Re: [Bug 9484] Program refuses to run because of ProtectCD/ ProtectDISC copy-protection

2008-03-24 Thread James Hawkins
On 3/24/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9484 --- Comment #9 from Austin English [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-03-24 12:43:54 --- Can anyone test this in wine 0.9.58? Some other copy protections are working better, and if this isn't working

Re: [Bug 9484] Program refuses to run because of ProtectCD/ ProtectDISC copy-protection

2008-03-24 Thread Austin English
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 12:51 PM, James Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/24/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9484 --- Comment #9 from Austin English [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-03-24 12:43:54 --- Can anyone test this in wine

Re: [Bug 9484] Program refuses to run because of ProtectCD/ ProtectDISC copy-protection

2008-03-24 Thread James Hawkins
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Austin English [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 12:51 PM, James Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/24/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9484 --- Comment #9 from Austin

Adding Bugzilla keyword for Copy-protection/Debugger issues

2007-11-29 Thread Ben Hodgetts (Enverex)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just a thought but it may be a good idea to add a keyword to Bugzilla for issues related to debuggers or copy-protection, that would help group them all together as at the moment there seem to be many bugs related to breakages from obscure debugger

Re: Adding Bugzilla keyword for Copy-protection/Debugger issues

2007-11-29 Thread Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes
On Thursday 29 November 2007 14:00:00 Ben Hodgetts (Enverex) wrote: Just a thought but it may be a good idea to add a keyword to Bugzilla for issues related to debuggers or copy-protection, that would help group them all together as at the moment there seem to be many bugs related to breakages

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-06 Thread Vincent Povirk
associated with it. If it doesn't (c: doesn't), then either don't allow it or simulate it. That easily covers both cases since copy protection would presumably work on c: and disk utilities would work with real disks. If it's really about what drives the program can see and not drive letters

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-06 Thread Tim Schmidt
trouble than it's worth then to make disk utilities run in Wine. It doesn't seem to be something a lot of people want to do. It's not something they should want to do if it's with disks that they care about. And, well, virtual machines are much more suited to this than Wine is. So if copy protection

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-06 Thread Kai Blin
On Friday 06 October 2006 10:19, Tim Schmidt wrote: Again, works for me. I believe the only part missing for this case is the simulation. Of course, there's the added possibility that apps will go mucking about with data other apps care about, in which case a per-executable simulated device

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-06 Thread Tim Schmidt
On 10/6/06, Kai Blin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 06 October 2006 10:19, Tim Schmidt wrote: Again, works for me. I believe the only part missing for this case is the simulation. Of course, there's the added possibility that apps will go mucking about with data other apps care about,

RE: Copy protection

2006-10-06 Thread Rolf Kalbermatter
Tim Schmidt wrote: Again, works for me. I believe the only part missing for this case is the simulation. Of course, there's the added possibility that apps will go mucking about with data other apps care about, in which case a per-executable simulated device would be best. Wouldn't such a

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-06 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
there is a bug in wine causing it to happen. The only way to fix this whole MBR issue, is to find an application with copy protection, and actually get it to work. We will then have 100% accurate data regarding what feature we would actually need in wine to allow these copy protected applications

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-05 Thread Christoph Frick
On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 07:10:41PM +0200, Kopfgeldjaeger wrote: 2. raw disk access normally requires root rights. It's very unlikely that Alexandre would permit anything which requires to run wine as root (even if those are only additional features) and its very unlikely, that a sane person

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-05 Thread Tim Schmidt
here is a class of applications that expect raw (or nearly-raw) disk access: - copy-protection that writes mysterious things to or near the MBR - various utility software (virus scanners, disk defragmenters, forensic tools, etc.) - other possibilities? Some of these tools - the forensic tools

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-05 Thread Martin Owens
It sounds like a general framework for routing these kind of raw disk i/o would be useful... probably configurable by app would be most useful. thoughts? I agree, a sandbox system where the 'litter box' (a sand box to put all your crap) would hold potentialy dangerous direct disk accesses to

