Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: No more Architecture Committee?

I would also suggest that an effort be made to find community members who are not WMF employees to participate in the ArchCom and then to have their voices heard during in quarterly planning. I dont know if this is practical. As Chad noted earlier, WMF hires the best and the brightest. Even

Re: [Wikitech-l] GPL upgrading to version 3

On Feb 7, 2015 3:57 PM, Thomas Mulhall thomasmulhall...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi should we upgrade GPL to version 3 since version 3 is more modern then version 2. Should it be updated in extensions, skins and MediaWiki. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] GPL upgrading to version 3

On Feb 8, 2015 8:17 AM, Tim Landscheidt t...@tim-landscheidt.de wrote: Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: One thing to point out is that: 1) Even right now, under the GPL, if extensions do qualify as “derivative works” or w/e, they do have to be GPL licensed. 2) Source code only has

Re: [Wikitech-l] Video Uploads to Commons

On Feb 3, 2015 8:43 PM, Nkansah Rexford seanmav...@gmail.com wrote: I couldn't find a tool to convert my videos from whatever format into .ogv outside my PC box before pushing to Commons. I guess there might exist something like that, but perhaps I can't find it. But I made one for myself.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Getting the full URL of an image

On 1/19/15, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, On my local wiki I have a page with the name File:Blue marker.png. The following code returns false: $title = Title::makeTitle( NS_FILE, $file ); $title-exists(); That used to return true in the past. Not sure what is broken -

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 2.0 (was: No more Architecture Committee?)

On Jan 20, 2015 4:22 PM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 20 January 2015 at 12:04, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: ​​ - ​Get rid of wikitext on the server-side. - HTML storage only. Remove MWParser from the codebase. All extensions that

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 2.0 (was: No more Architecture Committee?)

On Jan 20, 2015 5:53 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 20, 2015 4:22 PM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 20 January 2015 at 12:04, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: ​​ - ​Get rid of wikitext on the server-side. - HTML storage

Re: [Wikitech-l] Brion's role change within WMF

On Jan 20, 2015 12:34 PM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: Quick update: I've had a great experience working on our mobile apps, but it's time to get back to core MediaWiki and help clean my own house... now that we've got Mobile Apps fully staffed I'm leaving the mobile department

Re: [Wikitech-l] wfRunHooks deprecation

On Jan 21, 2015 1:40 PM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, Does the new syntax offer any advantage over the old one? Assuming that we want to switch to non-static function calls eventually (which I hope is the case), wouldn't it be friendlier towards extension maintainers

Re: [Wikitech-l] The future of shared hosting

On Jan 16, 2015 2:49 AM, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Bryan Davis bd...@wikimedia.org wrote: One of the bigger questions I have about the potential shift to requiring services is the fate of shared hosting deployments of MediaWiki. What will

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: No more Architecture Committee?

On Jan 16, 2015 9:21 AM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@nichework.com wrote: Ori Livneh o...@wikimedia.org writes: The model I do think we should consider is Python 3. Python 3 did not jettison the Python 2 codebase. The intent behind the major version change was to open up a parallel

Re: [Wikitech-l] The future of shared hosting

On Jan 16, 2015 11:07 AM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@wikimedia.org wrote: However, with clear API architecture we could maybe have alternatives - i.e. be able to have the same service performed by a

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 2.0 (was: No more Architecture Committee?)

On Jan 16, 2015 1:05 PM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: [Moving threads for on-topic-ness.] On 16 January 2015 at 07:01, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone actually have anything they want that is difficult to do currently and requires a mass compat break

Re: [Wikitech-l] The future of shared hosting

On Jan 16, 2015 5:14 PM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: What you're forgetting is that WMF abandoned MediaWiki as an Open Source

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: No more Architecture Committee?

