Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Reg. Research using Wikipedia

2011-03-09 Thread Platonides
James Linden wrote: Why do you need to access the live wikipedia for this? Using categorylinks.sql and page.sql you should be able to fetch the same data. Probably faster. In my research, the answer to this question is two-fold A) Creating a local copy of wikipedia (using mediawiki and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia Announcements] [Announce] Brion Vibber to rejoin Wikimedia Foundation

2011-03-08 Thread Platonides
Lewis Cawte wrote: YAY Is it me, or was teh staff page out of date? I thought he was still CTO :/ He was removed from there in October 2009: http://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Staffdiff=40480oldid=40399 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia Announcements] [Announce] Brion Vibber to rejoin Wikimedia Foundation

2011-03-07 Thread Platonides
Roan Kattouw wrote: My apologies for cross-posting, but it's my opinion the awesomeness of this news makes up for it :) The link to the blog post below is wrong, it should be http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2011/03/07/brion-vibber-rejoins-wikimedia-foundation/ Roan Kattouw (Catrope)

Re: [Wikitech-l] Ask for help

2011-03-07 Thread Platonides
caoyanjiao987 wrote: Dear Mr/Miss: Sorry to interrupt you but there are two problems to ask you for help. It puzzles us for a long time. We built a local wiki using mediawiki by downloading the page articles fromhttp://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki. However, the data

Re: [Wikitech-l] Regarding GSoC 2011

2011-03-04 Thread Platonides
ashish mittal wrote: I got a local copy of MediaWiki and have installed it. I want to start getting to grip with the architecture of MediaWiki. I saw that MediaWiki has already started preparing for SoC 2011 [1]. I have been through some documentations and this year’s project ideas. I am

Re: [Wikitech-l] Topic and cathegory analyser

2011-03-04 Thread Platonides
Paul Houle wrote: A peasant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peasant girl born in eastern France you note that A peasant girl == :Joan_of_arc and that a more specific birthplace can be found in the infobox. You will find that the infoboxes are the best article pieces to mine.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Easy code review

2011-03-02 Thread Platonides
Happy-melon wrote: Then let's get a new deadline in place. What's holding us back from timetabling a 1.17wmf2?? It strikes me that the features that will appear in that are fundamentally different from the blockers on the 1.17.0 tarball, and as you say, all the focus seems to be on that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Easy code review

2011-02-28 Thread Platonides
With no pressing timelines, we are slacking off again. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is there an easy way to extract the first N wikipedia topics in the order they were created?

2011-02-22 Thread Platonides
Paul Houle wrote: Hi, I've been thinking about the early history of Wikipedia and about what which sort of topics got written early on. I'm wondering if there is an easy way to find the first N wikipedia topics (where N is say 100,000) in the order they were created. For which

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: Force private wikis to use HTTPS

2011-02-21 Thread Platonides
Brion Vibber wrote: I would definitely recommend this -- it's been on the agenda for well literally for *years*, but always got swallowed up by time spent on other things. It should be pretty straightforward actually to aim a few of those standalone wikis straight at the existing

Re: [Wikitech-l] fss_prep_replace implemented in Python/Perl

2011-02-20 Thread Platonides
Ryan Chan wrote: I an not sure if it is the right place to ask this. I got the source of fss_prep_replace at http://opensees.berkeley.edu/wiki/extensions/FastStringSearch/fss.c But are there any Perl or Python implementations? Thanks. The original source is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Changing CentralAuth login - New proposal

2011-02-20 Thread Platonides
MZMcBride wrote: Platonides wrote: CORS does seem to be the way to go. I have drafted a new proposal below which attempts to fix several bug in our way of doing central login. Two questions and a comment about this. First, would this impede the ability to switch to an AJAX login interface

Re: [Wikitech-l] stop changing the whitespace in RELEASE-NOTES please

2011-02-20 Thread Platonides
Ryan Lane wrote: I don't think we should encourage people to run trunk in production. We should encourage people to run release candidates in production, and possibly betas for those that know the software *really* well. We should likely encourage people to run trunk on their live testing