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-05 Thread Mike McCormack
Tim Schmidt wrote: It sounds like a general framework for routing these kind of raw disk i/o would be useful... probably configurable by app would be most useful. UML has a COW (copy-on-write) layer [1]. If we had something like this, conceivable we could allow Wine to read raw disks (or

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-05 Thread Christoph Frick
On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 04:25:38AM -0400, Tim Schmidt wrote: What we're talking about here is a class of applications that expect raw (or nearly-raw) disk access: - copy-protection that writes mysterious things to or near the MBR - various utility software (virus scanners, disk

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-05 Thread Vassilis Virvilis
Mike McCormack wrote: Tim Schmidt wrote: It sounds like a general framework for routing these kind of raw disk i/o would be useful... probably configurable by app would be most useful. UML has a COW (copy-on-write) layer [1]. If we had something like this, conceivable we could allow

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-05 Thread Tim Schmidt
On 10/5/06, Mike McCormack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UML has a COW (copy-on-write) layer [1]. If we had something like this, conceivable we could allow Wine to read raw disks (or the COW file), then write back to the COW file. QEMU has nice support for several different COW and sparse

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-05 Thread Tim Schmidt
On 10/5/06, Christoph Frick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the #2 folks are proficient enough with their systems to know what they are doing. the #1 folks hope to get away from the world of #2 things they are forced on the windows world when they change to unix. Not nescessarily. I'm thinking

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-05 Thread Tim Schmidt
To clarify my thoughts, and throw this out there... Here's how I'm imagining this working: Assuming there's no problem intercepting the raw disk i/o attempts, the first time an app attempts a raw disk access, Wine can throw a popup (I know, I hate them too) with something like the following

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-05 Thread Jesse Allen
On 10/5/06, Vassilis Virvilis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a loopback device in linux? This is potentially already possible to do with wine. I use loopbacked CD images, so loopbacked MBR's should be easy enough, with no change to wine. Just set the device node link for the device to

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-04 Thread Tom Spear
On 10/3/06, Michael [Plouj] Ploujnikov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm by no means an expert on copyright law or copy protection, but I think that using any method other than writing directly to the MBR with those copy protection measures would be illegal because writing to a file (registry, wine

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-04 Thread Tom Spear
On 10/3/06, Martin Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/3/06, Michael [Plouj] Ploujnikov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm by no means an expert on copyright law or copy protection, but I think that using any method other than writing directly to the MBR with those copy protection measures would

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-04 Thread Jonathan Ernst
Le mardi 03 octobre 2006 à 15:51 -0500, Tom Spear a écrit : [...] I'm by no means an expert on copyright law or copy protection, but I think that using any method other than writing directly to the MBR with those copy protection measures would be illegal because writing to a file

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-04 Thread Martin Owens
Technically yes, but the difference is that VMware actually writes _everything_ into that one file vs wine proposing to write just what is written to the boot sector into a file.. The reason it is different, is because it is much more difficult (if not impossible) to tell what is boot sector and

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-04 Thread Christoph Frick
time, but it's just a thought. Anyone care to comment on that? what keeps some nosy haxx0r from looking in the MBR (or some blocks later) if he wants to find out about the copy protection? if they store data like this unprotected (e.g. crypting them) then this is just security-by-obscurity (which

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-04 Thread Tom Spear
On 10/4/06, Jonathan Ernst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le mardi 03 octobre 2006 à 15:51 -0500, Tom Spear a écrit :[...] I'm by no means an expert on copyright law or copy protection, but I think that using any method other than writing directly to the MBR with those copy protection measures would

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-04 Thread Christoph Frick
On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 04:09:51PM +0100, Martin Owens wrote: Anyone techinicaly adept could find the MBR, it's the 1st sector on the disk, this isn't about boot records but the MBR which is in a known place. I recon you could use linux tools on your windows hard drive to retrieve it easy.