On Jan 22, 2015 6:43 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 22, 2015 2:08 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: I think that’s kind of insulting to those of us who don’t work at the WMF. Just because they hire the “best and the brightest” does not mean there are not people

Re: [Wikitech-l] need review and co-mentor volunteers for GSoC Accuracy review proposal

On 2/12/15, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: I invite review of this preliminary proposal for a Google Summer of Code project: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Accuracy_review If you would like to co-mentor this project, please sign up. I've been a GSoC mentor every year since 2010, and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Technical question about FQDN

On Jan 28, 2015 6:18 AM, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote: May someone help me? I have read the short documentation of variables like: $wgInternalServer $wgServer But I don't understand how combine them to get the Mediawiki accessible internally with a local IP AND externally

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

On Jan 9, 2015 3:24 PM, Rob Moen rm...@wikimedia.org wrote: Currently our approach on social media is that Social media websites aren't useful for spreading news and reaching out to potential users and contributors. [1] I challenge this though. Is it really true? Twitter has 254 million

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Unsolicited digital currency donations

Your current balance is 0.11 XPM. Woo, a whole eighth of a cent (USD). Soon you'll be able to buy a little pseudo-brass token, then a private floating island! (Personally i think the tipping for commits is an interesting idea. Although tiping for bugs would seem better as those are concrete

Re: [Wikitech-l] New feature: tool edit

-- Every registered user would be able to flag edit as tool edit (bot needs special user group) Vandals would have fun with that, but bot group could be set up like that (e.g. flood group) -- The flag wouldn't be intended for use by robots, but regular users who used some automated tool in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Use of hreflang in the head

On Feb 9, 2015 7:07 AM, Daniel Friesen dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: On 2015-02-09 2:16 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: This of course would add some additional payload to pages with lots of language links, but could help avoid results like [2] where the English language version of an article

Re: [Wikitech-l] need review and co-mentor volunteers for GSoC Accuracy review proposal

Furthermore, the initial limited subtask would be much more difficult to evaluate as a strategy without a working prototype, including by the Bot Approvals Group which demands working code before making a final decision on implementation. Trying to second guess the BAG is presumptuous. es

Re: [Wikitech-l] Boil the ocean, be silly, throw the baby out with bathwater, demolish silos, have fun

On Feb 13, 2015 6:15 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for all the trolling, but why instead of discussing how we need a responsive skin for MediaWiki and waiting for Winter to come don't we just do it: * Move Minerva out of MobileFrontend * Leave all mobile-specific

Re: [Wikitech-l] What does it take to have a project hosted on the Wikimedia git server?

-03-13 13:54 GMT+02:00 Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com: See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/New_repositories Basically you just have to ask. I think its a nice thing to keep wiki related code, including bots in our git repos as that makes it easier for others to find. I am

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tor proxy with blinded tokens

On Mar 10, 2015 10:21 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Chris. But if the account is obviously not a normal account, I'd suspect that this special kind of user account would quickly become very obvious to those who snoop and would actually increase the level of scrutiny on the

Re: [Wikitech-l] What does it take to have a project hosted on the Wikimedia git server?

On Mar 13, 2015 6:05 AM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The Romanian Wikipedia has a code repository used mainly for robots of interest to the local community. So far, it has been hosted on Google Code. Since that site is closing, we are considering replacements and one of the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Org changes in WMF's Platform Engineering group

On Mar 25, 2015 1:18 PM, Gilles Dubuc gil...@wikimedia.org wrote: Does this mean there will no longer be a multimedia team/nobody responsible or working on what the multimedia team was working on previously? We'll keep supporting the extensions that multimedia used to cover, in terms

Re: [Wikitech-l] Extension:Gather launching on beta for English WP mobile users.

there. The infrastructure required is all in Gather. [1] https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Support_ for_user-specific_page_lists_in_core On 26 Mar 2015 7:20 am, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 26, 2015 11:04 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [Wikitech-l] Transfering domain cswp.cz to WMF

On Feb 28, 2015 10:21 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think Wikimedia is currently looking at maintaining a url shortening service. However, a redirect domain (distinguished by whether or not the target url can be trivially derived from the request url) seems much more