Re: [Wikitech-l] stop changing the whitespace in RELEASE-NOTES please

2011-02-20 Thread Platonides
Jay Ashworth wrote: should be possible != is a good idea. Just sayin' Cheers, -- jra Specially when we are not there yet ;) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Changing CentralAuth login

2011-02-17 Thread Platonides
Erik Moeller wrote: The experience that Sage describes in bug 24471 of not being consistently logged in arguably shouldn't occur in the first place per 1). Can we log the user into _all_ public Wikimedia wikis without incurring an unacceptable performance penalty? If so, how? We can do it if

Re: [Wikitech-l] strange page id numbering

2011-02-15 Thread Platonides
Anthony Ventresque (Dr) wrote: Hi, I've found something strange in some files. The maximum ids for a page are: latest pages-articles.xml: 29189922 page.sql: 28707562 categorylinks.sql: 28705949 (15,684 categories and 135,521 articles are missing) 2011-01-15

Re: [Wikitech-l] Migrating to GIT (extensions)

2011-02-15 Thread Platonides
Aryeh Gregor wrote: I've used git a lot (I use it for everything I want to version) and Mercurial a fair bit (the W3C seems to like it), and I *strongly* prefer git. Major problems I have with Mercurial: 1) It doesn't support lots of useful functionality that's built into git unless you

Re: [Wikitech-l] Migrating to GIT (extensions)

2011-02-15 Thread Platonides
Daniel Friesen wrote: However a key thing to note is that git submodules aren't anything really special. Sure, they're integrated into git, but the only real special feature about them is that you can target a specific commit id... and heck, we don't even want that feature, that's the whole

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making code review happen in 1.18

2011-02-15 Thread Platonides
Roan Kattouw wrote: 2011/2/14 Mark A. Hershberger mhershber...@wikimedia.org: If we have a 1.18 branch that is, as Brion has noted (and supported), a day or two behind trunk at most, is there a reason that the we couldn't branch wmfN from the rolling 1.18 branch? Or even just tag it when we

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Skin preference

2011-02-10 Thread Platonides
Amir E. Aharoni wrote: 2011/2/10 Daniel Friesen li...@nadir-seen-fire.com Since we've already got some of these, would you mind getting me some aggregate data for skin preferences. In particular I'd like to know how many users across Wikimedia (en.wp, maybe commons too might be enough for

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Gender preference

2011-02-10 Thread Platonides
Sage Ross wrote: On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Howie Fung hf...@wikimedia.org wrote: Just making sure I understand the data below. I'm assuming this means there are 13,959,842 total accounts in the English Wikipedia? Interesting because there are a total of 651,652 cumulative New

Re: [Wikitech-l] categorisation issues in dumps

2011-02-08 Thread Platonides
Anthony Ventresque (Dr) wrote: Hi, I am trying to build an offline version of the wikipedia categorisation tree. As usual with projects on wikipedia, I've downloaded dumps (actually the interesting one here is pages-articles.xml). And I found that none of the dumps has the relation

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] Most wanted

2011-02-07 Thread Platonides
Ilmari Karonen wrote: I'm not particularly familiar with the parser, but I suspect that this would require doing at least some parts of link parsing _during_ brace expansion, rather than in a separate pass after it. Which is probably not trivial, but probably not quite impossible either.

Re: [Wikitech-l] A call for skins

2011-02-07 Thread Platonides
Daniel Friesen wrote: I've been making some improvements to the skin system for awhile now, so... If you have a MediaWiki skin you've built, feel free to bring out it's source code. Currently most of the few custom skins that exist are floating around the Internet, and they are various

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captchas and non-English speakers

2011-02-05 Thread Platonides
MZMcBride wrote: My intention wasn't to come across as dismissive. On the other hand, if people begin new conversations without having read the old conversations, it sets back progress dramatically. The opening post didn't make any mention of the old bugs or their progress, so I was trying to

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Selenium] Issue with importing a test database

2011-02-03 Thread Platonides
the existing databse abstraction layer. I use the method DatabaseBase::sourceFile which in turn calls DatabaseBase::sourceStream. The problem is now, that some of the SQL INSERT statements seem to be too long for this method. Platonides pointed me to the source of the problem (thanks

