On 1 Sep 2014 16:09, Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com wrote:
tl;dr
+1 :)
Svetlana, I'm not quite sure what you are proposing here. I understand you
want to integrate them but I'm not sure why or how. Echo gives
notifications such as changes in user permissions which do not have
3) I am going to aim to agree on a standard icon HTML markup for
mediawiki ui. We still have an issue with the fact that everyone is
using different HTML markup to create icons. After reviewing all our
current approaches [1] it was clear that we were relatively closely
aligned and that it
Since we had the luxury of having several people in the office,
Trevor, Juliusz, Rob Moen, Ed Sanders, Shahyar, May, Monte and I sat
down to talk about the problem we currently have of having no standard
way to create icons. Here is my write up of this meeting, again, if
you attended please
Shahyar, Juliusz, Trevor, Kaldari, Roan and I sat down yesterday and
talked about the future of skins. Hopefully this mail summarises what
we talked about and what we agreed on. Feel free to add anything, or
ask any questions in the likely event that I've misinterpreted
something we talked about
Kaldari, RobLa, Trevor and I met yesterday to discuss the template RFC [1].
Sadly Gabriel was not present. Kaldari and I are very concerned that
we are blocking standardisation of a generic template library on the
completion of Knockoff.
Trevor, Kaldari and I identified that two things need to
Shahyar, Juliusz, Trevor, Roan and I met to discuss using oojs inside
the mobile and Flow projects.
The following 3 patches kicks off moving MobileFrontend's class model
towards that of oojs - many thanks for Roan for doing most of the
legwork :-):
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155593
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, Aug 16, 2014 at 2:06 AM, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote:
Le 15/08/2014 22:17, Jon Robson a écrit :
Rather than having a graph tag containing data which will not make
sense to technical users could we imagine something is there any plan
to support something like graph title
Suddenly I cannot run PHPUnit tests on vagrant
cd /vagrant/mediawiki/tests/phpunit /usr/bin/php5 phpunit.php
--configuration /vagrant/mediawiki/extensions/Echo/tests/echo.suite.xml
--group=Echo
No MWMultiVersion instance initialized! MWScript.php wrapper not used?
The documentation
Nice! This is interesting. Back at the Switzerland hackathon Dan
Andrescu knocked up a Visualisation namespace and I guess this is
based on that?
I'm concerned by the use of the graph tag however, and I'm not sure we
should be promoting its usage. Wikitext is already rather complicated
and every
On 8 Aug 2014 04:23, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote:
Le 07/08/2014 22:05, Erwin Dokter a écrit :
I now have to submit two patches and hope they both get merged at the
exact same time.
The world we should be working towards is one where you'd only have to
update the skin. Moving
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Freundliche Grüße / Kind regards
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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. August 2014 20:29
An: Wikimedia developers
Betreff
\o/ what terrific news to wake up to!
Derric I think we are in agreement on the way forward! You are not saying
anything I disagree with :)
On 6 Aug 2014 07:33, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Derric Atzrott
datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote:
I would
I would like to make a case for moving more browsers into the grade C
category.
Yes please. As a project that must live the test of time I think we should
be focusing our energy on building for future browsers. Our main goal is to
provide people knowledge which can be done without JavaScript.
A few quick notes:
* we should be killing jQuery ui. not upgrading it :)
* progressive enhancement != supporting IE6. We should be doing this
anywhere. Personally I would be fine with giving IE6,7, even 8 and maybe 9
no JavaScript whatsoever and supporting them simply from simply a css
I've been doing with this :)
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On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:
It seems like there is agreement on an approach
As I understand it:
* special button that when clicked logs you out everywhere
* default behaviour is just to log you out on current device
Sounds good.
Adding design mailing list.
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Steven Walling
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UserLogout might be an obvious
place (closest to the action
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Thanks for the info Isarra!
Does anyone want to make it not empty...? :)
I'll personally +2 any changes if the author sends me a private email to
the patchsets!
On 15 Jul 2014 07:39, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote:
On 14/07/14 18:41, Jon Robson wrote:
I just wanted to thank Bartosz
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regularly. I've found mediawiki logs me out despite the 'keep me
logged in' box, when logging out on a different device, etc.