Re: [Wikitech-l] post project funding

Couple quick clarifications: 1. There have been many IEGs that focus on tool development, including those from the most recent round https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG#ieg-engaging. There's no tradition of denying software projects: they're quite well represented among completed

Re: [Wikitech-l] Possible parser test breakage in cases using gallery

On Feb 26, 2015 2:03 PM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: The gallery tag generation has been updated to include srcset attributes for high-density displays: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T64709 An unfortunate consequence is that if extensions have parser test cases including a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Types of allowed projects for grant funding (renamed)

On 2/21/15, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: (Now continuing this discussion on Wikimedia-l also, since we are discussing grant policies.) For what it's worth, I repeatedly advocated for allowing IEG to support a broader range of tech projects when I was on IEGCom. I had the impression that

Re: [Wikitech-l] post project funding

On 2/21/15, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: In general WMF has a conservative grant policy (with the exception of IEG, grant funding seems to be getting more conservative every year, and some mission-aligned projects can't get funding because they don't fit into the current molds of the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Extension:Gather launching on beta for English WP mobile users.

On Mar 26, 2015 9:58 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Hi. Moushira Elamrawy wrote: The Extension will keep the name Gather and internally the team was more inclined to name the feature Stacks. However, a survey study has been carried out by the design research team and Collections,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Monthly MediaWiki releases

On Mar 26, 2015 5:47 PM, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote: quote name=Thomas Mulhall date=2015-03-26 time=20:30:30 + Hi it has been 3-4 months since the last mediawiki releases when will they have a new release since it has been a long time. Sorry about the delay; the Wikimedia

Re: [Wikitech-l] Org changes in WMF's Platform Engineering group

On Mar 24, 2015 10:45 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi folks, First things first: I'm not burying the lede in this email, so if you aren't interested in the inner workings of WMF's Platform Engineering team, feel free to ignore the rest of this. :-) We're making a few

Re: [Wikitech-l] Extension:Gather launching on beta for English WP mobile users.

On Mar 26, 2015 11:04 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 26, 2015 9:58 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Hi. Moushira Elamrawy wrote: The Extension will keep the name Gather and internally the team was more inclined to name the feature Stacks. However, a survey

Re: [Wikitech-l] Phabricator monthly statistics - 2015-03

Or perhaps we need better definitions of what unbreak now means. Wasn't the original definition supposed to be for major outages? The type of thing where 48 hours was the very outside limit on acceptability? E.g. bugs of the form 25% of users can't edit. Of course history has shown that trying to

Re: [Wikitech-l] BounceHandler deployed 'everywhere' succesfully

Congratulations. Its no small feat to get something deployed and used on Wikimedia, especially when its integrated directly with the site. Many gsoc projects have failed in this regard, you should be proud of what you have accomplished. -- Bawolff On Mar 30, 2015 2:24 PM, Tony Thomas

Re: [Wikitech-l] Thumbnail image hinting in articles via metadata tags

On Apr 2, 2015 2:58 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: Hi James! Thanks for mailing out. On the subject of OG tags, we have a bunch of bugs around explicitly using og tags ([1] for example) This thread is very enlightening: [2] tldr: Essentially I think many of us, myself included,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Thumbnail image hinting in articles via metadata tags

On Apr 2, 2015 11:02 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Brian Wolff wrote: On Apr 2, 2015 2:58 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: On the subject of OG tags, we have a bunch of bugs around explicitly using og tags ([1] for example) This thread is very enlightening: [2] tldr

Re: [Wikitech-l] odd namespace number

On Apr 2, 2015 7:01 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Hi, Flow has a new namespace: Topic. It has an even namespace number by default: 2600. Liquid threads did the same thing. Afaik nothing bad happened (although i think its important to have namespace 2601 defined,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Multimedia team?

Im told the multimedia team got undisbanded and now is part of editing department. People have been talking about vr for a long time. I think there is more pressing concerns (e.g. video). I suspect VR will stay in the video game realm or gimmick realm for a while yet --bawolff On May 9, 2015

Re: [Wikitech-l] Multimedia team?