Re: [Wikitech-l] NNTP access for Wikimedia mailing lists

2011-02-03 Thread Platonides
River Tarnell wrote: What do you think it should be set to? Gmane retains the original Reply-To header from the mail (which is set to the list address by Mailman), but this means that anyone who replies to a Usenet article by email will actually end up replying to the mailing list. If

Re: [Wikitech-l] Planned 1.17 deployment on February 8

2011-02-03 Thread Platonides
Maciej Jaros wrote: Can you set a different deploy date for different projects? E.g. 18.00 UTC for Poland. I will not be able to be there when hell will brake loose as I will be working and I'm sure most of the Polish tech admins will be too. Note that we was able test Vector with current

Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF and IPv6

2011-02-03 Thread Platonides
Jay Asworth wrote: As long as the proxy supports IPv6, it can continue to talk to Apache via IPv4; since WMF's internal network uses RFC1918 addresses, it won't be affected by IPv4 exhaustion. It might; how would a 6to4NAT affect blocking? If the XFF header is right, from mediawiki POV an

Re: [Wikitech-l] Farewell JSMin, Hello JavaScriptDistiller!

2011-02-01 Thread Platonides
Trevor Parscal wrote: There are 2 components to the JavaScriptDistiller library. One of them (the ParseMaster class) is 100% in sync with the official distribution. The other (the JavaScriptDistiller class) was originally based on the JavaScriptPacker::_basicCompression function. That

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inclusion request for the Validator extension

2011-01-31 Thread Platonides
Daniel Friesen wrote: setHook (old style tag hooks), and setFunctionTagHook (new style function tag hooks). setHook and setFunctionTagHook both set tag style hooks. Originally we just had setHook, it had one short argument list. Later on that argument list was changed to add $frame to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Best way to track RELEASE-NOTES changes each svnupdate?

2011-01-31 Thread Platonides
jida...@jidanni.org wrote: OK, I'm pretty happy with $ svn diff -r HEAD RELEASE-NOTES However that gives a backwards view, --- RELEASE-NOTES (revision 81238) +++ RELEASE-NOTES (working copy) I want --- RELEASE-NOTES (working copy) +++ RELEASE-NOTES (revision 81238) But $

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inclusion request for the Validator extension

2011-01-31 Thread Platonides
Daniel Friesen wrote: I think there's a little more difference between setHook and setFunctionTagHook than you mention. At the very least, extensionSubstitution outputs a function tag hook directly, while putting a normal tag hook into the general strip state and outputting a marker.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Parser postprocessor

2011-01-31 Thread Platonides
Daniel Friesen wrote: An interesting idea just popped into my head, as a combination of my explorations through the dom preprocessor and my attempt at deferring editsection replacement till after parsing is done so that skins can modify the markup used in an editsection link in a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Re sourceLoader + Windows + PHP bug 47689

2011-01-30 Thread Platonides
Ilmari Karonen wrote: Hmm... I don't really know what's going on inside PHP's PCRE implementation, but you might want to try replacing that regexp with: $parser-add( '/\\/\\*.*?\\*\\//s' ); The add()s are combined into a single big regex, you can't set dot-all. Doing it with (?s) may be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Checkered background on file description pages

2011-01-29 Thread Platonides
MZMcBride wrote: There was previous discussion about this, but more discussion is needed, apparently. Is site-wide CSS the best way to do this? Would a toggle on the file description page make more sense? User preference? MZMcBride It's easy to add such preference as a gadget.

Re: [Wikitech-l] ResourceLoader + Windows + PHP bug 47689

2011-01-29 Thread Platonides
The default thread stack for Apache binary is 256Kb [1] However, apr_thread_create() allows to use a different stack size (apr_threadattr_stacksize_set). The value used is stored in the global variable ap_thread_stacksize which can be set in ThreadStackSize at httpd.conf

Re: [Wikitech-l] This template has to be warmed up before it can be used, for some reason

2011-01-26 Thread Platonides
MZMcBride wrote: jida...@jidanni.org wrote: $ w3m -dump http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatworm |head Flatworm Simple typo in a template, fixed by OverlordQ: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=410094043oldid=408536727 Valid HTML comments in wikitext do not appear in the page source