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-04 Thread Stefan Dösinger
what keeps some nosy haxx0r from looking in the MBR (or some blocks later) if he wants to find out about the copy protection? if they store data like this unprotected (e.g. crypting them) then this is just security-by-obscurity (which is no security at all). Copy protection IS security

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-04 Thread Karsten Anderson
the user decide for himself :) On 10/4/06, Stefan Dösinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what keeps some nosy haxx0r from looking in the MBR (or some blocks later) if he wants to find out about the copy protection? if they store data like this unprotected (e.g. crypting them) then this is just security

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-04 Thread EA Durbin
What makes copy protection problematic to circumvent is not the math or the technical stuff, it is the laws protecting it :-( how does cedega do it?

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-04 Thread Darragh Bailey
Quoting EA Durbin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What makes copy protection problematic to circumvent is not the math or the technical stuff, it is the laws protecting it :-( how does cedega do it? They license the code for the copy protection detection from the likes of macrovision. -- Darragh

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-04 Thread Chris Robinson
On Wednesday 04 October 2006 09:25, Karsten Anderson wrote: why not just implement the write to MBR? The user running Wine more than likely won't have such write access to the disk. Only root would be able to do that, and running Wine as root is far from encouraged. Plus, fooling around with

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-04 Thread Kopfgeldjaeger
Hi, Karsten Anderson wrote: why not just implement the write to MBR? figure out how the copy protector does it and just implement it. as long as you know what you're doing and where the O/S stores its stuff you should be alright. put a few warnings on the instaeller and whatnot that this

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-04 Thread Michael [Plouj] Ploujnikov
Maybe someone from FSF could provide legal guidance on this issue. http://www.fsf.org/about/contact.html

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-04 Thread Jesse Allen
On 10/4/06, Karsten Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why not just implement the write to MBR? figure out how the copy protector does it and just implement it. as long as you know what you're doing and where the O/S stores its stuff you should be alright. put a few warnings on the instaeller

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-04 Thread Aaron Slunt
Jesse Allen wrote: Guys, Wine programs can write to the MBR already with correct permissions... http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4672 I hope nobody needs to explain why that's a very bad idea...

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-04 Thread Martin Owens
It's a very very bad idea, I don't understand why linux doesn't protect normal users corrupting the disk at byte level that just seems really bad for security. On 10/4/06, Aaron Slunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesse Allen wrote: Guys, Wine programs can write to the MBR already with correct

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-04 Thread David Laight
On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 09:41:16AM -0500, Tom Spear wrote: I agree that we shouldn't write to the MBR, but I definitely think that we should get some legal guidance before we proceed with writing anything to a file (in this case), because If it isn't a silly question, which part of the mbr

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-04 Thread H. Verbeet
On 04/10/06, Jesse Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, Wine programs can write to the MBR already with correct permissions... I think that should read with wrong permissions :-)

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-04 Thread Jonathan Ernst
Le mercredi 04 octobre 2006 à 21:14 +0100, Martin Owens a écrit : It's a very very bad idea, I don't understand why linux doesn't protect normal users corrupting the disk at byte level that just seems really bad for security. Every distro does AFAIK. However if people mess with their user's

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-04 Thread Jesse Allen
On 10/4/06, H. Verbeet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 04/10/06, Jesse Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, Wine programs can write to the MBR already with correct permissions... I think that should read with wrong permissions :-) Yes, very wrong from a security standpoint :P

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-03 Thread Robert Lunnon
for the kinds of work the Wine devs need to do. --tim Part 3 Applies, however it could be read as being permissible for the purpose of implementing a compatible interface. IE for the purpose of making the copy protection work under Wine. I think it would be much safer to make the protection

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-03 Thread Robert Lunnon
On Tuesday 03 October 2006 02:18, James Courtier-Dutton wrote: Martin Owens wrote: Re Copy Protection. be quite hard to make this work I think? It would be quite dangerous to make this work. What about creating a file say with a fake data map, wine thinks it's the direct access

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-03 Thread Tim Schmidt
On 10/3/06, Robert Lunnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Part 3 Applies, however it could be read as being permissible for the purpose of implementing a compatible interface. IE for the purpose of making the copy protection work under Wine. I think it would be much safer to make the protection work

