Re: [Wikitech-l] Please Welcome Sean Pringle, our latest TechOps member

2013-06-24 Thread Ryan Lane
Welcome Sean! On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Ct Woo ct...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi All, The Technical Operations team is pleased to announce Sean Pringle joined us today ( 24th June, 2013). Among his duties, Sean will be attending to all aspects of the database layer including management,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Introducing Wikimedia tech community metrics

2013-07-01 Thread Ryan Lane
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: We have a very early version of a community metrics dashboard! See the details below or jump directly to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/** Community_metrics http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Community_metrics Even if the main

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins

2013-07-19 Thread Ryan Lane
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:20 AM, C. Scott Ananian canan...@wikimedia.orgwrote: It might also be worth going a wikibase release (on its own schedule or else scheduled shortly after each MW release), that contains a particular MW version along with version of the extensions that have been

[Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins

2013-07-19 Thread Ryan Lane
I attempted to install Wikibase the other day and made a fun discovery. Installing it properly requires the following (12) extensions: WikibaseClient Wikibase DataModel WikibaseLib Wikibase Repository DataValues DataTypes ValueParsers ValueView ValueValidators ValueFormatters Diff Scribunto And

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins

2013-07-19 Thread Ryan Lane
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.comwrote: Hey, What if you want to use wikibase 1.23 and MyAbominationExtension 1.5 that requires an incompatible version of DataValues and MyAwesomeExtension 1.0 that requires an incompatible version of ValueView? If

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikitech-l Digest, Vol 120, Issue 54

2013-07-19 Thread Ryan Lane
extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins (Ryan Lane) 4. Re: Git config trick. (Tyler Romeo) 5. Re: MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins (Jeroen De Dauw) 6. Re: Git config trick. (Roan Kattouw

Re: [Wikitech-l] Goodbye gerrit-wm, welcome lolrrit-wm!

2013-07-19 Thread Ryan Lane
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com wrote: (The bot is temporarily being called lolrrit-wm instead of gerrit-wm until we get some issues fixed. lolrrit-wm is not a permanent nick for the bot!) Hello! The old gerrit-wm was a bunch of python scripts running as

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins

2013-07-20 Thread Ryan Lane
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 4:34 AM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.comwrote: Hey, you're adding in a whole new set of incompatibilities. How so? Extensions that use any of these extension libaries now depend on the version of MediaWiki and the version of the extension. That's a new set of

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins

2013-07-20 Thread Ryan Lane
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: In case of the components created for Wikidata, we have been supporting Composer for a while now, which is a great fit to our needs. We in this situation is Wikidata and not the developer community. In fact

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins

2013-07-21 Thread Ryan Lane
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.comwrote: What started this thread was Ryan having problems with installing Wikibase. And I can see why this would not be all that smooth. The components you need is probably not the biggest hassle. After all, you just need to

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki extensions as core-like libraries: MediaWiki's fun new landmine for admins

2013-07-22 Thread Ryan Lane
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: I assume Ryan didn't mean to single out the Wikidata development team. Other teams have done this as well -- the Translate extension depends on ULS, CodeEditor depends on WikiEditor, Semantic Result Formats

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

2013-07-22 Thread Ryan Lane
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:35 PM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.orgwrote: It would imply that this is a preference that Wikimedia thinks is appropriate. This would be a lie. For a similar example, see the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Unable to Create a gerrit account

2013-07-23 Thread Ryan Lane
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:13 PM, anubhav agarwal anubhav...@gmail.comwrote: I was following this tutorial https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Writing_an_extension_for_deploymentfor deploying an extension on MediaWiki. It asked me to create a labs/git/gerrit account. When I opened the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Announcement: Mark y Markus leading MediaWiki Release Management

2013-07-26 Thread Ryan Lane
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote: Full announcement on the blog: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/07/26/future-third-party-releases-mediawiki/ Today, the Wikimedia Foundation is pleased to announce that we have contracted with two long-time members of