Re: [Wikitech-l] Sentence-level editing / InlineEditor extension update

2011-01-26 Thread Platonides
Jan Paul Posma wrote: I completely missed the You can edit the article below, by clicking on blue elements in the page. line. Only found after thinking this needs some kind of notice on how to edit, since it's not clear what to do to change the page in usability testing I also found

Re: [Wikitech-l] Simple Page Object model using #lst

2011-01-25 Thread Platonides
Had LST used section name=foo /section to mark sections, instead of section begin=foo /contentsection end=foo /, it would be as easy as traversing the preprocessor output, which would already have the sections splitted. Alex Brollo wrote: 2011/1/25 Alex Brollo alex.bro...@gmail.com Just to

Re: [Wikitech-l] File licensing information support

2011-01-24 Thread Platonides
Happy-melon wrote: Eeeww What's any different between this and a {{#author: }} parser function apart from the inability to access it from the wikitext? As noted, it's perfectly possible for the data to be in a separate field on the upload form, either by default or by per-wiki

Re: [Wikitech-l] user email validation ready

2011-01-24 Thread Platonides
Brion Vibber wrote: On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Conrad Irwin conrad.ir...@gmail.comwrote: Out of interest, do you know what percentage of emails in the database don't validate under the new scheme? That's actually a wise thing to check -- most fails will probably be legitimately

Re: [Wikitech-l] File licensing information support

2011-01-24 Thread Platonides
Krinkle wrote: Before I respond to the recent new ideas, concepts and suggestions. I'd like to explain a few things about the backend (atleast the way it's currently planned to be) The mw_authors table contains unique authors by either a name or a userid. And optionally a custom

Re: [Wikitech-l] MATH markup question

2011-01-23 Thread Platonides
Aryeh Gregor wrote: When I load their homepage, the formulas don't appear for about two seconds of 100% CPU usage, on Firefox 4b9. And that's for two small formulas. I'm not impressed. IMO, the correct way forward is to work on native MathML support -- Gecko and WebKit both support it these

Re: [Wikitech-l] Sentence-level editing / InlineEditor extension update

2011-01-23 Thread Platonides
Jan Paul Posma wrote: Hey all, I've been working on the InlineEditor extension again, primarily working on a new interface that doesn't use the different edit modes anymore, as the usability testing showed that this was not the right approach. Luckily, without a change in the underlying

Re: [Wikitech-l] Saturday SUL breakage

2011-01-23 Thread Platonides
Ashar Voultoiz wrote: Hello, I have made a mistake Saturday evening (around 18:30 UTC) which broke some SUL-related functions. The issue was fixed by Apergos about 1 hour later while I was out of home. Don't worry more about it, Ashar. I think the need for --wiki aawiki is fixed in

Re: [Wikitech-l] File licensing information support

2011-01-22 Thread Platonides
An internally handled parser function doesn't conflict with showing it as a textbox. We could for instance store it as a hidden page prefix. Data stored in the text blob: Author: [[Author:Bryan]] License: GPL --- {{Information| This is a nice picture I took }} {{Deletion request|Copyvio from

Re: [Wikitech-l] Announcing OpenStackManager extension

2011-01-22 Thread Platonides
Ryan Lane wrote: For the past month or so I've been working on an extension to manage OpenStack (Nova), for use on the Wikimedia Foundation's upcoming virtualization cluster: http://ryandlane.com/blog/2011/01/02/building-a-test-and-development-infrastructure-using-openstack/ I've gotten

Re: [Wikitech-l] File licensing information support

2011-01-22 Thread Platonides
Krinkle wrote: So PHP would extract {{#author:4}} and {{#license:12}} from the textblob when showing the editpage. And show the remaining wikitext in the textarea and the author/ license as seperate form elements. And upon saving, generate {{#author:4}} {{#license:12}}\n again and

Re: [Wikitech-l] File licensing information support

2011-01-21 Thread Platonides
Roan Kattouw wrote: 2011/1/21 Platonides platoni...@gmail.com: Conceptually, revision table shouldn't link to file_props. file_props should be linked with image instead. Maybe, but the current image/oldimage schema resembling cur/old is horrible. For instance, there is no way to uniquely

