Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-15 Thread Jesse Allen
Whoever it is that is wanting to update the HOWTO for the Diablo 2 appdb please email me. I don't have my email address on there for nothing. For whatever reason, I can't see who changes things nor does the appdb email me on changes anymore. Quote from new HOWTO note. THIS IS A DUPLICATE ENTRY.

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-06 Thread Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes
Fredag 05 januar 2007 09:33, skrev Kari Hurtta: Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: Onsdag 03 januar 2007 21:46, skrev Kari Hurtta: Chris Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: On 03 Jan 2007 16:34:21

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-06 Thread Kari Hurtta
Kari Hurtta [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: Onsdag 03 januar 2007 21:46, skrev Kari Hurtta: Chris Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel:

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-06 Thread Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes
Lørdag 06 januar 2007 00:28, skrev Kari Hurtta: Kari Hurtta [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: Onsdag 03 januar 2007 21:46, skrev Kari Hurtta: Chris Morgan [EMAIL

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-06 Thread Tony Lambregts
Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes wrote: Lørdag 06 januar 2007 00:28, skrev Kari Hurtta: Kari Hurtta [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: Onsdag 03 januar 2007 21:46, skrev Kari

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-05 Thread Remco
What about a checklist of problems it doesn't have, and basing the rating on that. Something like: Installation: (_) Installs correctly. (_) No installation nessecary to run. (_) Preinstalled on Windows. (x) Doesn't install. [_] Works without an unofficially patched Wine. [_] Works without a

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-05 Thread Kari Hurtta
Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: Onsdag 03 januar 2007 21:46, skrev Kari Hurtta: Chris Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: On 03 Jan 2007 16:34:21 +0200, Kari Hurtta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-05 Thread Vitaliy Margolen
Dan Kegel wrote: The appdb says Only applications which install and run flawlessly on an out-of-the-box Wine installation make it to the Platinum list But several platinum-rated apps seem to deserve a silver or bronze rating. I think what we should have is: [Platinum] Entire program runs

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-04 Thread Francois Gouget
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Dan Kegel wrote: [...] Silver Application installs and works well for 'normal' use, but some features may be broken. For instance, a game that works fine in single-player but not in multi-player, or a media player that works fine for mp3 files but not for DRM-protected

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-04 Thread Kari Hurtta
Chris Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: On 03 Jan 2007 16:34:21 +0200, Kari Hurtta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Kegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: The appdb says Only applications which install and run flawlessly on an

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-04 Thread Kari Hurtta
Tony Lambregts [ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] Kari Hurtta wrote: Dan Kegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: This App is definately not platinum. It does not run flawlessly out of the box. I changed the maintainer rating to gold Good. Now it

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-04 Thread Chris Morgan
On 03 Jan 2007 22:46:31 +0200, Kari Hurtta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: On 03 Jan 2007 16:34:21 +0200, Kari Hurtta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Kegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: The

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-04 Thread Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes
Onsdag 03 januar 2007 21:46, skrev Kari Hurtta: Chris Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: On 03 Jan 2007 16:34:21 +0200, Kari Hurtta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Kegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: The appdb says Only

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-04 Thread Ben Hodgetts (Enverex)
Chris Morgan wrote: On 03 Jan 2007 22:46:31 +0200, Kari Hurtta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: On 03 Jan 2007 16:34:21 +0200, Kari Hurtta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Kegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-04 Thread Dan Kegel
Chris wrote: Perhapsappdb should check that Installs? and Runs? column on particular test have Yes, before it accept Platinum to Rating column ? Exactly, we need some logic to ensure ratings are correct. I think the fundamental change is that we should remove maintainer ratings

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Ben Hodgetts (Enverex)
Frank Richter wrote: On 03.01.2007 04:00, Dan Kegel wrote: No manual editing of files, no winecfg settings, no native DLLs, no third-party install scripts, and no cracks are allowed for a Platinum rating. Giving a set of points may lead to some people think hey to run MyApplication I just

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Jan Zerebecki
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 07:00:20PM -0800, Dan Kegel wrote: I'd like to change this to make it clear that cracks are a no-no for anything Silver and above, and make Platinum and Gold rather more rigorous: I don't think that is helpful. What is more important: to know that it works only with

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Ivan Gyurdiev
Jan Zerebecki wrote: On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 07:00:20PM -0800, Dan Kegel wrote: I'd like to change this to make it clear that cracks are a no-no for anything Silver and above, and make Platinum and Gold rather more rigorous: I don't think that is helpful. What is more important: to

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes
Onsdag 03 januar 2007 04:00, skrev Dan Kegel: As Chris Morgan pointed out, http://appdb.winehq.org/help/?sTopic=maintainer_ratings might need clarification. It now says -- snip -- Platinum An application can be rated as Platinum if it installs and runs out of the box No changes required

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Kai Blin
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 17:17, Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes wrote: If we are indeed to make further changes, I suggest that we allow a few cosmetic errors in the Gold and Platinum ratings, but leave them otherwise unchanged, then add a new 'ultimate' rating that allows no changes or flaws.