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-03 Thread Tom Spear
On 10/3/06, Robert Lunnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 03 October 2006 02:18, James Courtier-Dutton wrote: Martin Owens wrote: Re Copy Protection. be quite hard to make this work I think? It would be quite dangerous to make this work. What about creating a file say with a fake data

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-03 Thread Wojciech 'arab' Arabczyk
Hello Sure there are tools out there that crackers use that read the mbr and store it in a file, so that they can circumvent the copy protection, but that has nothing to do with wine. IANAL but curcumventing for personal use using generic tools (wich wine is) and with no bad intentions can't

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-03 Thread Michael [Plouj] Ploujnikov
I'm by no means an expert on copyright law or copy protection, but I think that using any method other than writing directly to the MBR with those copy protection measures would be illegal because writing to a file (registry, wine-only proprietary db or any other type of file) as opposed

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-03 Thread Martin Owens
On 10/3/06, Michael [Plouj] Ploujnikov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm by no means an expert on copyright law or copy protection, but I think that using any method other than writing directly to the MBR with those copy protection measures would be illegal because writing to a file (registry

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-02 Thread Willie Sippel
Am Montag, 2. Oktober 2006 04:49 schrieb Vitaliy Margolen: EA Durbin wrote: So the short story is that copy protection support is the gating issue here, and it's a serious PITA. What specifically keeps most copy protection from working with wine? Why does it work in some applications

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-02 Thread Martin Owens
Re Copy Protection. be quite hard to make this work I think? It would be quite dangerous to make this work. What about creating a file say with a fake data map, wine thinks it's the direct access to the hard drive where all this information is held. all we do is add the place where the data

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-02 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
Martin Owens wrote: Re Copy Protection. be quite hard to make this work I think? It would be quite dangerous to make this work. What about creating a file say with a fake data map, wine thinks it's the direct access to the hard drive where all this information is held. all we do is add

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-02 Thread Tim Schmidt
On 10/2/06, James Courtier-Dutton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The easiest way round this is to simply recognise the executable with the copy protection, and simply install a hook to catch the appropriate file system or registry calls and divert them to a special handling routine to satisfy

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-02 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 05:18:57PM +0100, James Courtier-Dutton wrote: Martin Owens wrote: Re Copy Protection. be quite hard to make this work I think? It would be quite dangerous to make this work. What about creating a file say with a fake data map, wine thinks it's the direct access

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-02 Thread Tim Schmidt
On 10/2/06, Marcus Meissner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We can't, this kind of circumvention is likely to be illegal in the US. The relevant portion of the DMCA reads as follows: (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c105:6:./temp/~c105bzNC4v:e11559:) `(2) No person shall manufacture,

Copy protection

2006-10-01 Thread EA Durbin
So the short story is that copy protection support is the gating issue here, and it's a serious PITA. What specifically keeps most copy protection from working with wine? Why does it work in some applications, such as Star Wars Jedi Academy and not others?

Re: Copy protection

2006-10-01 Thread Vitaliy Margolen
EA Durbin wrote: So the short story is that copy protection support is the gating issue here, and it's a serious PITA. What specifically keeps most copy protection from working with wine? Why does it work in some applications, such as Star Wars Jedi Academy and not others

Re: HAL and Copy Protection

2006-08-07 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 02:32:23PM -0700, Jesse Allen wrote: On 8/6/06, Marcus Meissner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 11:25:12AM -0700, Jesse Allen wrote: Does anyone have HAL and SecuRom copy protection working? I'm starting to get support questions with people using HAL

Re: HAL and Copy Protection

2006-08-07 Thread Jesse Allen
On 8/7/06, Marcus Meissner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HAL should be of no importance here, there will be no visible difference to static CDROM configuration. Otherwise, no clue. Ciao, Marcus I'm going to try setting up ubuntu with HAL on a spare machine and see what it does. I use slack and