Well that's the bug then no and that should be fixed. Help us work out why
it is occurring and let's get that dealt with.:)
We shouldn't be designing features for edge
] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49890
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regularly. I've found mediawiki logs me out despite the 'keep me
logged in' box, when logging out
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are more broken up in the screenshot. Otherwise, the colour, the spacing
and the overlaps are the same.
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This is exciting stuff. In similar news Flow and mobile now have a shared
ResourceLoaderTemplateModule [1] that supports shipping templates from
server to client.
As a next step we should explore making sure these two things are
compatible.
It would also be highly useful when it is in a stable
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This is exciting stuff. In similar news Flow and mobile now have a shared
ResourceLoaderTemplateModule [1] that supports shipping templates from
server to client.
As a next step we should explore making sure these two things are
compatible.
Yes, that would
== The problem ==
MediaWiki has a huge UI standardisation problem. We use different
libraries, different css styles and class names, some of which do the
same thing.
Recently the teams working on Flow and MobileFrontend noticed they
were doing various things in a similar fashion. We were both
Trevor,
That email you quote was about totally different code and a proposal
to put it into Mantle and is off topic for this discussion.\T
Trevor, please grab me in real life, so we can quell this
misunderstanding asap, I feel for whatever reason I am not effectively
communicating to you and
I've replied on bug - I guess it's better to keep the conversation going
there so I won't say what I said ;-)
On 20 Jun 2014 17:35, Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 23:23:01 +0200, Sumana Harihareswara
suma...@wikimedia.org wrote:
(he'll be sending some
Has anyone had success with this...?
This is what happens when I try to run:
master x ~/git/vagrant/mediawiki/tests/phpunit $ php phpunit.php
Warning: require_once(/vagrant/LocalSettings.php): failed to open
stream: No such file or directory in
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The other mail seems to have gone on a huge tangent about the benefits
of Flow / what it can do. This is great but I feel like my original
question has gone unanswered so I am resurrecting it with a new e-mail
subject. I worry lots of good feedback got lost in that big email
chain.
So
So from what I can see Flow pretty much does everything LiquidThreads
does. Usually better (permalinks with LiquidThreads are one thing that
completely bugs me - they don't always take me to the correct place)
As I understand it there is a migration script that turns LiquidThread
pages to Flow
pages in MobileFront end by an
anonymous user. When he saves it says Error - edit not saved. I have
set the directive of anonymous editing to YES in mobilefrontend
settings.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Helder . helder.w...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob
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On 2014-05-21, 6:02 AM, Jon Robson wrote:
I've always found it silly that skins are installed in a different way
to extensions. It seems silly to teach a user 2 ways. To be honest I
still haven't got the hang of skin installation. I usually crudely
plop a folder
I'm confused. Why wouldn't you just mark a user account as being a bot and
simply determine bot edits from username alone?
Any other mechanism seems prone to abuse or being inaccurate...
On 20 May 2014 07:36, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you legoktm for exampling,
Another
at 5:35 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm confused. Why wouldn't you just mark a user account as being a bot
and
simply determine bot edits from username alone?
Any other mechanism seems prone to abuse or being inaccurate...
People gave several examples of bot tasks that needs
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I said this during the retrospective about beta features. I think all beta
features should be enabled for all logged in users the month before they
get deployed. Let's not resort to banners please.
Let's instead train people to go to the beta features page and help us
build great products that
yup we will move it.as long as Git repositories are easier for me to setup
on GitHub I will always start projects there... ;)
On 15 May 2014 10:59, Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com wrote:
2014-05-14 1:34 GMT+03:00 Jon Robson jrob...@wikimedia.org:
During the Zurich hackathon, DJ
Visual: ?
On 14 May 2014 10:44, Derk-Jan Hartman d.j.hartman+wmf...@gmail.com
wrote:
PS, i'm building an instance that is running this extension.
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 12:34 AM, Jon Robson jrob...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
During the Zurich hackathon, DJ Hartman, Aude and I knocked up
:34, Jon Robson a écrit :
During the Zurich hackathon, DJ Hartman, Aude and I knocked up a
generic maps prototype extension [1]. We have noticed that many maps
like extensions keep popping up and believed it was time we
standardised on one that all these extensions could use so we share
data
see the extension live in Wikipedia.
Other nice features you can see at umap.openstreetmap.fr:
*Choosing different backgrounds
*POIs with interactive descriptions
*Geometry import from OSM (WIWOSM)
*different layers
*...