On 5/13/15, Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.org wrote: The team has some hires, and there will be some needed focus on hiring at least some of them as backend/MediaWiki core engineers. This is mostly because we acknowledge the sizable backlog of tasks in that area as well as the need to make

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Math extension, errors that may be Windows-related

On Apr 12, 2015 6:06 AM, Brenton Horne brentonhorn...@gmail.com wrote: I sent this message to MediaWiki-l but as I am yet to receive a reply despite sending it about a day ago I have decided to forward it here. Forwarded Message Subject:Math extension, errors that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

To be nitpicky, not only is it possible to combine rc with wikipages, its been supported (and mostly unused) for ages in the form of special:recentchangeslinked. More structured lists could be done with content handler (as with all things there are pros and cons to such an approach).

Re: [Wikitech-l] Another reason to consider forcing https

On Apr 11, 2015 1:18 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: https://citizenlab.org/2015/04/chinas-great-cannon/ Pine ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l A surprisingly

Re: [Wikitech-l] Requiring PHP = 5.3.3 for MediaWiki core

On Apr 7, 2015 1:26 PM, Matthew Flaschen mflasc...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 10/27/2014 03:05 PM, Krinkle wrote: On 24 Oct 2014, at 17:31, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: ​How much longer? 1.25 is May 2015; Wikimedia's ZAP - HAT migration is nominally to be finished within a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Must the logging table be in chronological order?

On Apr 7, 2015 1:54 PM, Daniel Barrett d...@cimpress.com wrote: Will anything bad happen if entries in the MediaWiki logging table are not inserted in chronological order? Due to a bug, our logging table has incomplete data. I'd like to insert the missing data using a script. However, the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

Oh look, we go full circle ;) I haven't checked but given its implemented as a special page i doubt Risker's cu concerns are addressed. Edits to lists do not appear in contribs on beta site. --bawolff On Apr 4, 2015 11:15 AM, Kevin Wayne Williams kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote: I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Obfuscating IP addresses on history pages

Things that come to my mind: *range blocks become impossible, and its impossible to tell if vandals are using near by ips *cant do a whois on the ip to see if its a library or something Suppose those first two come down to the drawback of not knowing the ip is you dont know the ip More

Re: [Wikitech-l] Obfuscating IP addresses on history pages

On Apr 8, 2015 11:12 AM, Kevin Wayne Williams kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote: Cristian Consonni schreef op 2015/04/08 om 3:00: 2015-04-05 17:31 GMT+02:00 Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com: Things that come to my mind: *range blocks become impossible, and its impossible to tell if vandals

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

On Apr 8, 2015 2:59 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: The main motivation for lists as not being wikipages is so that they can be combined with the recent changes feed and other things stored in the database. To be nitpicky, not only is it possible to combine rc with wikipages, its

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community project ideas

On 5/19/15, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: MZ, I think we should be grateful that WMF is dedicating resources to power users, make suggestions to them on what we most want them to work on, and leave it at that. Isn't part of the criticism of this thread that the team has unclear scope? Is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Welcome Darian Patrick

On 5/19/15, Chris Steipp cste...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all, I'd like to introduce Darian Anthony Patrick, our new Application Security Engineer for the foundation! Darian joins me as a member of the newly formed Security Team. He comes from Aspect Security, where he provided

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please help a patch not to become two years old

On 6/8/15, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Sat, 2015-06-06 at 21:40 +0200, Ricordisamoa wrote: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/67588 needs love. Less than 2 days left! Thanks in advance. For future reference, adding basic context (e.g.: Scribunto here) is very welcome if you

Re: [Wikitech-l] Feedback requested on our search APIs

On 6/8/15, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: Do you use our search API? If so, I'd like to hear from you! The Discovery Department https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff_and_contractors#Discovery at the Wikimedia Foundation is tasked with building a path of discovery to relevant and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Feedback requested on our search APIs

On 6/8/15, S Page sp...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: The search api (by which I mean query=search in api.php) is somewhat poorly documented. You have to dig to find https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:CirrusSearch . I recently