Re: [Wikitech-l] no TLS 1.1 and 1.2 support

2013-07-29 Thread Ryan Lane
Seems we had the protocols listed explicitly (to disable SSL2) and TLS1.1/1.2 weren't available in the past when we were using Ubuntu 10.04. We've been on 12.04 for a while, but the protocol list wasn't updated. I'm pushing an updated config now. Thanks for letting us know! On Mon, Jul 29, 2013

Re: [Wikitech-l] no TLS 1.1 and 1.2 support

2013-07-29 Thread Ryan Lane
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:51 AM, C. Scott Ananian canan...@wikimedia.orgwrote: That ssllabs link also shows that wikimedia has RC4 encryption enabled on SSL connections, which offers no real security. This is apparently related to the TLS 1.0 -vs- TLS 1.1/1.2 issue:

Re: [Wikitech-l] no TLS 1.1 and 1.2 support

2013-07-29 Thread Ryan Lane
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Thomas Gries m...@tgries.de wrote: Am 29.07.2013 21:31, schrieb Ryan Lane: That ssllabs link also shows that wikimedia has RC4 encryption enabled on SSL connections, which offers no real security. This is apparently related to the TLS 1.0 -vs- TLS 1.1

Re: [Wikitech-l] no TLS 1.1 and 1.2 support

2013-07-29 Thread Ryan Lane
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:34 PM, C. Scott Ananian canan...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Au contraire: I think WMF has a responsibility to ensure the safety and security of its editors, who might be working on topics controversial in their home regions. Obviously, which is why our SSL security is

Re: [Wikitech-l] How's the SSL thing going?

2013-07-31 Thread Ryan Lane
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:06 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Oh - if anyone can authoritatively compose a WMF blog post on the state of the move to SSL (the move to logins and what happened there, the NSA slide, ongoing issues like browsers in China, etc), that would probably be a

Re: [Wikitech-l] How's the SSL thing going?

2013-07-31 Thread Ryan Lane
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Paul Selitskas p.selits...@gmail.comwrote: Can we enable full security mode (as an optional feature) geographically based on the most concerned governments, if the whole thing isn't going fast due to lack of resources? No. That's in fact much, much harder.

Re: [Wikitech-l] How's the SSL thing going?

2013-07-31 Thread Ryan Lane
On Wednesday, July 31, 2013, Ryan Lane wrote: On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:06 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'dger...@gmail.com'); wrote: Oh - if anyone can authoritatively compose a WMF blog post on the state of the move to SSL (the move to logins and what

Re: [Wikitech-l] How's the SSL thing going?

2013-07-31 Thread Ryan Lane
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:59 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: The second is site key security (ensuring the NSA never gets your private keys). Who theoretically has access to the private keys (and/or

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia's anti-surveillance plans: site hardening

2013-08-17 Thread Ryan Lane
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:59 PM, C. Scott Ananian canan...@wikimedia.org wrote: Because the other TLS 1.0 ciphers are *even worse*.

Re: [Wikitech-l] trace gitblit, was: Re: Wikimedia's anti-surveillance plans: site hardening

2013-08-17 Thread Ryan Lane
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 5:37 AM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 10:48 PM, bawolff bawolff...@gmail.com wrote: yes ken, you are right, lets stick to the issues at hand: (1) by when you will finally decide to invest the 10 minutes and properly trace the

Re: [Wikitech-l] HTTPS for logged in users on Wednesday August 21st

2013-08-19 Thread Ryan Lane
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 August 2013 20:35, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: Quick question: will the patch that was just merged regarding removing the Stay

Re: [Wikitech-l] HTTPS for logged in users on Wednesday August 21st

2013-08-19 Thread Ryan Lane
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 August 2013 21:09, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 August 2013 20:35, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5

Re: [Wikitech-l] HTTPS for logged in users on Wednesday August 21st

2013-08-20 Thread Ryan Lane
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:04 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Erik Moeller wrote: In general, though, I'd prefer for WMF to move away from what could be characterized as appeasement and towards actively resisting censorship and monitoring. I agree with you and I imagine most

Re: [Wikitech-l] Etherpad Lite labs instance going down in two weeks - backup time

2013-08-23 Thread Ryan Lane
We don't consider etherpad archive-worthy. It's always been considered an ephemeral service and we're not willing to put any effort into to save data from it. If you care about data that you've personally hosted in it, please put it somewhere that's meant to be archived. We don't have backups for

