in the room IIRC!) about creating a gold standard for extensions, judging them based

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help in modifying Template:Extension to support user ratings

2014-08-20 Thread Isarra Yos
On 20/08/14 11:48, Quim Gil wrote: For those interested in the process of proposing and accepting internship projects, here you have a post mortem of this specific case: On Tuesday, August 19, 2014, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: This sounds like a serious miscommunication before the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help in modifying Template:Extension to support user ratings

2014-08-18 Thread Isarra Yos
On 18/08/14 14:54, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote: On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Aditya Chaturvedi aditya.iiita...@gmail.com wrote: However, to run the system in production first, we need assistance on how to make these ratings visible on the pages of extension. Has it already been asked

Re: [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/08/14 16:54, Tyler Romeo wrote: There are many legitimate cases (e.g., office actions and copyright-related issues) where I could see the superprotect level coming in handy. There are some cases where the WMF simply cannot afford (usually b/c of legal reasons) to trust the community, even

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving Vector and MonoBook to separate repositories and what it means for you

2014-08-10 Thread Isarra Yos
On 08/08/14 14:24, Jon Robson wrote: On 8 Aug 2014 04:23, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote: Le 07/08/2014 22:05, Erwin Dokter a écrit : I now have to submit two patches and hope they both get merged at the exact same time. The world we should be working towards is one where you'd only

Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving Vector and MonoBook to separate repositories and what it means for you

2014-08-09 Thread Isarra Yos
On 07/08/14 14:32, Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: This has just happened. The instructions MediaWiki will display should guide you through. Poke me on IRC if the email I send earlier and the instructions don't help :) Would it be possible to get the common directory out of core/skins/ as well?

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bikeshedding a good name for the api.php API

2014-08-07 Thread Isarra Yos
I prefer Bob. On 07/08/14 08:40, Pine W wrote: We could name it in honor of Jimbo. ;) On Aug 7, 2014 1:18 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Call it Bob. Bob is always a good name. - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Mediawiki-enterprise] MediaWiki for the third party community: get involved!

2014-08-04 Thread Isarra Yos
Hi, What would be the purpose of this organisation and separate community, exactly? Has there been any demonstrated need or even want for such an organisation amongst the community it would proportedly serve? I ask in particular because as a third-party sysadmin myself, it's hard enough

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Mediawiki-enterprise] MediaWiki for the third party community: get involved!

2014-08-04 Thread Isarra Yos
Aye, these are valid points, and there are very real issues with what we have (and don't have) currently. But why do we need a separate organisation to address them? Why can they not be addressed at home, on mw.org? Why hasn't any of this consolidation happened already, before adding another

Re: [Wikitech-l] What should be the recommended / supported way to do skins? (A proposal.)

2014-07-15 Thread Isarra Yos
On 14/07/14 18:41, Jon Robson wrote: I just wanted to thank Bartosz for all the good work he's done here! It's great that finally installing a skin is consistent with installing an extension :) I wonder if we should create a skin boilerplate repository, to make it really easy for people to get

Re: [Wikitech-l] logging out on one device logs user out everywhere

2014-07-15 Thread Isarra Yos
On 16/07/14 02:50, Risker wrote: On 15 July 2014 22:28, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 15, 2014, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: (Forked from Re: [Wikitech-l] Not logged in page) Is it time to revisit this behaviour? It's come up as being a usability

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mentors participating in GSoC Reunion (was Re: IMPORTANT: GSoC OPW mid-term evaluations)

2014-07-10 Thread Isarra Yos
On 10/07/14 10:21, Quim Gil wrote: On Wednesday, July 9, 2014, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting that these are two translation folks, and nothing from the wider development community. I'm sure they're lovely people, but I must say this doesn't represent our diversity very well

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mentors participating in GSoC Reunion (was Re: IMPORTANT: GSoC OPW mid-term evaluations)

2014-07-09 Thread Isarra Yos
On 09/07/14 10:38, Quim Gil wrote: Siebrand and Kartik have been selected to participate in the GSoC Reunion o behalf of Wikimedia. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Mentorship_programs/Possible_mentors#Delegates_for_Google_Summer_of_Code_Reunion Reasoning pasted here for your convenience:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Background color