Re: [Wikitech-l] File licensing information support

2011-01-21 Thread Platonides
Roan Kattouw wrote: 2011/1/21 Platonides platoni...@gmail.com: If we wanted to map it to a page/revision format, it seems quite straightforward. I'm missing something, right? You're missing that migrating a live site (esp. Commons, with 8 million image rows and ~750k oldimage rows) from

Re: [Wikitech-l] File licensing information support

2011-01-21 Thread Platonides
Roan Kattouw wrote: 2011/1/21 Platonides platoni...@gmail.com: Do we agree in the target db schema? That's the important point. We haven't thought about it in detail. But it would be a fairly large change and require changes throughout the software, as well as possibly elsewhere

Re: [Wikitech-l] File licensing information support

2011-01-20 Thread Platonides
Bryan Tong Minh wrote: Hello, As you may have noticed, Roan, Krinkle and me have started to more tightly integrate image licensing within MediaWiki. Our aim is to create a system where it should be easy to obtain the basic copyright information of an image in a machine readable format, as

Re: [Wikitech-l] From page history to sentence history

2011-01-19 Thread Platonides
masti wrote: On 01/18/2011 12:30 AM, Lars Aronsson wrote: On 01/17/2011 11:36 PM, masti wrote: what is the reason and what it can bring to the community? I tried to describe this. The task of finding out the history of a part of an article is very time consuming for long articles with a

Re: [Wikitech-l] WYSIFTW status

2011-01-19 Thread Platonides
Magnus Manske wrote: On my usual test article [[Paris]], the slowest section (History) parses in ~5 sec (Firefox 3.6.13, MacBook Pro). Chrome 10 takes 2 seconds. I believe these will already be acceptable to average users; optimisation should improve that further. Cheers, Magnus What

Re: [Wikitech-l] Cross-wiki user talk notification

2011-01-17 Thread Platonides
Jérémie Roquet á écrit: 2011/1/11 Ilmari Karonen nos...@vyznev.net: On 01/11/2011 11:59 AM, Jérémie Roquet wrote: And there's a handy property to determine if you have new messages: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=userinfouiprop=hasmsg Unfortunately (or fortunately),

Re: [Wikitech-l] CodeReview auto deferring

2011-01-16 Thread Platonides
Jeroen De Dauw wrote: Hey, My point is that code review is an extension, so AFAIK should use $eg, not $wg. Cheers [[Coding conventions]] was wrong. See r70755 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Update on Bugmeister

2011-01-14 Thread Platonides
So we finally have a bugmeister. I'm sure he will find very useful the Code Review experience from the last weeks. Ashar Voultoiz wrote: Have fun Mark :-) Yes, have fun :) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Christmas server failure report

2011-01-12 Thread Platonides
Ashar Voultoiz wrote: On 26/12/10 01:49, Platonides wrote: Earlier today, /a filled with binlogs in db27, which was s3 s7 master. nagios had warned too early / nobody noticed. Slaves lagged, lots of locks, the wikis got to a halt. Would it be possible to automatically move the binlogs from

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inclusion request for the Validator extension

2011-01-12 Thread Platonides
Brion Vibber wrote: On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.comwrote: Hey, I think display map would be parsed as the tag hook display with a parameter map=map. Would this prevent any use of the hook registered as the tag display map...? This code has been

Re: [Wikitech-l] Image.php is deprecated need to replace with something else

2011-01-11 Thread Platonides
Beebe, Mary J wrote: GetLinksTo() seems to be returning no results even though there are image pages with links to them. It seems to be a problem with the select statement within the File class. I looked at the query and if I run the query within mySQL it works if I remove the extra

Re: [Wikitech-l] Cross-wiki user talk notification

2011-01-11 Thread Platonides
Ilmari Karonen wrote: On 01/11/2011 11:59 AM, Jérémie Roquet wrote: And there's a handy property to determine if you have new messages: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=userinfouiprop=hasmsg Unfortunately (or fortunately), userinfo cannot be retrived using jsonp [1]. [1]

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extension test plans for Cite/ ConfirmEdit extensions