Greeting Tim alias Kolossos
Am 14.05.2014 00:34, schrieb Jon
During the Zurich hackathon, DJ Hartman, Aude and I knocked up a
generic maps prototype extension [1]. We have noticed that many maps
like extensions keep popping up and believed it was time we
standardised on one that all these extensions could use so we share
data better.
We took a look at all
special treatment here.
It should've been given the same target definition as mediawiki.util.
— Krinkle
On 27 Apr 2014, at 19:37, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:
Looks like jquery.accessKeyLabel now seems to be a required ResourceLoader
module.
The patch that introduced it is
https
**Fail**Skip**Total*
(root)https://wmf.ci.cloudbees.com/job/MobileFrontend-en.m.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org-linux-chrome/409/testReport/junit/(root)17
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I've recently updated the GerritCommandLine tool [1] so that you can
use it to manage incoming reviews.
gerrit.py --reviewee jdlrobson --gtscore -1
Will show all patches across all projects that have you down as a
reviewee and are currently not negatively reviewed.
There are various other
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I've recently updated the GerritCommandLine tool [1] so that you can
use it to manage incoming reviews.
gerrit.py --reviewee jdlrobson --gtscore -1
Will show all patches across all projects that have you down as a
reviewee and are currently not negatively reviewed
looks the case to me liagent! you should get rid if the special casing! :)
Would be great if the images could be centred on mobile...
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On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:34 AM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:
PLEASSE! :D
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I keep hearing about ALLL THE BUGS but I've not seen anything on
Bugzilla. This leads me to believe I've not been cc'ed on them or they
haven't been raised (which would be bad). Please can someone raise
these on Bugzilla - if these are being raised on wikis they are not
getting in front of people.
and addressed.
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Erwin Dokter er...@darcoury.nl wrote:
On 11-04-2014 20:00, Jon Robson wrote:
Please don't accuse me of things that are not true. I do want to see
these things, but I have to manage 1) mailing lists 2) bugzilla 3)
wiki pages (which i have to know exist
Yes yes yes please!
I've been manually doing this in mobile with a short friendly note saying
if the owner wants to resubmit it they can feel free to at a later date. My
gerrit is just a spam queue right now.
Just to clarify - if someone submits a patch then says 1 month later via
comment I
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After the deploy last Thursday various users on Village Pumps bug
reports and external sites (e.g. Twitter and Reddit) were informing us
that the new typography was unreadable. Sadly it was difficult to
distinguish whether this was simply a dislike of the new fonts or
something deeper related to a
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I feel that I am not being taken seriously. Three times now I have indicated
what is wrong with this solution, namely that a single font stack cannot
possibly serve a global website.
I'm sorry you feel this way, if I wasn't clear, I agree with you, but
I think where we disagree is that we
you guys are going to kick butt together! congrats! :)
On 7 Apr 2014 17:40, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi everyone
I'm pleased to announce that Aaron Schulz is taking on a new role in
Wikimedia Foundation's Platform Team: Senior Performance Engineer.
Aaron works on MediaWiki
We are using a pre-review hook in MobileFrontend now. It stops us
submitting new patches when there is existing code to be reviewed.
If interested see
https://www.mail-archive.com/mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org/msg01283.html
On 5 Apr 2014 11:51, Tim Landscheidt t...@tim-landscheidt.de wrote:
In MobileFrontend I abandon patchsets which have had no activity in a month
for this very reason. People can always reopen them.
On 4 Apr 2014 08:54, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Friday, April 4, 2014,
I'm a bit concerned that with all the work we've been doing on the
mobile site for the purposes of Wikimedia projects we seem to have
been neglecting the 3rd party use case for MobileFrontend. I was
curious if any volunteers would like to step up and become a
MobileFrontend 3rd party champion and
This is epic. Thanks a bunch Siebrand!
On 1 Apr 2014 15:10, Siebrand Mazeland siebr...@kitano.nl wrote:
Long! tl;dr is in the first two paragraphs.
With the merging of https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/122787/ , probably
the largest patch set for MediaWiki ever (+548314, -714438), MediaWiki
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Jon Robson jrob...@wikimedia.org wrote:
I agree Max, that would be a great patch to get finish.