Re: [Wikitech-l] Etherpad Lite labs instance going down in two weeks - backup time

2013-08-26 Thread Ryan Lane
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: I already have been archiving my stuff from etherpad on wiki, of course, and I've never ever used etherpad.wmflabs.org because I knew everything in Labs can die any time, but this doesn't mean that I don't worry for

Re: [Wikitech-l] WMFs stance on non-GPL code

2013-08-26 Thread Ryan Lane
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Trevor Parscal tpars...@wikimedia.orgwrote: VisualEditor is MIT licensed. It was originally GPLv2 by default as per my contract with Wikimedia, but early on we got written permission from all authors to change it. We did this because we wanted to ensure

Re: [Wikitech-l] WMFs stance on non-GPL code

2013-08-28 Thread Ryan Lane
On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.comwrote: Hey, I'm curious what the stance of WMF is on BSD, MIT and MPL licensed code. In particular, could such code be deployed on WMF servers? Was this just grenade lobbing? You still haven't clarified your question,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Use of http:// urls in wikimedia wiki emails

2013-09-03 Thread Ryan Lane
If we switch the URLs to HTTPS we'll have issues with users in China and Iran and we can't really use geoip targeting for this like we are for log-in. On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:40 AM, billinghurst billinghu...@gmail.com wrote: Now that we push/force/encourage https:// connections, are we going

Re: [Wikitech-l] SSL security, part II.

2013-09-06 Thread Ryan Lane
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:08 PM, C. Scott Ananian canan...@wikimedia.orgwrote: New revelations on NSA capabilities yesterday in the New York Times: see https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/the_nsa_is_brea.html for a jumping off point. The bottom line seems to be: 1) don't use RC4

Re: [Wikitech-l] Persian Wikipedia stance on SSL

2013-09-10 Thread Ryan Lane
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.comwrote: I'm not talking about right now. Right now is okay (consensuses of the community because of availability of SSL of WMF projects since August 25 in Iran) to enable SSL as default like other countries and I'm asking to

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Labs-l] Wikimedia labs-tools

2013-09-11 Thread Ryan Lane
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.comwrote: There was a recent mail saying that Labs is not considered production stability. Mainly a disagreement about how many 9s in the 99.9% that represents. Indeed. I don't want to get into the debate about this

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Labs-l] Wikimedia labs-tools

2013-09-11 Thread Ryan Lane
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 7:50 AM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: tools.wmflabs.org is supposed to be the replacement for the toolserver which the wmf is basically forcefully shutting down. I started the migration several months ago but got fed up with the difficulties and stopped. In

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC]: Clean URLs- dropping /wiki/ and /w/index.php?title=..

2013-09-16 Thread Ryan Lane
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi, while tinkering with a RESTful content API I was reminded of an old pet peeve of mine: The URLs we use in Wikimedia projects are relatively long and ugly. I believe that we now have the ability to clean this up if

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC]: Clean URLs- dropping /wiki/ and /w/index.php?title=..

2013-09-16 Thread Ryan Lane
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 09/16/2013 03:25 PM, Ryan Lane wrote: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#URL_like_-_example.com.2FPage_title *Warning:* this method may create an unstable URL structure and leave some page

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wiki at Home Extension

2009-08-03 Thread Ryan Lane
? Maybe this is something that could be delivered via a gadget and enabled in user preferences? V/r, Ryan Lane ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Adding of JavaScript from extension not working properly on fresh wiki

2009-10-05 Thread Ryan Lane
page load. V/r, Ryan Lane [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extensions_FAQ#How_do_I_disable_caching_for_pages_using_my_extension.3F ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Interaction Testing Automation

2009-10-27 Thread Ryan Lane
. As for the tests, simple tests seem fairly easy to create, as you can use Selenium IDE to record actions, then output the script in a few different languages (I'm assuming we'll use PHP). I think the hardest part is going to be keeping the tests up to date with the code. Respectfully, Ryan Lane