Re: HAL and Copy Protection

2006-08-07 Thread Jesse Allen
traced to be a cause of a problem with copy protection before when using wine compiled with it. You could be right that HAL has nothing to do it. I will check it all out when I get that version of GCC running too. Jesse

Re: HAL and Copy Protection

2006-08-07 Thread Jesse Allen
Ok, I just verified that HAL works perfectly fine for what we want. In fact, it does make thing easier for people as you don't have to mess with those device symlinks :) I don't suspect anything wrong with GCC 4.xx now, as I think the ubuntu package is compiled with 4.0.3. I think the report on

Re: HAL and Copy Protection

2006-08-06 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 11:25:12AM -0700, Jesse Allen wrote: Does anyone have HAL and SecuRom copy protection working? I'm starting to get support questions with people using HAL and I'm not sure how to help them. I need information now that HAL support is in Wine on whether SecuRom works

HAL and Copy Protection

2006-08-01 Thread Jesse Allen
Does anyone have HAL and SecuRom copy protection working? I'm starting to get support questions with people using HAL and I'm not sure how to help them. I need information now that HAL support is in Wine on whether SecuRom works with it and how to get it to work as I don't have HAL. Jesse

Re: HAL and Copy Protection

2006-08-01 Thread Jesse Allen
On 8/1/06, Martin Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the important part is not that HAL supports SecuRom (which it won't IMHO) but if wine can use the direct access to the hardware in order to allow securom to work through wine. Yes, that is correct. However I'm not sure if Wine interprets the

Re: HAL and Copy Protection

2006-08-01 Thread Jesse Allen
On 8/1/06, Jesse Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/1/06, Martin Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the important part is not that HAL supports SecuRom (which it won't IMHO) but if wine can use the direct access to the hardware in order to allow securom to work through wine. Yes, that is

Re: Copy Protection WINE

2005-06-02 Thread Ivan Leo Puoti
Jonathan Wilson wrote: From what I understand, there are 3 ways to do copy protection in WINE (at least for copy protection that needs a kernel driver to work): 1.Implement a WINE implementation of that kernel driver (in the same way various stock windows kernel drivers have been implemented

Copy Protection WINE

2005-06-01 Thread Jonathan Wilson
From what I understand, there are 3 ways to do copy protection in WINE (at least for copy protection that needs a kernel driver to work): 1.Implement a WINE implementation of that kernel driver (in the same way various stock windows kernel drivers have been implemented). Problem

Re: Copy Protection

2005-04-24 Thread Ivan Leo Puoti
Dustin Navea wrote: Guys, bug 2895 got me thinkin.. If we only support a handful of games that use copy protection, shouldnt we file a bug in Bugzilla and append that to 1434 (Get games working perfectly)? That way we can attach any copy protection related bugs to this metabug? Yes I think

Copy Protection

2005-04-23 Thread Dustin Navea
Guys, bug 2895 got me thinkin.. If we only support a handful of games that use copy protection, shouldnt we file a bug in Bugzilla and append that to 1434 (Get games working perfectly)? That way we can attach any copy protection related bugs to this metabug? If you are agreeable

Re: Warcraft 3 Copy Protection (regression?)

2004-10-10 Thread Brian Gunlogson
, or because I'd just upgraded to a 2.6 kernel, or because of the Wine version (20040309), but having upgraded Wine to 20040505 it no longer works. Some work was done to load the copy protection drivers, it would be very nice to get this working again. Can you try wine-20040408 to see if it works

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-10 Thread Raphaël Junqueira
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, Le Lundi 10 Novembre 2003 08:11, Marcus Meissner a écrit : On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 07:46:58PM +0100, Lionel Ulmer wrote: On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 10:32:02AM +, Mike Hearn wrote: Lionel, could QEMU be used here? I guess the driver

RE: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-10 Thread Robert Shearman
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Raphaël Junqueira Sent: 10 November 2003 08:05 To: Lionel Ulmer; Marcus Meissner Cc: Alexandre Julliard; Wine Devel Subject: Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE? Well