Re: [Wikitech-l] Feedback requested on our search APIs

To really make this awesome we need structured data support for Commons with Wikidata. We'll be making more progress on it in the second half of this year but there is a lot to do. Sure, to really make that awsome, yeah you need wikidata. But we are far away from hitting the point where we

Re: [Wikitech-l] Using , as decimal separator in #expr

On 6/14/15, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I'm using the #expr parser function provided by the Parser Functions extension. I'd like it to use , as decimal separator, and it currently uses .. Is there a way to change this nicer than installing String Functions and doing a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Implementing features for the sake of implementing features

On 6/17/15, Eran Rosenthal eranro...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes programmers waste their time for implementing non-useful/non-important features, but sometimes such features aren't just not useful, but harmful.[1; you are more than welcome to convince me otherwise] Both developers, designers

Re: [Wikitech-l] API BREAKING CHANGE: Default continuation mode for action=query will change at the end of this month

On 6/3/15, Steinsplitter Wiki steinsplitter-w...@live.com wrote: Most operator are volunteers and don't have time to change the code every month because there is a change in the api. Because of this devs should keep the api backward-compatible. Also wondering why wee need this new api. The old

Re: [Wikitech-l] Simplifying the WMF deployment cadence

On May 28, 2015 8:40 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 12:17 AM, Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/27/2015 01:19 PM, Greg Grossmeier wrote: Hi all, New cadence: Tuesday: New branch cut, deployed to test wikis Wednesday: deployed

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Simplifying the WMF deployment cadence

On May 28, 2015 4:21 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect the idea is to lean more on our quality assurance infrastructure e.g. browser tests which I fully welcome. The more developed they become the less chance of regressions making it to code let alone our projects. When I

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki needs a governance model

On 7/1/15, Mark A. Hershberger m...@nichework.com wrote: I just posted this at http://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Blog_Post:18 and I would like to invite your comments. = MediaWiki needs a governance model = Eighteen months ago, at the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_Summit_2014

Re: [Wikitech-l] Data and Developer Hub protoype

On 6/25/15, S Page sp...@wikimedia.org wrote: http://devhub.wmflabs.org is a prototype of the Data and developer hub, a portal and set of articles and links whose goal is to encourage third-party developers to use Wikimedia data and APIs. Check it out, your feedback is welcome! You can comment

Re: [Wikitech-l] Data and Developer Hub protoype

On 7/6/15, S Page sp...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: First of all, the links at the beginning, should not go directly to the projects in question, they should go to pages explaining how to use those projects in question

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [MediaWiki-announce] MediaWiki bug fix release 1.25.1

For some reason this didn't automatically go to wikitech-l. So fyi everyone: -- Forwarded message -- From: Chris Steipp cste...@wikimedia.org Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 15:26:57 -0700 Subject: [MediaWiki-announce] MediaWiki bug fix release 1.25.1 To:

Re: [Wikitech-l] RFC: Replace Tidy with HTML 5 parse/reserialize

On 8/12/15, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Tim Starling wrote: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89331 Running the output of the MediaWiki parser through HTML Tidy always seemed like a nasty hack. The effects on wikitext syntax are arbitrary and change from version to version. When we

Re: [Wikitech-l] RFC: Replace Tidy with HTML 5 parse/reserialize

On Saturday, August 15, 2015, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Robert Rohde wrote: Some years back I was importing a large number of complex templates to a wiki that didn't have tidy enabled. The results were nothing short of horrendous in a substantial number of cases. Wiki authors will

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Code of conduct

On 8/22/15, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: For example, MediaWiki is intentionally GPLv2, not GPLv3. MediaWiki is not intentionally GPLv2. It merely is v2 now and the community cannot come to a consensus

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Code of conduct

brion, civility _is_ enforced already today by the terms of use, nothing new necessary. It really isn't except for extreme cases. There's a difference between a policy enforced from above saying you're not allowed to do various things, most of which would probably land you in jail, and a

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Code of conduct

On 8/23/15, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: Admins? And who are those? Please build a listing of every admin for every possible technical venue relating to Wikimedia. While you're at it, we're going to need them to have a shared hivemind so enforcement is consistent between venues.