2011-01-11 Thread Platonides
Nadeesha Weerasinghe wrote: Test plans for the following MediaWiki extensions are available at, Cite : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Cite_Extension_Test_Plan ConfirmEdit : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ConfirmEdit_Test_Plan Test scenarios which can be automated are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inclusion request for the Validator extension

2011-01-11 Thread Platonides
Well, I just had an issue with Validator, so I am not too sympatatic with your extension right now ;) After grepping for setHook, it turns out that an extension like Maps, that has zero matches, sets parser hooks indirectly via Validator extension. And not only that, but it also sets a hook for a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Need some input

2011-01-05 Thread Platonides
Chad wrote: David Gerard wrote: You're just saying that because pirates stole all the well-formed XML. Real pirates use serialized PHP objects. -Chad Can Pirate Roberts be considered a Real Pirate or does account sharing disqualify him? ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] WikiCreole (was Re: What would be a perfect wiki syntax? (Re: WYSIWYG))

2011-01-04 Thread Platonides
Mark A. Hershberger wrote: Perhaps this is where we can cooperate more with other Wiki writers to develop a common Wiki markup. From my brief perusal of efforts, it looks like there is a community of developers involved in http://www.wikicreole.org/ but MediaWiki involvement is lacking

Re: [Wikitech-l] How would you disrupt Wikipedia?

2011-01-04 Thread Platonides
Tei wrote: The last time I tried to search something special about PHP (how to force a garbage recollection in old versions of PHP) there was very few hits on google, or none. Maybe that was because PHP only has garbage recollection since 5.3 :) For reference:

Re: [Wikitech-l] How would you disrupt Wikipedia?

2011-01-04 Thread Platonides
Alex Brollo wrote: Thanks Roan, your statement sound very alarming for me; I'll open a specific thread about into wikisource-l quoting this talk. I'm doing any efford to avoid server/history overload, since I know that I am using a free service (I just fixed {{loop}} template to optimize it

Re: [Wikitech-l] Secure login and interwiki — link failures and best help pages?

2011-01-04 Thread Platonides
Billinghurst wrote: Following on from a recent discussion here, I have been trying to watch the WMF world from a secure login. First statement is that it is problematic as so many links fail in the interwiki space. I cannot work out why some links to other wikis work fine and always

Re: [Wikitech-l] Missing Section Headings

2011-01-03 Thread Platonides
Aryeh Gregor wrote: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: I doubt the addition of overflow:hidden has this consequence since that has been broadly tested in all kinds of browsers and has been default on several wikis for a long while. IIRC, overflow: hidden

Re: [Wikitech-l] How would you disrupt Wikipedia?

2010-12-31 Thread Platonides
masti wrote: On 12/31/2010 01:02 AM, Platonides wrote: There's an extension to 'delete' pages by blanking. I find that approach much more wiki. if you like to be blocked for blanking ... masti If it was the right way of deleting, it would actually be the way specified by the policy

Re: [Wikitech-l] Missing Section Headings

2010-12-31 Thread Platonides
Marc Riddell wrote: Hello, I have been a WP editor since 2006. I hope you can help me. For some reason I no longer have Section Heading titles showing in the Articles. This is true of all Headings including the one that carries the Article subject's name. When there is a Table of Contents,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Does anybody have the 20080726 dump version?

2010-12-31 Thread Platonides
Anthony wrote: I'll work on a list. Are these going to be hosted somewhere? It would be nice for me to have an offsite backup. Then I'd feel more comfortable tossing the bz2 files once I've recompressed them to xz. I should mention that these were collected from all over the Internet,

Re: [Wikitech-l] How would you disrupt Wikipedia?

2010-12-30 Thread Platonides
Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote: I have been thinking along these lines too, although in a more haphazard way. At some point, if we believe our community is our greatest asset, we have to think of Wikipedia as infrastructure not only for creating high quality articles, but also for generating

Re: [Wikitech-l] How would you disrupt Wikipedia?

2010-12-30 Thread Platonides
Ryan Kaldari wrote: Actually, I would implement hot articles per WikiProject. So, for example, you could see the 5 articles under WikiProject Arthropods that had been edited the most in the past week. That should scale well. In fact, I would probably redesign Wikipedia to be

Re: [Wikitech-l] How would you disrupt Wikipedia?

