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Hi,
I'm Kudu, the co-founder of Orain (https://orain.org), a new
non-profit wiki farm. Although it's pretty new and constantly
changing, I think it's pretty similar to what many of you might have
had in mind: community-led, free, ad-free and
Glad to hear you like it! :)
On 15 October 2013 04:41, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 10/02/2013 06:33 PM, Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
Did you see the Orain wikifarm? https://meta.orain.org/
No, I hadn't. But I followed your advice, I checked it out, tested the
service with a wiki
At 20:11 01/10/2013, Brion Vibber wrote:
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64Question for the group:
Would an officially supported general-purpose MediaWiki hosting service be
useful to people who would like to run wikis, but don't have the time,
expertise, or resources to maintain their own
On 10/02/2013 06:33 PM, Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
Did you see the Orain wikifarm? https://meta.orain.org/
No, I hadn't. But I followed your advice, I checked it out, tested the
service with a wiki that some friends wanted to create and got to know
the main contributors. Thank you! It's a
On 10/01/2013 02:53 PM, Brion Vibber wrote:
Ideally, my vision of a general-purpose wiki hosting service would provide
options that orgs like Wikia generally don't.
If there is an effort to work with hosting providers, I would suggest
finding a way to work with a large number of providers
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 7:57 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.comwrote:
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Ori Livneh o...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Foundation could play in ensuring that MediaWiki exposes the right set of
interfaces for deep integration with configuration management and
On 10/01/2013 04:34 PM, Ori Livneh wrote:
I don't like this every time you have a new idea, God kills a Community
member approach.
Ori, I like your work on MediaWiki-Vagrant -- surely a new idea! -- but
I'd also like you to consider the needs of people who don't have access
to the
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@nichework.com wrote:
The approach taken on Scribunto, though -- forking out a bundled lua
binary -- works even on shared hosting. I've even managed to get it
working on GoDaddy's notorious hosting.
Works on *some* shared hosting.
We
On 10/01/2013 02:53 PM, Brion Vibber wrote:
Ideally, my vision of a general-purpose wiki hosting service would
provide
options that orgs like Wikia generally don't.
If there is an effort to work with hosting providers, I would suggest
finding a way to work with a large number of providers
On 10/02/2013 11:16 AM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote:
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@nichework.com
wrote:
The approach taken on Scribunto, though -- forking out a bundled lua
binary -- works even on shared hosting. I've even managed to get it
working on GoDaddy's
One intermediate position might be for WMF to distribute virtual machine
images which can easily be installed on any one of a number of different
hosting services. OpenStack/Glance appears to be one such system, although
ops probably knows better. The current efforts with puppet and vagrant are
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Chris McMahon cmcma...@wikimedia.orgwrote:
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 7:57 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Ori Livneh o...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Foundation could play in ensuring that MediaWiki exposes the
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From: Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:48 PM, C. Scott Ananian
canan...@wikimedia.orgwrote:
One intermediate position might be for WMF to distribute virtual
machine images
I'd rather provide cloud-init scripts with instructions on how
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
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From: Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:48 PM, C. Scott Ananian
canan...@wikimedia.orgwrote:
One intermediate position might be for WMF to distribute virtual
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Question for the group:
Would an officially supported general-purpose MediaWiki hosting service be
useful to people who would like to run wikis, but don't have the time,
expertise, or resources to maintain their own
On 10/02/2013 07:17 PM, phoebe ayers wrote:
I have needed such a thing for wikis for small non-profits/library
associations that I've been involved with, where I didn't want to host it
myself (because I didn't want to take personal responsibility for the site
of an organization that I might
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From: m...@nichework.com
To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Officially supported MediaWiki hosting service?
On 10/02/2013 07:17 PM, phoebe ayers wrote:
I have needed such a thing for wikis for small non-profits/library
associations that I've been involved
Question for the group:
Would an officially supported general-purpose MediaWiki hosting service be
useful to people who would like to run wikis, but don't have the time,
expertise, or resources to maintain their own installation?