2014-06-27 Thread Isarra Yos
On 27/06/14 19:02, Jeffrey Barish wrote: On Friday, 27 June 2014 10:24:57 Ryan Kaldari wrote: Works for me. I added the background-color rule to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kaldari/vector.css and it took effect immediately. Ryan Kaldari On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Jeffrey Barish

[Wikitech-l] Release management proposal from a consortium of developers and sysadmins

2014-06-13 Thread Isarra Yos
Hey all, We've posted our proposal for the release management RFP. You can find it at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_Management_RFP/2014/Consortium Our team includes me (Kim Schoonover), Ryan Schmidt (Skizzerz), Benjamin Lees (Emufarmers), Jack Phoenix, and Bartosz Dziewoński (Matma

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making a plain MW core git clone not be installable

2014-06-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/06/14 05:01, Matthew Walker wrote: This also has knock on impacts elsewhere. BD808 has a patch that uses PSR-log and Monolog for logging. We're starting to move to a model where we recognize that we shouldn't write everything and that things in core have significantly better replacements

Re: [Wikitech-l] Nesting of mediawiki/core/vendor inside mediawiki/core

2014-06-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/06/14 22:26, Tim Starling wrote: One thing that concerns me about the proposed composer setup, that I haven't mentioned yet, is the nesting of the project hierarchy, with mediawiki/core/vendor inside mediawiki/core. You know that we have mediawiki/extensions instead of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making a plain MW core git clone not be installable

2014-06-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/06/14 23:21, Tyler Romeo wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: Problem with composer is it doesn't actually work for all use cases (farms in particular can be problematic, even if the wmf did get it working), so depending on it isn't really a good

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making a plain MW core git clone not be installable

2014-06-10 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/06/14 02:30, Tim Starling wrote: In CR comments on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/135290/ it has been proposed that we make a git clone of the MW core not be installable until $IP/vendor is populated somehow -- either by separately cloning the mediawiki/core/vendor project, or

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making a plain MW core git clone not be installable

2014-06-10 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/06/14 03:24, John wrote: there is currently a patch in gerrit which would do exactly that if merged. Why? This sounds like a really bad idea, but maybe it isn't, and as a sysadmin and developer I need to know what it even is so I can decide if I should flip the fuck out. Or not. -I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making a plain MW core git clone not be installable

2014-06-10 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/06/14 03:31, John wrote: My suggestion, Flip the fuck out Its a really bad idea that wasnt thought though, If users want SwiftMailer support it should be done in an extension, and not in core On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, so I'm completely

Re: [Wikitech-l] Jettisoning our history?

2014-05-31 Thread Isarra Yos
On 31/05/14 15:03, Merlijn van Deen wrote: On 31 May 2014 16:08, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: 270MB is gigantic for a git repo. But it's not an issue /per se/. The issue is slow clones/slow pulls, not so much the 270MB on your hard drive. The slow clones/pulls can be improved by

Re: [Wikitech-l] What should be the recommended / supported way to do skins? (A proposal.)

2014-05-21 Thread Isarra Yos
On 21/05/14 20:38, Stephan Gambke wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There seem to be three popular ways: * $IP/skins/SkinName.php for the main file plus $IP/skins/skinname/ for ... * $IP/skins/SkinName/ for both assets and PHP files ($IP/skins/skinname/SkinName.php etc.),

Re: [Wikitech-l] What should be the recommended / supported way to do skins? (A proposal.)

2014-05-20 Thread Isarra Yos
On 20/05/14 22:07, Daniel Friesen wrote: On 2014-05-20, 2:25 PM, Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: There seem to be three popular ways: * $IP/skins/SkinName.php for the main file plus $IP/skins/skinname/ for assets, using an autodiscovery mechanism to automagically make the skin available after the

Re: [Wikitech-l] What should be the recommended / supported way to do skins? (A proposal.)