2010-12-30 Thread Platonides
Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote: On 12/30/10 10:24 AM, Platonides wrote: Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote: At some point, if we believe our community is our greatest asset, we have to think of Wikipedia as infrastructure not only for creating high quality articles, but also for generating and sustaining

Re: [Wikitech-l] How would you disrupt Wikipedia?

2010-12-30 Thread Platonides
Aryeh Gregor wrote: We could also try to work out ways to make adminship less important. If protection, blocking, and deletion could be made less necessary and important in day-to-day editing, that would reduce the importance of admins and reduce the difference between established and new

Re: [Wikitech-l] How would you disrupt Wikipedia?

2010-12-30 Thread Platonides
Alex wrote: One thing that I think could help, at least on the English Wikipedia, would be to further restrict new article creation. Right now, any registered user can create a new article, and according to some statistics I gathered a few months ago[1], almost 25% of new users make their

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-30 Thread Platonides
masti wrote: That is true - We can't do away with Wikitext always been the intermediate conclusion (in between My god, we need to do something about this problem and This is hopeless, we give up again). between wikitext and WYSISWYG is a simple solution of colourizing text like for

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-30 Thread Platonides
masti wrote: That is true - We can't do away with Wikitext always been the intermediate conclusion (in between My god, we need to do something about this problem and This is hopeless, we give up again). between wikitext and WYSISWYG is a simple solution of colourizing text like for

Re: [Wikitech-l] Search engine improvements for transcluded text?

2010-12-26 Thread Platonides
Billinghurst wrote: Is it this parsing issue or a similar rendering issue that also is the cause for the book tool not working on transcluded pages at Wikisource? As per https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21653 Regards, Andrew No. It's a problem with the collection

[Wikitech-l] Christmas server failure report

2010-12-25 Thread Platonides
Earlier today, /a filled with binlogs in db27, which was s3 s7 master. nagios had warned too early / nobody noticed. Slaves lagged, lots of locks, the wikis got to a halt. Revisions between 6:50 and 8:20 pm UTC were lost (although they can be manually reimported from db27). The new s3 and s7

Re: [Wikitech-l] Using MySQL as a NoSQL

2010-12-24 Thread Platonides
Domas Mituzas wrote: It looks interesting. There are some places where mediawiki could take that shortcut if available. It wouldn't be a shortcut if you had to establish another database connection besides existing one. I was assuming usage of pfsockopen(), of course.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Using MySQL as a NoSQL

2010-12-23 Thread Platonides
Nikola Smolenski wrote: I have recently encountered this text in which the author claims very high MySQL speedups for simple queries (7.5 times faster than MySQL, twice faster than memcached) by reading the data directly from InnoDB where possible (MySQL is still used for writing and for

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alternative to opendir() functions?

2010-12-21 Thread Platonides
Soxred93 wrote: Before going into too much detail on the thread, consider what you actually need out of a fancy directory iterator. Offhand, I really can't think of many places where that even *happens* in MediaWiki... maybe when purging thumbnails? I count 10 instances of opendir() exactly

Re: [Wikitech-l] Questions about / cleaning up parts of tests/phpunit

2010-12-19 Thread Platonides
Zak Greant (Foo Associates) wrote: Greetings All, I've been editing http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Unit_Testing (and am happy for feedback and suggestions.) Hello Zak, Looks good overall, but there seem to be a bug with the SeleniumFramework line :) While editing, I took at look at the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Search engine improvements for transcluded text?