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Code of conduct

for Steinsplitter's question, come up with nothing. But even if they did come up with something relavent, linking directly allows people to know for sure which arguments are being talked about, and evaluate them properly. -- bawolff On 23 August 2015 at 15:23, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/23/15

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Code of conduct

On 8/22/15, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: David, thanks for this find. THIS is why the Code of Conduct is needed. I recognized myself in this blog. I remembered avoiding any aspect of socialization at conferences I had to attend for work, and simply didn't even consider attending

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Code of conduct

On 8/24/15, Yaron Koren ya...@wikiworks.com wrote: Hi, I remembered how readily the guys assumed that any woman there was there for more than just networking and learning. I remembered having my butt pinched, my breasts accidentally touched, my questions ignored or laughed at. I remember

Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving CAPTCHA friendliness for humans, and increasing CAPTCHA difficulty for bots

On Tuesday, August 18, 2015, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: what's happening with regard to improving usability for humans and increasing the difficulty for bots? Generally speaking, isnt that an open problem in computer science? -- Bawolff ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] Plan for a Developer Relations team

On Jun 29, 2015 3:01 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi, the Engineering Community team is working on a plan to evolve onto a Developer Relations team. This is not just a change of name. See * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Engineering_Community_Team/Developer_Relations_team

Re: [Wikitech-l] [recommended reading] do terrible things to your code

1. You can always assume that all your input is magically converted to UTF-8 NFC (Not if you're running from a maintenance script) 2. You can do things like call the API (internally) to edit a page when a method from $wgParser-parse() is on the stack (Well you can, but the page you're parsing is

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Code of conduct

On 8/10/15, Matthew Flaschen mflasc...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 08/10/2015 07:10 PM, MZMcBride wrote: I'm not really sure what you're talking about here. We already have: As you know, none of those are binding policies that apply to all Wikimedia technical spaces. *

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Code of conduct

On 8/7/15, Matthew Flaschen mflasc...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 08/07/2015 11:43 AM, Oliver Keyes wrote: Thank you for drafting this up, Matt. Who's we here? In that case, we meant the Wikimedia technical community (in collaboration with other related groups at WMF). Several people have

Re: [Wikitech-l] [WikimediaMobile] Cross-Post: Editing + Reading Meeting Notes

If it wouldn't be a distraction from other priorities, I'm wondering if project management could be the subject of a Tech Talk sometime. (Cc'ing Rachel who I believe coordinates Tech Talks.) Thanks, Pine You mean like Kanban: An alternative to Scrum?

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is down

> > And again these are systems issues. I agree that MediaWiki is a complex > system. But one would think, given the significant focus on data > collection, any acceptance testing before a significant infrastructure > change would include a review to ensure that it will not impact data >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Random rant

On 10/28/15, MZMcBride wrote: > Ricordisamoa wrote: >>ALL of my OAuth applications expired without anyone noticing. Whom am I >>supposed to lobby to get one approved? > > Hi. > > This rant doesn't seem very random. :-) > > This sounds like

Re: [Wikitech-l] XSS warning for an image download

://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Commodore_Grace_M._Hopper,_USN_%20covered%20.jpg#36059408556548644467 > ]. > [NoScript HTTPS] AUTOMATIC SECURE on https://upload.wikimedia.org: > WMF-Last-Access=25-Oct-2015; domain=upload.wikimedia.org; path=/; HttpOnly; > Secure >

Re: [Wikitech-l] XSS warning for an image download

On 10/24/15, Pine W wrote: > When I right-click on the image download link for > File:Commodore_Grace_M._Hopper,_USN_(covered).jpg the download I get is > only 269 bytes and it contains a 404 error in plaintext even though it's a > jpg file. > > When I click on the image