2014-05-20 Thread Isarra Yos
On 20/05/14 23:05, Daniel Friesen wrote: On 2014-05-20, 3:48 PM, Isarra Yos wrote: Out of curiosity, what are your reasons for advocating lowercase skin names over the standard camelcase format used throughout the rest of MediaWiki? I included those in my bullet points. * The skinname you

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed body font stack for Latin

2014-04-14 Thread Isarra Yos
On 14/04/14 23:49, Erwin Dokter wrote: On 15-04-2014 00:55, Isarra Yos wrote: Deemed better? Better how? But that's what I'm saying - if the configuration is optimised for dejavu sans, nimbus won't be better at all even if it is a better-engineered font (doubtful, though, it being an arial

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed body font stack for Latin

2014-04-14 Thread Isarra Yos
On 15/04/14 01:54, Steven Walling wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: Deemed better? Better how? But that's what I'm saying - if the configuration is optimised for dejavu sans, nimbus won't be better at all even if it is a better-engineered font

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposed body font stack for Latin

2014-04-12 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/04/14 19:30, Erwin Dokter wrote: First, I like to aplologize to anyone who I may have come over too passionate at some times. Frustration is known to get the better of me, even though I should control that. (I also quit smoking.) Not sure where a new font stack should be discussed, so

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

2014-04-12 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/04/14 18:42, Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: I have merged the Gerrit change (https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/124475/), restoring the body font to sans-serif. The heading font is unchanged for now. I've read the entire wikitech-l thread (89 emails as of writing) and pondered this

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

2014-04-09 Thread Isarra Yos
On 09/04/14 08:26, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: I agree with everything Risker said. I go further and suggest the team involved stops defending their goals and implementation. The former are not the issue, and the latter was indefensible. I havent looked at how much testing was done, or if there

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

2014-04-08 Thread Isarra Yos
Helvetica, I get Nimbus Sans L * Android users ?? (Nobody responded.) Linux often gets arial. Anyone with wine will probably have it installed, too, and most will have wine even if they don't use it. It's not necessarily a particularly good copy, either. quoting Isarra Yos Given that no objective

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

2014-04-07 Thread Isarra Yos
On 07/04/14 20:19, Jon Robson wrote: After the deploy last Thursday various users on Village Pumps bug reports and external sites (e.g. Twitter and Reddit) were informing us that the new typography was unreadable. Sadly it was difficult to distinguish whether this was simply a dislike of the new

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

2014-04-07 Thread Isarra Yos
On 07/04/14 21:03, Martijn Hoekstra wrote: +1, but to me 'serif' rather than 'sans-serif' for the section headers is nicer. YMMV and can certainly live with sans for section headers Having different serif for the headers with sans-serif content can be a bit dangerous, depending on the fonts in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

2014-04-07 Thread Isarra Yos
On 08/04/14 00:02, Steven Walling wrote: On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Erwin Dokter er...@darcoury.nl wrote: I feel that I am not being taken seriously. Three times now I have indicated what is wrong with this solution, namely that a single font stack cannot possibly serve a global website.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why is Cologne Blue still in core?

2014-03-12 Thread Isarra Yos
On 12/03/14 15:47, Jon Robson wrote: Okay to make sure stuff comes out of this thread... So unless someone does this before me I am going to move CologneBlue out of core and into SkinCologneBlue extension and Modern out of core into SkinModern extension. If someone could rerun the data

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why is Cologne Blue still in core?

2014-03-12 Thread Isarra Yos
On 12/03/14 07:15, Antoine Musso wrote: Le 11/03/2014 23:55, Isarra Yos a écrit : On 11/03/14 22:45, Trevor Parscal wrote: By making all skins extensions it would also force us to make a few new APIs which are needed to no longer have skin extensions be second-class citizens. This should

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why is Cologne Blue still in core?

2014-03-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/03/14 17:26, Trevor Parscal wrote: It might be easier to revamp the skin system if there were fewer skins to port. - Trevor But that completely ignores the primary users of non-Vector skins - third party users who have developed their own skins. Every time the skinning systems

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why is Cologne Blue still in core?

2014-03-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/03/14 19:21, Jon Robson wrote: It might be easier to revamp the skin system if there were fewer skins to port. Touché. So.. so 2 questions 1) would anyone have any objections to moving it out of core and into its own extension? 2) would anyone have any objections for turning it off on

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why is Cologne Blue still in core?