If so, what can we (as interested parties in MediaWiki development
other than Wikia, then?
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From: Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org
To: Wikimedia-tech list wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 2:11:16 PM
Subject: [Wikitech-l] Officially supported MediaWiki hosting service?
Question for the group
On 2013-10-01 3:11 PM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Question for the group:
Would an officially supported general-purpose MediaWiki hosting service be
useful to people who would like to run wikis, but don't have the time,
expertise, or resources to maintain their own
itching to see something happen on this front
for years. :)
-- brion
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From: Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org
To: Wikimedia-tech list wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 2:11:16 PM
Subject: [Wikitech-l] Officially supported
On 2013-10-01 11:43 AM, Brian Wolff wrote:
I know this is not your question - but officially supported by whom? I
would consider this massively out of scope for the wmf unless it was using
revenue from this service to subsidize wikipedia. Even then it seems
somewhat questionable, politically.
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote:
I know this is not your question - but officially supported by whom? I
would consider this massively out of scope for the wmf unless it was using
revenue from this service to subsidize wikipedia. Even then it seems
somewhat
Question for the group:
Would an officially supported general-purpose MediaWiki hosting service
be
useful to people who would like to run wikis, but don't have the time,
expertise, or resources to maintain their own installation?
If so, what can we (as interested parties in MediaWiki
Le 01/10/13 20:43, Brian Wolff a écrit :
I know this is not your question - but officially supported by whom? I
would consider this massively out of scope for the wmf unless it was using
revenue from this service to subsidize wikipedia. Even then it seems
somewhat questionable, politically.
the org has permission to use the MediaWiki name/logo/domains
Name and Logo sure -- but why domains? This shouldn't be an exclusive
thing; we should not be moving towards having only one shop offering this
service. Maybe the WMF could have some sort of 'partners' program that
handled licensing.
quote name=Matthew Walker date=2013-10-01 time=12:32:08 -0700
the org has permission to use the MediaWiki name/logo/domains
Name and Logo sure -- but why domains? This shouldn't be an exclusive
thing; we should not be moving towards having only one shop offering this
service. Maybe the WMF
On 10/01/2013 11:11 AM, Brion Vibber wrote:
Question for the group:
Would an officially supported general-purpose MediaWiki hosting service be
useful to people who would like to run wikis, but don't have the time,
expertise, or resources to maintain their own installation?
If so, what can we
So, maybe the default install doc shouldn't say Step 1: Create account
at $Prefered_Vendor but we can definitely have known good vendors
listed somewhere...
Greg
Yes, hosts give very little information up front. You have to try them
out to find out what software they have installed. The
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote:
The idea that Brion expressed, I believe, is what we were going for with
the public RFP for the MW Release Management work. It showed community
support and something to point at (by anyone) if a weird decision was
made
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 10/01/2013 11:11 AM, Brion Vibber wrote:
Question for the group:
Would an officially supported general-purpose MediaWiki hosting service be
useful to people who would like to run wikis, but don't have the time,
MediaWiki exposes the right set of
interfaces for deep integration with configuration management and cloud
provisioning platforms, and ensuring that these interfaces are intuitive
and well-documented.
Not well documented yet; but I'll put in a shameless plug that I have a
patch [1] that will
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Ori Livneh o...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 10/01/2013 11:11 AM, Brion Vibber wrote:
Question for the group:
Would an officially supported general-purpose MediaWiki hosting service
be
useful
Wikia is dinky? ShoutWiki is antiquated? I don't necessarily disagree
with your overall point, but please don't generalise like this; an
innacurate statement like that just takes away from it.
On 01/10/13 21:34, Ori Livneh wrote:
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote:
Wikia is dinky? ShoutWiki is antiquated? I don't necessarily disagree with
your overall point, but please don't generalise like this; an innacurate
statement like that just takes away from it.
Ok, fair point.
On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Ori Livneh o...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Foundation could play in ensuring that MediaWiki exposes the right set of
interfaces for deep integration with configuration management and cloud
provisioning platforms, and ensuring that these interfaces are intuitive
and
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