Re: [Wikitech-l] RDFa and Microdata in MediaWiki

2010-01-18 Thread Ryan Lane
be really nice to have this be compatible. Respectfully, Ryan Lane ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] modernizing mediawiki

2010-03-02 Thread Ryan Lane
the Wikimedia foundation, and the core developers to be very welcoming of improvements to the software. Respectfully, Ryan Lane ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] modernizing mediawiki

2010-03-02 Thread Ryan Lane
Deki did? Deki is/was a fork of MediaWiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MindTouch_Deki Confluence is also a fairly heavily used enterprise wiki. Respectfully, Ryan Lane ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https

[Wikitech-l] Enterprise wikis (was modernizing mediawiki)

2010-03-02 Thread Ryan Lane
:). MediaWiki isn't really designed to be an enterprise wiki, but it works fairly well as one given enough effort. Installing Semantic MediaWiki and associated extensions gives it a clear advantage over most enterprise wikis IMO. Respectfully, Ryan Lane

Re: [Wikitech-l] Help with addition of a contacts database

2010-03-03 Thread Ryan Lane
Notice that if you use LDAP for this (which really is a good idea), you can pull the info into the wiki using the External Data extension: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:External_Data#.23get_ldap_data_-_retrieve_data_from_LDAP_directory On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Danese Cooper

Re: [Wikitech-l] Selenium tests

2010-03-12 Thread Ryan Lane
fruitful. Can we please move the discussion back to planning how this is going to work? Respectfully, Ryan Lane ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Selenium tests

2010-03-12 Thread Ryan Lane
. When selenium launches a browser, it does so using a clean profile. It launches a fresh browser from a new profile every test it runs. This shouldn't be an issue. Respectfully, Ryan Lane ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https

[Wikitech-l] ExternalAuth design

2010-03-24 Thread Ryan Lane
group name size increased in the schema (bug 11057) so that all external groups can be synced properly Respectfully, Ryan Lane ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] ExternalAuth design

2010-03-26 Thread Ryan Lane
cached, in a way. When a user is added to a group via $user-addGroup(), it gets added to the local database. As far as I know everything is stored locally for users, in some way. I treat the external database as something to be synced with, not as a real backing store. Respectfully, Ryan Lane

Re: [Wikitech-l] Selenium testing framework

2010-05-15 Thread Ryan Lane
in selenese scripts, not via a browser. http://grid.tesla.usability.wikimedia.org:/console in a browser will return the environments currently available for the selenese scripts. Note that some of those environments aren't currently functional as I work out bugs. Respectfully, Ryan Lane

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revisiting becoming an OpenID Provider

2010-05-27 Thread Ryan Lane
. Respectfully, Ryan Lane ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revisiting becoming an OpenID Provider

2010-05-27 Thread Ryan Lane
, Ryan Lane ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revisiting becoming an OpenID Provider

2010-05-27 Thread Ryan Lane
for lightweight applications that don't need to do actions on a user's behalf without direct interaction. Respectfully, Ryan Lane ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revisiting becoming an OpenID Provider

2010-05-27 Thread Ryan Lane
different things. Both would be nice to have. The following article gives a good idea of the differences: http://softwareas.com/oauth-openid-youre-barking-up-the-wrong-tree-if-you-think-theyre-the-same-thing Respectfully, Ryan Lane ___ Wikitech-l mailing

[Wikitech-l] Ideatorrent

2010-05-28 Thread Ryan Lane
we should handle moderation and/or admin rights, please let me know. Respectfully, Ryan Lane ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Mediawiki-l] Ideatorrent

2010-05-29 Thread Ryan Lane
. Thanks,    GerardM Odd, this only happens when creating an account with openid. I'll take a look at this. Thanks for the feedback. Respectfully, Ryan Lane ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Mediawiki-l] Ideatorrent

2010-05-29 Thread Ryan Lane
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, I created a profile on the torrent... I used my OpenID profile grin... The problem is that when I am logged in, I lose the sidebar

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Mediawiki-l] Ideatorrent

2010-05-29 Thread Ryan Lane
something out? Respectfully, Ryan Lane ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] OAuth