2014-03-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/03/14 20:16, James Forrester wrote: On 11 March 2014 13:10, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/03/14 17:26, Trevor Parscal wrote: It might be easier to revamp the skin system if there were fewer skins to port. - Trevor But that completely ignores the primary users of non

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why is Cologne Blue still in core?

2014-03-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/03/14 21:21, Jon Robson wrote: If people forget they exist I would say that equates to no one cares about them and no one maintains them. If this is true, we are doing a disservice to our users by providing these skins to our users. Developers forget some users exist. They forget use

Re: [Wikitech-l] Why is Cologne Blue still in core?

2014-03-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/03/14 22:45, Trevor Parscal wrote: By making all skins extensions it would also force us to make a few new APIs which are needed to no longer have skin extensions be second-class citizens. This should happen. - Trevor Quite so. Think hitting on some of this could be a viable gsoc

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-08 Thread Isarra Yos
On 08/03/14 09:15, Niklas Laxström wrote: 2014-03-08 0:39 GMT+02:00 George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com: This is not disrespecting development, which is extremely important by any measure. But we're running a top-10 worldwide website, a key worldwide information resource for humanity as a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-07 Thread Isarra Yos
On 07/03/14 10:16, Steven Walling wrote: Just for more background/context here... As you can see in the latest comments on bug 61416, I'm not the only one who objects to the implementation as currently designed. Prior to the bug, Erik M. also proposed an alternative solution which was ignored

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-07 Thread Isarra Yos
On 07/03/14 17:06, Antoine Musso wrote: Le 07/03/2014 16:48, Bartosz Dziewoński a écrit : On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 16:27:53 +0100, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote: So a single -1 should prevent a change from being submitted until that -1 is lifted by addressing the person concern(s) or

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit Commit Wars

2014-03-06 Thread Isarra Yos
On 07/03/14 03:58, Tim Starling wrote: I would never have merged it, because it had a -1 from Steven Walling, apparently speaking on behalf of others on design-l. I think changes should be made by consensus. The changeset was the result of the discussion on the Design list. The reason Steven

Re: [Wikitech-l] deploying the most recent MediaWiki code: which branch?

2014-02-20 Thread Isarra Yos
On 20/02/14 21:32, Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: It's worth noting that WMF branches also include temporary hacks to keep current JS/CSS and cached HTML output compatible (for at least 30 days), while release branches never contain them (and thus require HTML caches to be purged during the upgrade

Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts on hiding text from the internal search

2014-02-19 Thread Isarra Yos
Don't suppose there'd be any way to do both things - an index to search normally, and one to search full of everything if someone's searching for hidden stuff. -L On 19/02/14 17:39, Nikolas Everett wrote: On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Helder . helder.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb

Re: [Wikitech-l] Non-Violent Communication

2014-02-18 Thread Isarra Yos
That's interesting - my take on AGF always was that it was a way to avoid assumptions - another way of saying to give people the benefit of the doubt without being such a cliché (even though it's probably even more of one now). But yeah, good points. On 18/02/14 13:43, pi zero wrote: I find

Re: [Wikitech-l] Non-Violent Communication

2014-02-17 Thread Isarra Yos
I basically agree with everything Marc said, but you bring up a very good point about assuming good faith. That seems like something that would probably go the furthest towards addressing the underlying problem. Can I tape you two together? -I On 17/02/14 20:45, Monte Hurd wrote: +1 When I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Non-Violent Communication

2014-02-17 Thread Isarra Yos
If you're pissed, that's when you use something like NVC, except taking it even further, perhaps. Put other people on edge too, but then if they do anything about it, wll... I think this may be the standard approach on a lot of discussion boards on enwp. On 18/02/14 03:26, Adam Wight

Re: [Wikitech-l] InstantClick

2014-02-08 Thread Isarra Yos
How much bandwidth would this cost the users? If a mobile user is paying by how much they download, this could well mean they're paying for things loaded in the background - things that they may never even touch. On 08/02/14 19:52, Jon Robson wrote: Thanks for sharing! This could be really