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-10 Thread Raphaël Junqueira
: Alexandre Julliard; Wine Devel Subject: Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE? Well it's not really easy as the NT_HEADER only declare: Characteristics: 0306 EXECUTABLE_IMAGE LINE_NUMS_STRIPPED 32BIT_MACHINE DEBUG_STRIPPED So

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-10 Thread Jan Kratochvil
Hi, On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:19:45 +0100, Raphal Junqueira wrote: ... BTW, I have got as far with loading secdrv.sys as crashing on unimplemented IoCreateDevice. I believe the Io* functions will be the biggest problems. It is no problem loading it and initializing it by Captive NTFS for

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-10 Thread Troy Rollo
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:00, Shachar Shemesh wrote: I don't get it. As far as I understand, so long as the code in the Wine archives does not allow running copied discs, we are not violating the DMCA. If someone else takes Wine code and modifies it, that's where the DMCA violation happens. I

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-10 Thread Troy Rollo
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 05:59, Alexandre Julliard wrote: The DMCA does not require copyright violation, what is illegal is circumventing the protection measure, it doesn't really matter if the replacement code has the same functionality or not. Decryption is a different matter - that's banned

Re: [ros-general] Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-10 Thread KJK::Hyperion
At 18.17 09/11/2003, Steven Edwards wrote: The problem is how emulate windows kernel internal behavior (ie assembly tips as NtCurrentTeb) We have been looking in to loading this driver under ReactOS and all of the functions are implemented but it still returns STATUS_UNSUCESSFULL. I think that

Re: [ros-general] Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-10 Thread KJK::Hyperion
At 02.11 11/11/2003, Steven Edwards wrote: Further run fails for Captive as 'secdrv.sys' is somehow broken driver as it does not provide any way to mount a filesystem. :-? secdrv isn't a filesystem, nor a volume driver. Filesystems and volume drivers, in Windows NT, are special, and secdrv is

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-07 Thread Mike Hearn
for drivers. There is prior art in this area, it could be done, but might be an awful lot of work. * Maybe use QEMU to allow the driver to be run in a VM. Even if we can't invoke code directly here, RPC shims would work, I doubt a copy protection driver has high throughput requirements. Alexandre - do

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-06 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Geoff Thorpe wrote: On November 5, 2003 01:00 am, Jonathan Wilson wrote: Basicly as long as our code: A.cant run copied safedisk disks (perfect copies and no-cd cracks aside) and B.cant be modified to run copied safedisk disks (e.g. by disabling some parts of the WINE code that performed

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-06 Thread Alexandre Julliard
values is not circumventing part of the copy protection, even if the resulting behavior is identical to the original. OTOH you can make a pretty good case that a generic Windows driver loader is not circumventing anything, it's just doing what any Windows replacement is supposed to do. If this becomes

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-06 Thread Shachar Shemesh
running, there can be no problem. I think you would have a hard time convincing someone that a dummy driver that returns magic values is not circumventing part of the copy protection, even if the resulting behavior is identical to the original. If the resulting behaviour is that copied CDs don't work

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-06 Thread Alexandre Julliard
Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If the code in Wine still doesn't allow unprotected CDs from running, there can be no problem. No, it's not that simple. By providing a replacement driver, you are circumventing a technical measure controlling access to the work. The fact is that

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-06 Thread Geoff Thorpe
have a hard time convincing someone that a dummy driver that returns magic values is not circumventing part of the copy protection, even if the resulting behavior is identical to the original. If the resulting behaviour is that copied CDs don't work, while original ones do

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-06 Thread Gregory M. Turner
On Thursday 06 November 2003 03:31 pm, Geoff Thorpe wrote: War crime tribunals, environmental protection treaties, privacy legislation, ... the ability to let chilling effects meet little or no significant organised obstacle has become the trademark of a certain breed of freedom-loving people.