2012-03-13 Thread Ryan Lane
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:10 AM, John Erling Blad jeb...@gmail.com wrote: Exporting authentication from Mediawiki by OAuth is probably both acceptable and interesting, even if OAuth is said to give a rather weak security. It could be that people are a bit confused about OAuth vs OpenID. In

[Wikitech-l] Auto-created gerrit accounts for users that had enough info in USERINFO

2012-03-16 Thread Ryan Lane
I've ran a script to auto-create user accounts for users who had enough information in their USERINFO file (user name, svn account name, email address). If you are one of these lucky few (there were only 28 that didn't already have accounts), then you can follow these instructions to log in:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Auto-created gerrit accounts for users that had enough info in USERINFO

2012-03-17 Thread Ryan Lane
My user account on MediaWiki.org is 'SVG' and my user account on labsconsole.wikimedia.org is 'Tim Weyer'. Is it because I didn't tell https://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/USERINFO/cervidae my username? In general, it's a great working script. So, I was given a CSV and was asked to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Auto-created gerrit accounts for users that had enough info in USERINFO

2012-03-17 Thread Ryan Lane
[I know this isn't the first time USERINFO as a source for git migration has come up but I don't remember the past discussion; sorry if I'm covering old ground] We could just change hashar's script to use labs-name (new key) as Wiki username (with a fallback to name if there's no labs-name)

Re: [Wikitech-l] Video codecs and mobile

2012-03-19 Thread Ryan Lane
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: As some may know, we've restricted videos on Wikimedia sites to the freely-licensed Ogg Theora codec for some years, with some intention to support other non-patent-encumbered formats like WebM. One of our partners in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community managed production environment

2012-03-26 Thread Ryan Lane
We already started working on a new virtual cluster known as labs (wmflabs.org) which purpose is to allow people develop stuff and later move it to some production, some time ago. I believe it would be nice to have exactly same environment (probably we could just extend wmflabs for that)

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community managed production environment

2012-03-27 Thread Ryan Lane
version? The stable version would be better if it was more restricted. On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 5:36 AM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: We already started working on a new virtual cluster known as labs (wmflabs.org) which purpose is to allow people develop stuff and later move it to some

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit bots notification

2012-03-27 Thread Ryan Lane
It already supports sending to multiple channels. I can't go into details right now, but I'll follow up on this later with more info. On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 6:06 AM, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote: Le 27/03/12 21:10, Max Semenik a écrit : I think these notifications should be sent to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit slowness (was: Open git issues)

2012-03-31 Thread Ryan Lane
Part of the gerrit slowness is that the web server is in eqiad and its database is in pmtpa. We noticed some slowness of the interface when moving the gerrit service to a new server. That said, the new server handles the load much better, so overall it was worth the extra latency. We need to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Time to redirect to https by default?

2012-04-01 Thread Ryan Lane
TL;DR: we have no plans for anonymous HTTPS by default, but will eventually default to HTTPS for logged-in users. 1. It would require an ssl terminator on every frontend cache. The ssl terminators eat memory, which is also what the frontend caches do. 2. HTTPS dramatically increases latency,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Time to redirect to https by default?

2012-04-02 Thread Ryan Lane
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 02/04/12 06:14, Ryan Lane wrote: TL;DR: we have no plans for anonymous HTTPS by default, but will eventually default to HTTPS for logged-in users. 1. It would require an ssl terminator on every frontend cache

Re: [Wikitech-l] Time to redirect to https by default?

2012-04-02 Thread Ryan Lane
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: That's not what I wanted to say, I wanted to say https may cause troubles with caching, In fact some caching servers have problems with https since the header is encrypted as well, so they usually just forward the encrypted

Re: [Wikitech-l] Time to redirect to https by default?

2012-04-02 Thread Ryan Lane
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Tei oscar.vi...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps have a black list of countries that are know to break the privacy of communications, then make https default for logued users in these countries. This may help because:  - It only affect a subgroup of users (the ones

Re: [Wikitech-l] Time to redirect to https by default?

2012-04-02 Thread Ryan Lane
Indeed. Detecting a potential MITM is useless if you can't determine if it's real or not. For instance the switch from RapidSSL to DigiCert certificate was quite suspicious. I don't know how to best publicise it, though. I suppose we would list them somewhere like

Re: [Wikitech-l] Time to redirect to https by default?