Re: [Wikitech-l] Let's improve our password policy

2014-01-25 Thread Isarra Yos
On 25/01/14 13:02, rupert THURNER wrote: for the password policy: display a strength indicator is great. anything more? i would say just leave it to the user. rupert. This. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Homepage Redesign

2013-12-16 Thread Isarra Yos
On 16/12/13 12:14, Brena Monteiro wrote: Like Quim said, right now we are preparing the Design Document[1] and all collaboration is welcome. Best regards, [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Monteirobrena/OPW/Design_Document Brena Monteiro +55 27 98109 0123 @monteirobrena

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Homepage Redesign

2013-12-16 Thread Isarra Yos
, not more. Snt frm my iPhne On Dec 16, 2013, at 10:44 AM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/12/13 12:14, Brena Monteiro wrote: Like Quim said, right now we are preparing the Design Document[1] and all collaboration is welcome. Best regards, [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki

Re: [Wikitech-l] FWD: [Bug 58236] New: No longer allow gadgets to be turned on by default for all users on Wikimedia sites

2013-12-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/12/13 19:21, Chad wrote: Sending wiki edits to Gerrit for review? Absolutely not. I'm totally cool with the idea of code review for Gadgets so forth, just not using Gerrit. We considered it for Scribunto (and heck, I wrote half of a proof of concept) but shot it down because the idea

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mailing list etiquette and trolling

2013-12-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/12/13 22:21, Ryan Lane wrote: On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.comwrote: In recent months I've come across a few mails on this list that only contained accusations of trolling. Those are very much not constructive and only serve to antagonize. I know

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mailing list etiquette and trolling

2013-12-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/12/13 23:28, Petr Bena wrote: I think we need to use less rules and more common sense. This. When you get right down to it, what even is trolling? And should it necessarily matter? Even if someone is trolling, that doesn't mean they may not have a real point to it, though perhaps they

Re: [Wikitech-l] Patrolling on english wikipedia

2013-12-10 Thread Isarra Yos
On 10/12/13 13:40, Petr Bena wrote: I was recently suggested by someone (and requested by someone else) to use patrolling on good edits in huggle, however after executing the patrol api query I receive this error: ?xml version=1.0?api servedby=mw1130error code=patroldisabled info=Patrolling is

Re: [Wikitech-l] New Bugzilla users have restricted accounts

2013-11-07 Thread Isarra Yos
On 07/11/13 16:28, Quim Gil wrote: The issue is the extra step for newcomers vs the risk of many extra steps for a few etablished contributors if someone decides to abuse the feature, as it happened in the past. And my point is that I personally don't believe that such barrier is diminishing the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Module storage is coming

2013-11-04 Thread Isarra Yos
On 04/11/13 15:31, Mark A. Hershberger wrote: On 11/04/2013 10:10 AM, Max Semenik wrote: Most of our mobile traffic is genrated by iOS and Android - both of which support LocalStorage, so it will work for them too. People using 2G/GPRS are not necessarily using a mobile device. I've heard

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?

2013-10-27 Thread Isarra Yos
On 28/10/13 02:32, Tim Starling wrote: There is the separate issue that on my Linux laptop, Nimbus Sans L looks worse than the font my browser will choose for sans-serif. That is because I have customised Firefox to use the Ubuntu font for sans-serif, which is very readable. I find all the Arial

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inline bug report history in Bugzilla

2013-10-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/10/13 23:37, Andre Klapper wrote: Hi, sorry for my late answer. On Mon, 2013-09-30 at 08:47 -0700, James Forrester wrote: This is brilliant, and makes Bugzilla hugely more usable; could it be switched on for all users by default, or would that impair the server operation too much? I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bug 35306: Global (to a wiki farm or family) message delivery (thoughts)

2013-10-03 Thread Isarra Yos
Out of curiosity, when did it become a requirement that Foundation management be involved throughout the process of all feature development, and that the WMF take over maintaining anything deployed to Wikimedia projects? Because that's just not feasible, and never has been. 1. If the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Officially supported MediaWiki hosting service?

2013-10-01 Thread Isarra Yos
Wikia is dinky? ShoutWiki is antiquated? I don't necessarily disagree with your overall point, but please don't generalise like this; an innacurate statement like that just takes away from it. On 01/10/13 21:34, Ori Livneh wrote: On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Who uses MobileFrontend?