Pulling in wikitech for wider discussion since it seems Timo wanted a
wider discussion.
tldr: Let's add a method of template/blob delivery into ResourceLoader
Now MobileFrontend is using JSON for languages, I jumped on this to
create a script to make language addition easier - basically a command
line interface called `make message` that edits the JSONs to add an
English message and QQQ code and maintains alphabetical ordering [1].
Recently this was
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This is done. Please review! Thanks to Isarra for getting the new
repositories setup!
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/118345
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/119885
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/119884
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:
Help needed!
Okay
Guys thanks so much for all these pointers and ideas. Lots of food for
thought here. I find for the MobileFrontend perspective, in a perfect
world, all our existing browser tests would visual diff a screenshot
at each individual step of our tests against the previously known
screenshot and report
Okay to make sure stuff comes out of this thread...
So unless someone does this before me I am going to move CologneBlue out of
core and into SkinCologneBlue extension and Modern out of core into
SkinModern extension.
If someone could rerun the data collection for skin usage I most be most
with them. If we want to talk about this I'd
encourage you to start a new thread.
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Matthew Flaschen
mflasc...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 03/11/2014 05:21 PM, Jon Robson wrote:
If people forget they exist I would say that equates to no one cares
about them and no one
-core skins equally capable.
- Trevor
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes this is an orthogonal conversation. If it's that easy for a core
change to break a skin outside core, then there are lots of
fundamentally wrong things with our skin system, one
You can now apply the mobile skin to the desktop site [1]. Wa?!
To cut a long story short, to help MobileFrontend and VisualEditor
integrate nicely with one another, we needed the mobile skin to be
registered as a valid skin. We've previously avoided this as we didn't
want to surface this in
It might be easier to revamp the skin system if there were fewer skins to
port.
Touché.
So.. so 2 questions
1) would anyone have any objections to moving it out of core and into
its own extension?
2) would anyone have any objections for turning it off on Wikimedia wikis
FWIW, having a single
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PM, Martijn Hoekstra
martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote:
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You can now apply the mobile skin to the desktop site [1]. Wa?!
To cut a long story short, to help MobileFrontend and VisualEditor
integrate nicely with one another
not the only one.
DJ
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model becomes the 'reader skin' and Monobook the
'editor skin'.
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
On 11 March 2014 18:48, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:
+ 1 to what Trevor just said.
Isarra, developers make a _decision_ to forget some users exist
I just wondered if anyone doing MediaWiki development had any
experience in catching CSS regressions?
We have had a few issues recently in mobile land where we've made big
CSS changes and broken buttons on hidden away special pages -
particularly now we have been involved in the development of
This may be controversial but hopefully there is logic in what I'm about to see.
I just took a look at Cologne Blue and there are a huge host of CSS
issues. It makes me wonder if anyone is actually maintaining it. All
the other skins seems to render nicely. Coordinates overlap the header
and the
I don't even know what the purpose of this thread is now. Seems to be
discussion about development practices, badgering and various other things.
I started two other threads to try and break out these important
conversations but looks like conversation is still happening here so I
guess that
This looks like a good time to fork this conversation as this is a good
problem to fix. How can we notify developers when they break other things
in the stack and how?
On 7 Mar 2014 05:36, Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com wrote:
(continued, about the browser testing)
(tl;dr where are the
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if it comes to it?
Coming to a standstill over these achieves nothing.
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I wonder in future if it might be practical useful for test failures like
this to automatically revert changes that made them or at least submit
patches to revert them that way it's clear how and when things should
be reverted.
On 6 Mar 2014 18:09, Chris McMahon cmcma...@wikimedia.org wrote:
This may be extremely ambitious, but I'm keen to kick off development
around the creation of a map namespace during the Zurich hackathon.
The goal would be to setup an editable map namespace that could be
used for a variety of things, one of which would be adding a map view
to the Special:Nearby
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Indic scripts and the existing small font-size is often a problem for
logographic scripts.
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Brad since you work for the for the foundation and seem to have a lot of
expertise in this area and seem to have been one of the more vocal
supporters of free fonts have you reached out to your work colleagues over
video conferencing or similar to understand the problems being hit and
helped them
from this to improve our communication?
On 16 Feb 2014 19:36, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote:
quote name=Brian Wolff date=2014-02-16 time=18:00:29 -0400
On Feb 16, 2014 2:04 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote:
Brad since you work for the for the foundation and seem to have
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