2012-04-05 Thread Ryan Lane
Now there're users reporting in village pump that http://bits.wikimedia.org/ is blocked in China Mainland. Users visiting http://zh.wikipedia.org/ see unstyled pages without scripts while https://zh.wikipedia.org/ works fine. Tell them to use https then? Have them petition their Government

Re: [Wikitech-l] selenium browser testing proposal and prototype

2012-04-05 Thread Ryan Lane
We really need to start surveying real statistics on what programming languages community members know. I've seen this assertion waved around again and again, but don't see where it originates from, besides the very unreliable fact that we just don't talk much about ruby around here. I for

Re: [Wikitech-l] selenium browser testing proposal and prototype

2012-04-06 Thread Ryan Lane
We've already gone down the Ruby road once. I think a lot of the people involved with that would say it was a bad call, especially ops. Ruby at scale can certainly be a lulz engine, especially for those on the sidelines.  This project doesn't seem to place any software demands on the

Re: [Wikitech-l] selenium browser testing proposal and prototype

2012-04-06 Thread Ryan Lane
Ryan, I only ran into it recently. But look over bundler: http://gembundler.com/rationale.html If another situation where something needs gems without existing apt packages comes up it may be a helpful thing to have in your toolkit of solutions. Two useful things that bundler seems to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Too many random test wikis

2012-04-07 Thread Ryan Lane
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:28 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Now that 1.19 deploy has been completed, it seems a good idea to discuss about our test wikis. I see the following problems: * No inventory of test wikis exist. There are many and they don't follow any pattern or

Re: [Wikitech-l] Welcome Faidon Liambotis - our latest TechOps team member!

2012-04-09 Thread Ryan Lane
Great to have you with us. I'm excited for us to get some awesome work done in Labs! On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Ct Woo ct...@wikimedia.org wrote: Happy Monday. Please join me to welcome our latest member (contractor) to the Operations Engineering team, Faidon Liambotis.  Faidon hails

Re: [Wikitech-l] Daring to consider replacing gerrit (help write gareth)

2012-04-09 Thread Ryan Lane
Antoine's welcome to speak his mind freely, like anyone; there's no party line. I agree with him that we're unlikely to invest any significant effort in this unless it gains substantial traction and starts to look like a real alternative. But I don't think Daniel was asking for that -- he

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit bots notification

2012-04-13 Thread Ryan Lane
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: On 28/03/12 12:17, Antoine Musso wrote: Le 28/03/12 04:37, Ryan Lane a écrit : It already supports sending to multiple channels. I can't go into details right now, but I'll follow up on this later with more info

Re: [Wikitech-l] Request for Comments: Cross site data access for Wikidata

2012-04-23 Thread Ryan Lane
Why not just use a queue? We use the job queue for this right now for nearly the same purpose. The job queue isn't amazing, but it works. Maybe someone should replace this with a better system while they are at it? On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Daniel Kinzler dan...@brightbyte.de wrote: Hi

Re: [Wikitech-l] OAuth

2012-04-27 Thread Ryan Lane
Well, make sure to participate in the development of the system then! On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Daniel Friesen li...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: I still have the same stance on the topic as before: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/59502 I really

Re: [Wikitech-l] OAuth

2012-04-27 Thread Ryan Lane
sorry to drop in, just a question: why haven't you ever thought about implementing Extension:OpenID ? Well, this discussion is on OAuth. They do different things. - Ryan ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikitech-l] Announcing OATHAuth, an HMAC based One Time Password extension

2012-05-07 Thread Ryan Lane
See change: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/6883/ Faidon and I have been lamenting some security concerns on labsconsole and decided that two factor authentication could help. We quickly threw together an extension for HMAC based One Time Passwords (HOTP). If you've used two factor

Re: [Wikitech-l] The bugtracker problem, again

2012-05-14 Thread Ryan Lane
I don't think you'll ever find a finished bug-/issue-tracking solution that caters just as well for newbies and developers. The main reason is (of course?) that most issue tracking software is written for developers, by developers with little or no experience or thought as to what makes a good

Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

2012-06-04 Thread Ryan Lane
I heard that there was a plan to merge these wikis to one central wiki for technical documentation for various projects on wikimedia, what is the current status of that? Are we going to merge it to labsconsole, or to wikitech? There are some services atm running on labs and documentation is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

2012-06-04 Thread Ryan Lane
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: I'd be happy to help, however wikitech is restricted wiki, so I guess I can't really help there, anyway I think it would be best if current wikitech was kept for historical purposes, and in case we forgot to move something you

Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

2012-06-04 Thread Ryan Lane
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, if there is any stuff that can be done on wikitech like categorization of pages etc I could help with that, but otherwise I have no idea how I could be useful on that wiki, I have barely any knowledge of production. What

Re: [Wikitech-l] Give create gerrit repo right to all WMF engineers

2012-06-06 Thread Ryan Lane
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 4:09 AM, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote: On 2012-06-06 00:19, Diederik van Liere wrote: A workflow where engineers have to bug a Gerrit admin to do something is a broken workflow: As something of an outsider/newcomer, I hear two very different stories. The

Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

2012-06-07 Thread Ryan Lane
I'm not sure if it makes sense to have the Labs/OpenStack/Nova management interface on this same new wikitech wiki though. This means that all the community projects running inside labs will/might use this same wiki to document their internal structure - which can (and should be) a lot of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Merge of wikitech and labsconsole

2012-06-07 Thread Ryan Lane
Namespaces are usually a pain in the ass. Sj's post on the subject: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikimedia.orgdiff=365735 6oldid=3657294#Separating_the_wheat_from_the_chaff. From his post: ... but that would address many of the reasons that people fragment what are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-08 Thread Ryan Lane
I  have never said that moving to IPv6 is a bad idea.  What I am complaining about is the dismissive attitude taken toward the  volunteers that are stuck cleaning up the mess when Engineering decides to do something, apparently on the spur of the moment, without telling anyone outside their

Re: [Wikitech-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-08 Thread Ryan Lane
The problem was never IPv6. The problem was always about the unspoken expectation that everyone else would just drop everything else they have going on to patch up all the stuff that got broken as a result of this sudden change.  I get that this was an exciting step for the engineers who got

Re: [Wikitech-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-08 Thread Ryan Lane
Are the breakages on the site really that massive? We've been getting little to no reports of breakages. From what I understand, most of these breakages are in tools and scripts developed and operated by volunteer developers, not WMF developers.  The big one is Huggle, which on enwp is used

Re: [Wikitech-l] HTTPS Wikipedia search for Firefox?

2012-06-19 Thread Ryan Lane
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Chris Peterson cpeter...@mozilla.com wrote: hi, I'm a developer at Mozilla and I have a patch [1] that would switch Firefox's Wikipedia search box from HTTP to HTTPS. Who would be an appropriate technical contact at Wikimedia that I can coordinate with? Is

Re: [Wikitech-l] EtherEditor extension testing

2012-06-20 Thread Ryan Lane
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: Great, we've been needing something like this! Do you have a ballpark figure when you expect the data loss issues to be under control, and maybe have something for beta testing? Op 20 jun. 2012 02:33 schreef

[Wikitech-l] Do you hate the No nova credentials bug in labsconsole? I've fixed it, but am waiting on review.

2012-06-21 Thread Ryan Lane
It's fixed in: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12363 and: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/12361 Just needs review. - Ryan ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] bot activity in #mediawiki on freenode

2012-06-21 Thread Ryan Lane
The important thing to do is to make the bots channel +m, so only the bots can talk. Otherwise, development discussion will follow to the new channel and this is a bad thing. +1. Splitting devs way from support means support questions go unanswered by devs. As long as we aren't splitting

Re: [Wikitech-l] Suggestions for tasks for new contributors during hackathon

2012-06-21 Thread Ryan Lane
I'm especially interested in tasks where there's a lot of work to do -- that way, people can be given lots of hands-on things to do that can provide practice to help people be more comfortable with tools like git and gerrit, or more comfortable with the MediaWiki hooks, or where the task

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