2013-05-02 Thread Isarra Yos
On 30/04/13 20:36, Max Semenik wrote: Hi, as one of WMF developers who work on MobileFrontend[1], I'd love to know how third parties use this extension. How does your caching works? How are you detecting mobile devices? Do you have any problems with running it? Finally, just tell us if you tried

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: Wikitech contributors

2013-04-03 Thread Isarra Yos
On 03/04/13 19:37, Quim Gil wrote: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Wikitech_contributors#First_iteration is supposed to be completed in 3 months, and even there you have some easier tasks that could be implemented pretty fast, namely forms templates for * User profiles.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: Wikitech contributors

2013-04-03 Thread Isarra Yos
On 03/04/13 20:48, Matthew Flaschen wrote: On 04/03/2013 03:30 AM, Ori Livneh wrote: That seems wrong. Of the two, MediaWiki.org is clearly the more successful wiki. It is larger by all measures, and draws a wide pool of active contributors. I don't know that it's appropriate to put WMF-only

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: Wikitech contributors

2013-04-03 Thread Isarra Yos
On 03/04/13 14:48, Yury Katkov wrote: Hi everyone! I think that there are two categories of developers now: 1) Wikimedia developers deal with Wikimedia tasks of running Wikipedia and all other projects 2) Independent developers which use MediaWiki for their needs. I think that not much of us

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: Wikitech contributors

2013-04-03 Thread Isarra Yos
On 03/04/13 22:26, Ryan Lane wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/04/13 20:48, Matthew Flaschen wrote: On 04/03/2013 03:30 AM, Ori Livneh wrote: That seems wrong. Of the two, MediaWiki.org is clearly the more successful wiki. It is larger

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit actively discourages discussion

2013-04-01 Thread Isarra Yos
On 02/04/13 06:43, Brian Wolff wrote: On 2013-04-02 12:32 AM, Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Matthew Walker mwal...@wikimedia.org wrote: You are definitely not the only one who finds these issues annoying. I too worry about the same. +1 Another

Re: [Wikitech-l] Who is responsible for communicating changes in MediaWiki to WMF sites?

2013-03-21 Thread Isarra Yos
Another example would be changing default options in core - recently I tried to push for making the enhanced recentchanges the default, but one of the blockers was that I'd need to let the Wikimedia communities know as the change would be applied there as well. Unfortunately I didn't have any

Re: [Wikitech-l] Who is responsible for communicating changes in MediaWiki to WMF sites?

2013-03-21 Thread Isarra Yos
On 21/03/13 19:15, Quim Gil wrote: On 03/21/2013 11:48 AM, Isarra Yos wrote: Unfortunately I didn't have any idea when such a change could or would be merged or deployed, so not only did I not have any timeframe to give said the communities, I didn't even know when it would be appropriate

Re: [Wikitech-l] Seemingly proprietary Javascript

2013-03-06 Thread Isarra Yos
Non-lawyers arguing over how to interpret licenses, uses, and other stuff with the minimised code doesn't prevent such screwing over either. It is undoubtedly an open-source project; the question is the legal one of where all things need to be attributed and cited, and at the end of the day

Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user CSS and JS

2013-03-05 Thread Isarra Yos
Not rubbish - that would be quite useful. The only problem is it would be a somewhat limited use case. Many users never go near their css/js, so it would just be another checkbox for them to ignore, and those who do use global css/js would just as likely have wider scope issues than that -

Re: [Wikitech-l] Global user CSS and JS

2013-03-05 Thread Isarra Yos
Not rubbish - that would be quite useful. The only problem is it would be a somewhat limited use case. Many users never go near their css/js, so it would just be another checkbox for them to ignore, and those who do use global css/js would just as likely have wider scope issues than that -

Re: [Wikitech-l] Seemingly proprietary Javascript

2013-03-05 Thread Isarra Yos
The licensing information is on the page itself, of which the minified js winds up a part. For every file or other object that makes up the page to all contain the licensing information would be pretty unusual. It's like taking a file out of a page and then complaining that it has no

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