2010-12-19 Thread Platonides
Billinghurst wrote: I am guessing that the search engine does not transclude pages before it undertakes it indexing function. Is someone able to confirm that for me? Is there any fix that anyone can suggest, or even know where such an issue can be raised beyong Bugzilla? Would a fix

Re: [Wikitech-l] Parallelizing export dump (bug 24630)

2010-12-19 Thread Platonides
Diederik van Liere wrote: To continue the discussion on how to improve the performance, would it be possible to distribute the dumps as a 7z / gz / other format archive containing multiple smaller XML files. It's quite tricky to split a very large XML file in smaller valid XML files and if

Re: [Wikitech-l] Parallelizing export dump (bug 24630)

2010-12-19 Thread Platonides
Diederik van Liere wrote: Which dump file is offered in smaller sub files? http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20100904/ Also see http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Dumps/Parallelization ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] dataset1, xml dumps

2010-12-16 Thread Platonides
Gabriel Weinberg wrote: md5sum doesn't match. I get e74170eaaedc65e02249e1a54b1087cb (as opposed to 7a4805475bba1599933b3acd5150bd4d on http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20101011/enwiki-20101011-md5sums.txt ). I've downloaded it twice now and have gotten the same md5sum. Can anyone else

Re: [Wikitech-l] Parallelizing export dump (bug 24630)

2010-12-16 Thread Platonides
Roan Kattouw wrote: I'm not sure how hard this would be to achieve (you'd have to correlate blob parts with revisions manually using the text table; there might be gaps for deleted revs because ES is append-only) or how much it would help (my impression is ES is one of the slower parts of our

Re: [Wikitech-l] How to find the version of a dump

2010-12-14 Thread Platonides
Monica shu wrote: Hi emijrp, Here is my dump's info: *enwiki-latest-pages-articles.xml.bz2 * *a3a5ee062abc16a79d111273d4a1a99a* Thanks~ I can't find such md5 on any dump. Here are the md5s of the latest enwiki pages-articles: a9506e8aedd3b830e059b7c8a3c0dbcd

Re: [Wikitech-l] A tool or web form for creating new pages

2010-12-14 Thread Platonides
Ben Schwartz wrote: Hi all, I'd like to make it easier for novice users to create Sign Language definition pages with videos for en.wiktionary's new Sign gloss: namespace. It's already possible to create such pages, but it requires a large number of steps, which can deter potential

Re: [Wikitech-l] list of halfway implemented CSS

2010-12-11 Thread Platonides
Ilmari Karonen wrote: Technically, one could already turn a style sheet into an extension by bundling it with a short PHP file, but that's still unnecessarily complicated. It would be better if we could just tell wiki owners to download the CSS file and drop it into the right (common or

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making usability part of the development process

2010-12-07 Thread Platonides
Daniel Friesen wrote: PHP - XSL doesn't quite feel like much of an improvement in terms of cutting down on the verbose redundant code boilerplate required to insert something. ie: xsl:value-of select=title/ doesn't look much better than ?php $this-text(title) ?, as opposed to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making usability part of the development process

2010-12-07 Thread Platonides
Bryan Tong Minh wrote: On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: Daniel Friesen wrote: PHP - XSL doesn't quite feel like much of an improvement in terms of cutting down on the verbose redundant code boilerplate required to insert something. ie: xsl:value

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making usability part of the development process

2010-12-07 Thread Platonides
sure though that this would be good for your sanity. I wouldn't discard the idea immediately, insane as it may seem. ^_^ I was drafting a response Platonides' comment, ie: an example of a chunk of MonoBook code using a WikiText style template language... in order to demonstrate the insanity

Re: [Wikitech-l] Removing test suites from trunk

2010-12-07 Thread Platonides
Brion Vibber wrote: Offhand suggestion: can we pack/compress the language files in a way that keeps them smaller on the server but leaves them usable? -- brion We can provide them gzipped and require them with compress.zlib:// prepended to the filename. That will work magically™ as far as

Re: [Wikitech-l] Removing test suites from trunk

2010-12-06 Thread Platonides
Niklas Laxström wrote: This suggestion seems to come up from time to time. I feel it is unrealistic. First of all we can't remove them from svn, since they have to be there. We could remove them from the tarballs, but please, last time I checked the tarball was hardly over 12 megs. Even with

Re: [Wikitech-l] Removing test suites from trunk

2010-12-06 Thread Platonides
Niklas Laxström wrote: On 6 December 2010 17:02, Platonides wrote: Niklas Laxström wrote: A few days ago the issue came up where I was talking with an end user who was complaining about MediaWiki being too large (in the server, not in the tarball) compared to other apps like wordpress. I

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