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-06 Thread Alexandre Julliard
Ann and Jason Edmeades [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Ever had the feeling you regret asking a question...] Possibly another question for Alexander then - Realistically do you believe that we can ever support copy protection, and if so how? I definitely think we can support it yes. It's just

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-06 Thread Ivan Leo Murray-Smith
I don't get it. As far as I understand, so long as the code in the Wine archives does not allow running copied discs, we are not violating the DMCA. If someone else takes Wine code and modifies it, that's where the DMCA violation happens. Right, I think a lot of people would be happy to host

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-05 Thread Jonathan Wilson
of secdrv.sys is to allow access to areas in kernel mode not normally accessable to userland code, more specificly, its used to check certain things for the presense of a kernel level debugger (e.g. SoftIce). The actual copy protection code is (as far as I know, correct me if I am wrong) contained

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-05 Thread Carlos Lozano
El mié, 05 de nov de 2003, a las 00:50, Raphaël Junqueira escribio: Alexandre, is there any chance of this code *ever* being excepted into the wine tree? None whatsoever, the driver reimplementation is clearly a DMCA violation. The proper way to do that is to somehow load the driver

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-05 Thread Robert Shearman
On Wednesday 05 November 2003 6:00 am, you wrote: None whatsoever, the driver reimplementation is clearly a DMCA violation. The proper way to do that is to somehow load the driver and let it perform all the checks it wants to perform; a dummy driver that returns magic values to bypass

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-05 Thread Geoff Thorpe
violation in Wine, the O/S kernel, or requiring the copying of a closed-source driver that *itself* is irreplacable (choosing to load it from Wine and say don't edit this Wine code to circumvent the commercial driver in a C comment won't jive). Perhaps I've misunderstood something about the copy

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-04 Thread Tom
Zsolt Rizsanyi wrote: So this is what I think that the status of copy protection is. If I'm wrong somewhere then please correct me. Hi, Yea I think your correct.. here is his post... http://www.winehq.com/hypermail/wine-patches/2002/04/0194.html And our last exchange: Zsolt http

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-04 Thread Ivan Leo Murray-Smith
but this brings fort the legal issues. If the re-implemented driver only allows the user to play the game, and not to make a perfect copy of the CD, there is no legal issue.

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-04 Thread Mike Hearn
. There are no laws against cracking copy protection unless you're in the states and it's got encryption. Now, pirating stuff *after* you broke the protection is illegal of course, but we have nothing to do with that, and besides, in practice I doubt it'd help anybody who did want to pirate stuff.

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-04 Thread Carlos Lozano
El mar, 04 de nov de 2003, a las 16:13, Ivan Leo Murray-Smith escribio: but this brings fort the legal issues. If the re-implemented driver only allows the user to play the game, and not to make a perfect copy of the CD, there is no legal issue. I think that the actual status is even worse,

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-04 Thread Roderick Colenbrander
It might be possible to reverse engineer the current safedisc 1 and 2 protections and include the code in wine. The problem is that the new version (a snapshot of it was used at the time in flashpoint) is less nice. Nowadays when you for example use a crack the game works or doesn't work. The new

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-04 Thread Alexandre Julliard
Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alexandre, is there any chance of this code *ever* being excepted into the wine tree? None whatsoever, the driver reimplementation is clearly a DMCA violation. The proper way to do that is to somehow load the driver and let it perform all the checks it wants to

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-04 Thread Raphaël Junqueira
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le Tuesday 04 November 2003 23:07, Alexandre Julliard a écrit : Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alexandre, is there any chance of this code *ever* being excepted into the wine tree? None whatsoever, the driver reimplementation is clearly a

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-04 Thread Steven Edwards
--- Roderick Colenbrander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps the solution is to write a wrapper to load secdrv.sys and friends. Perhaps in a way like that ntfs emulation project works (it uses a reactos kernel) or perhaps using an emulator like qemu. Yes it should be possibe to adapt the work

Re: copy protection - was: Re: Is it time for playing games on WINE?

2003-11-04 Thread Ivan Leo Murray-Smith
When you play using an incorrect crack the game will slowly become unplayable. Like this we can be sure that the reimplemented driver is perfect or a bit buggy. Also, some people may prefer the idea of a open source safe disc driver more that the idea of loading the proprietary one.

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