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Dan Kegel
I dislike the idea of adding even more rating levels (diamond, etc.); that just adds to confusion. Also, I am dismayed that some people think cracks are OK. They're illegal, last time I checked, and I don't think winehq should advocate their use. How about this: I hear that Alexandre is going

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Dan Kegel
I dislike the idea of adding even more rating levels (diamond, etc.); that just adds to confusion. Also, I am dismayed that some people think cracks are OK. They're illegal, last time I checked, and I don't think winehq should advocate their use. How about this: I hear that Alexandre is going

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Ben Hodgetts (Enverex)
Dan Kegel wrote: Also, I am dismayed that some people think cracks are OK. They're illegal, last time I checked, and I don't think winehq should advocate their use. I've never heard anything about them being illegal over here (which means even if they are it's one of those retarded laws that

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Jeremy White
Dan Kegel wrote: I dislike the idea of adding even more rating levels (diamond, etc.); that just adds to confusion. I agree. I also think that most Wine enthusiasts are on crack when it comes to ratings. The fact that an app works well for *my purposes* does *not* make it Gold in my not so

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Kari Hurtta
Dan Kegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: The appdb says Only applications which install and run flawlessly on an out-of-the-box Wine installation make it to the Platinum list Yes. Also on front page http://appdb.winehq.org/ on first item: The Top-10 Platinum

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes
Onsdag 03 januar 2007 19:08, skrev Dan Kegel: I dislike the idea of adding even more rating levels (diamond, etc.); that just adds to confusion. Also, I am dismayed that some people think cracks are OK. They're illegal, last time I checked, and I don't think winehq should advocate their

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Chris Morgan
On 03 Jan 2007 16:34:21 +0200, Kari Hurtta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Kegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: The appdb says Only applications which install and run flawlessly on an out-of-the-box Wine installation make it to the Platinum list Yes. Also on

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Kai Blin
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 19:37, Jeremy White wrote: If multiplayer support is broken, how on earth can a game be considered anything but bronze? A huge chunk of the functionality is missing! I'd still hold that this depends on the game. Anyway, you're right in principle. What I'd like

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Louis Lenders
Frank Richter frank.richter at gmail.com writes: On 03.01.2007 04:00, Dan Kegel wrote: No manual editing of files, no winecfg settings, no native DLLs, no third-party install scripts, and no cracks are allowed for a Platinum rating. Well, if you look at the submissions in the appb ,

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Dan Kegel
Alexander Sørnes wrote: Also, I am dismayed that some people think cracks are OK. They're illegal, last time I checked, and I don't think winehq should advocate their use. They might be illegal in the US, but that doesn't mean they are illegal in other countries. Nevertheless, they are

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Dan Kegel
Louis wrote: IMHO it's far more important to have a good written HOWTO, than a rating. I'd say a rating like satisfying/not satisfying would be enough, and an application shouldn't have rating without a HOWTO. You really expect people to have to read HOWTOs? Windows users certainly don't

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread EA Durbin
You really expect people to have to read HOWTOs? Windows users certainly don't expect to, why should Wine users? Agreed, we can't attract a serious user base and offer it as a viable alternative to Windows if it requires a howto to get working. It should just work. Windows users trying out

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Vitaliy Margolen
Dan Kegel wrote: Ratings can be quite useful for helping people find good apps; a gold rating should imply doesn't need a HOWTO because it pretty much just works. Any app that needs a HOWTO is probably running into wine bugs of some sort. You keep forgetting that unlike windows Linux has

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Tony Lambregts
Dan Kegel wrote: First off I think that the AppDB is for users. It is meant to help them run their programs and the rating system is meant to help people know how well that program can be made to run I dislike the idea of adding even more rating levels (diamond, etc.); that just adds to

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Dan Kegel
On 1/3/07, Tony Lambregts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off I think that the AppDB is for users. It is meant to help them run their programs and the rating system is meant to help people know how well that program can be made to run Yes, absolutely. No-CD cracks are not in themselves

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-03 Thread Tony Lambregts
Kari Hurtta wrote: Dan Kegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes in gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel: The appdb says Only applications which install and run flawlessly on an out-of-the-box Wine installation make it to the Platinum list Yes. Also on front page http://appdb.winehq.org/ on first item:

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-02 Thread Dan Kegel
As Chris Morgan pointed out, http://appdb.winehq.org/help/?sTopic=maintainer_ratings might need clarification. It now says -- snip -- Platinum An application can be rated as Platinum if it installs and runs out of the box No changes required to winecfg. Gold Application works flawlessly with

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-02 Thread * *
On 1/2/07, Dan Kegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Chris Morgan pointed out, http://appdb.winehq.org/help/?sTopic=maintainer_ratings might need clarification. It now says -- snip -- Platinum An application can be rated as Platinum if it installs and runs out of the box No changes required to

Re: appdb rating inflation

2007-01-02 Thread Frank Richter
On 03.01.2007 04:00, Dan Kegel wrote: No manual editing of files, no winecfg settings, no native DLLs, no third-party install scripts, and no cracks are allowed for a Platinum rating. Giving a set of points may lead to some people think hey to run MyApplication I just have to some obscure

appdb rating inflation

2006-12-31 Thread Dan Kegel
The appdb says Only applications which install and run flawlessly on an out-of-the-box Wine installation make it to the Platinum list But several platinum-rated apps seem to deserve a silver or bronze rating. For instance, Call to Duty, http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=3603 has all

Re: appdb rating inflation

2006-12-31 Thread Enverex
Dan Kegel wrote: The appdb says Only applications which install and run flawlessly on an out-of-the-box Wine installation make it to the Platinum list But several platinum-rated apps seem to deserve a silver or bronze rating. For instance, Call to Duty,

Re: appdb rating inflation

2006-12-31 Thread Chris Morgan
On 12/31/06, Dan Kegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The appdb says Only applications which install and run flawlessly on an out-of-the-box Wine installation make it to the Platinum list But several platinum-rated apps seem to deserve a silver or bronze rating. For instance, Call to Duty,