Re: [Wikitech-l] RFC: make Parser::getTargetLanguage aware of multilingual wikis

On 11/10/15, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote: > This in general reminds me of https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T4085. > > Also, if page content can vary based on user language, what to do about bug > reports that Special:WhatLinksHere, category listings, file usage data at >

Re: [Wikitech-l] RFC: make Parser::getTargetLanguage aware of multilingual wikis

On 11/10/15, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) <bjor...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Brian Wolff <bawo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 11/10/15, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) <bjor...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >> > Also, if page content can vary based on

Re: [Wikitech-l] Contributing to Wikimedia Foundation

The bug references ORACLE, so its probably maintenance/oracle/tables.sql --bawolff On 11/16/15, Bill Morrisson wrote: > Thanks to Andre and Johan for the welcoming message and the tips to start > out in the wikimedia community. > I have been taking my time to look at

Re: [Wikitech-l] What's the previous=yes parameter?

What did you do to get to a page that had that parameter? Parameters can come from anywhere, so its hard to say. But I would say most likely its from javascript (either common.js or gadget) [OTOH: searching for insource:previous doesn't give me anything]. Most of the time, MediaWiki would convert

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikitech-ambassadors] Update about on-going work on Notifications, especially cross-wiki notifications

On Sunday, November 15, 2015, Pine W wrote: > The discussion about Flothat I referened is currently happening on Lila's > talk page on Meta. Would you like to join the conversation there? The > discussion there might get more staff attention than Wikimedia-l. (I hear a >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Forking, branching, merging, and drafts on Wikipedia

On 11/6/15, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > There is a proposal for the upcoming Mediawiki Dev Summit to get us > "unstuck" on support for non-linear revision histories in Wikipedia. This > would include support for "saved drafts" of wikipedia edits and offline > editing

[Wikitech-l] Reserving data-mw- attribute prefix in the sanitizer as non-user specifiable

Occasionally its useful to pass trusted data to javascript using data attributes on elements that you know is not from the user. In the past, there has been security issues from using the data attribute for information that is assumed to be trusted, but in reality could be messed with by the user.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [MediaWiki-l] An "advanced search" page for CirrusSearch?

I once tried doing something like that in js. But for the use case I was trying to do, it was very limited by a bug in Cirrus where you can't OR operators with incategory:. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?withJS=MediaWiki:Gadget-advanced-search.js See also

Re: [Wikitech-l] Technical expertise needed for Individual Engagement Grant proposals!

On 10/6/15, Chris Schilling wrote: > Hey folks, > > Applicants for the current round of Individual Engagement Grants (IEG) have > submitted many proposals that involve new tools, bot tasks, and other > technical elements. I’ve provided the list of these proposals and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Technical expertise needed for Individual Engagement Grant proposals!

nd as a grantee, I find that good-faith comments > help me to improve my proposal. > > Thanks for your interest in IEG! > > Pine > On Oct 6, 2015 8:05 PM, "Brian Wolff" <bawo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 10/6/15, Chris Schilling <cschill...@wikimedia.org&g

Re: [Wikitech-l] Saving MediaWiki:common.js

Did you check your php error log (And make sure that php error logging, particularly of fatal errors is enabled). Check also your web server error log (if php segfaults or something, it would show up there) -- -bawolff On 8/26/15, Legault, Phillip [ITSUS] plega...@its.jnj.com wrote: Yes it is

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Engineering] Code of conduct

On 8/26/15, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote: Le 23/08/2015 01:09, Brian Wolff a écrit : On 8/22/15, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: For example, MediaWiki is intentionally GPLv2, not GPLv3. MediaWiki

Re: [Wikitech-l] renaming Wikimedia domains

On 8/26/15, Jaime Crespo jcre...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Alex Monk kren...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure why database changes would be involved in a domain-only change? It should be simple enough to get the new domain set up in DNS and apache config, tell

Re: [Wikitech-l] Collaboration team reprioritization

> To better address the needs of our core contributors, we're now focusing > our strategy on the curation, collaboration, and admin processes that take > place on a variety of pages. Many of these processes use complex > workarounds -- templates, categories, transclusions, and lots of >

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